And throw a fit if you suggest they create something original instead of “updating for a modern audience” the works of better men. When Emilia Clarke made her comic book I remember Eric July was critical of her for the whole “I didn’t feel welcome in the comic book store as a girl” routine but I could at least respect that she made an original comic.
Amazon could’ve easily hired writers to make some garbage work fantasy but they are too lazy
A lot of IPs already have their own black characters that are original but the problem is they always flop.
Icon was to be the black Superman. He was created by DC and to be fair they carried him for a while before dumping him quietly. He was 100% for the blacks to have an original contender in the DCU along with top tier heavy hitters like Superman and Batman.
The problem was, the black community wasn't interested. They tried this again with Steel. Then they were pushing for a Michael B Jordan superman casting.
They only get interested when it's an established IP that gets color swapped and gifted to them. Build them anything else and they reject it. It's not about them having something to be proud of, it's about being proud of having taken it away from you.
I was going to go there too. Black characters are mostly horribly written. They're not just unrealistic, they're anti-realistic, even when written by the current SJW Marvel writers who claim to understand them.
Hancock was the most realistic black superhero ever written, a violent alcoholic hobo who is more of a nuisance than a savior. Played by Will Smith, the only Oscar winner/nominee to ever assault someone at the Oscars.
Yea the whole “taking something away” is such an immature thing. You see that with feminists when they gender swap. I have some Icon and Steel comics and I like those characters but they weren’t all that popular. I like Hal Jordan and Jon Stewart Lanterns and the Justice League helped make him more popular. I got into Steel because of his connection to Superman which is my favorite superhero along with Spidey as well as his backstory
Some also believe that you should support a character simply because they are black which is idiotic. There have been a lot of bad white characters. Supporting a terrible character because of skin color is moronic and it’s a terrible reason to create a character. Look here I’d a black character now go buy comics based on that alone. Superman, Batman, Spider-Man have stood the test of time for a reason. I wouldn’t say simply because they are white. Talented writing is key.
A fault that western comics have is because they stick with one character, explore them EVERY way they can but because they don't want lose the franchise they built up around that character, they keep doing reimaginings, multiverse/ different dimensions etc to reuse the same character.
This exposes them to the leftist argument that the character itself is a title than a person as look at all the different versions they have and they are all 'spiderman, Superman, Thor' etc
That's ironically why they are having a hard time in Asia, they just reuse concepts (Isakai for example) than characters and just go in different directions. This makes it harder for leftists to latch on and claim any character as they all tend to be one shot and never reused for another property.
Yeah, like this is a problem that predates Woke and the comic industry has been pushing since basically forever.
And unfortunately, basically half the time any comic book line is remotely popular for a run is when they are focusing on "Character BUT X" for a while. So it won't stop.
Like, Batman who Laughs was the only remotely talked about Batman run in a decade. And it was literally "Joker but also Batman!"
In English we have like a century now of permanent media record. So every story has been told.
This is I think a primary driver of Woke. Every year there's fewer people with the imaginative capacity to invent actually new stories, and more people who are only capable of retelling while making brain-dead substitutions.
it's that way because since the beginning of the American comic book industry, the publishers not the artists/writers owned the characters and the ips. the Japanese artists own their ips and can end their series whenever they feel they're done with it and move on to the next projects.
"Anyone could be under that mask" meaning Peter Parker is an everyman, not that there should be two-spirit gay spidermans or whatever dumb shit they're pushing.
Everyman means if you're black or hispanic or whatever white Peter Parker represents you as well, as opposed to say superman who's power is innate as one of the (((Chosen People))); to imagine yourself as a black superman you have to imagine yourself as a white Kryptonian.
What makes these particular race swaps dumb is that what makes him spiderman is the unique circumstances of his origin story. Uncle Ben dying because of Peter's own selfishness, being charged "with great power comes great responsibility" by that uncle - these are what makes him spiderman. Any other person bit by a radioactive spider would be defined by that selfishness, or vanity, or religion, or whatever else was in their own unique back story.
So if you retell the story with black Uncle Ben Ben's Originals that's fine, but if you retell it with random dude from alternate universe that just doesn't work - without the origin story they're an entirely different character.
Peter Parker is Spider-Man. Yes there are multiple versions at this point and there was the 2099 version but Peter Parker by and large will always be seen as Spider-Man. I feel like a lot of people on social media never picked up a comic book with Miles Morales. I thought back when I was reading the comic that they should’ve given him a different name. I am working on selling his first appearance along with other newer comics and just keeping my older stuff.
Who gives a shit. Everything Marvel created is nothing more than a modern pagan pantheon built on thinly veiled critical theory. The original Marvel material was all race-based civil rights activism for the purpose of communist subversion. Now it's also sex-based, and for the same reason.
That was the entire goal of Miles "Prower" Morales and the spiderverse shit, they know they can't erase Peter Parker but Miles will never be Spiderman, he will always be "the black Spiderman." Thus, Hollywood has decided they will muddy the waters until there are 7000 Spidermans, everyone is Spiderman, and now Peter Parker is just some guy with a costume.
where all these different countries had their version of Batman?
Which also shits all over the point that Gotham is that bad Batman is one of the few effective solutions. The rest of the world isn't meant to need a Batman, they're not meant to be that fucked up.
It was bad enough they changed his powers from being inherent to being technological or whatever the fuck. My Spider-Man has spinnerettes in his wrists, not some dumb techie shit.
They were technological from the very first issue Spiderman was introduced in. He had them before he even got bit even. The organic ones were created from the Raimi film nearly 40 years later, and were popular enough to briefly be back ported to the comics.
Yes. Part of the Peter Parker character was that he was a brilliant scientist and created the web shooters to complement the powers he got from the spider bite. Him running out of web fluid from time to time was a plot point in the older comics.
The very very original was created to help him in his pre-bite stuntman career he wanted to pursue, which he then modified to the spider gimmick.
Them being tech was more than just a reload plot point, as it also allowed him absurd fluidity with them in terms of what they could be made to do instead of just being sticky ropes. Which made his powers constantly evolving and developing, more befitting of a scientist hero than a brutish one who simply used the same powers but harder.
I'm not familiar with any pre Spider-Man stunt career. That must be a retcon added after I stopped reading in early 1990s. u/ernsithe posted the panel from Amazing Fantasy #15 where he invents them, using "liquid cement" with little explanation or fanfare:
So, they laughed at me for being a bookworm, eh? Well, only a science major could have created a device like this.
It made sense for them to take them out of the Raimi movie, as it would have added extra complication when they could just make it a part of his power set granted from the spider. It made equal sense to put it back in the Andrew Garfield film, as he stole most of the work from the lab with the spiders genetically modified to improve the strength of their webs. There was a much stronger science focus in that film.
Was still a mechanical device he made. Raimi's version was the first time a mainline Spiderman ever had organic ones. A few spinoffs like Spiderman Noir had the organic ones at times, but they were also a completely different origin story and person most of the time.
I prefer it organic as well, simply because it limits his abilities and makes each fight require skill and adaptation. When its tech webs it always comes down to "now to break out my special new web power I developed two weeks ago."
This is like how Superman originally just jumped really far instead of flying, it might technically have been the case in the beginning but it isn't canon for anybody but extreme purists. Superman flies, Spiderman has mechanical web shooters he fills with chemical web fluid, etc.
Spider-Man was published for 40 years before the added the organic web shooters to align the comic with the movie. No one who read the comic prior to 2002 would have seen them.
I realized afterward that the Spider-Man I'm referring would be the Filmation version ... the cheap-ass cartoon that was a staple in the 6-8 am Saturday morning slots.
"Toby is the better Peter, Andrew is the better Spider-Man" is how I've read the two described. For a lot of the points I'd agree since Andrew's Peter was a literal skater boy while Toby's was a far more bumbling nerd as early Peter should be.
Look at the two dunking sessions between the two. Tony vs Deathstroke has Peter say "I dont want to fight you, Flash" and Peter sounds extremely anxious about what is going to happen because he's still very unsure of what he can now do. During the fight Peter ends up reflexing his way into decking Flash, while Andrew vs whoever was playing Flash in that one is far more energetic and vociferous, traits more common with Spider-Man than Peter Parker.
The Andrew Garfield Spider-Man was an interesting take. He turned into kind of a dick immediately after he realized he had powers. He absolutely goaded Flash into that fight and was clearly enjoying fucking with him. I honestly think as humans that's probably how we all would react after being bullied and suddenly turning into basically a god.
The way Uncle Ben died in the Toby Maguire film was an accident/coincidence, but in the Andrew Garfield film it was more to him neglecting his responsibilities to screw around with his new powers. It took that sobering moment to bring him back to reality
I figured it would be a matter of time before marvel started pushing Miles. And then we get the Twitter weirdos who most likely never heard of him til the movie came out
White men & asian men make cool shit & everyone else steal it.
And throw a fit if you suggest they create something original instead of “updating for a modern audience” the works of better men. When Emilia Clarke made her comic book I remember Eric July was critical of her for the whole “I didn’t feel welcome in the comic book store as a girl” routine but I could at least respect that she made an original comic.
Amazon could’ve easily hired writers to make some garbage work fantasy but they are too lazy
A lot of IPs already have their own black characters that are original but the problem is they always flop.
Icon was to be the black Superman. He was created by DC and to be fair they carried him for a while before dumping him quietly. He was 100% for the blacks to have an original contender in the DCU along with top tier heavy hitters like Superman and Batman.
The problem was, the black community wasn't interested. They tried this again with Steel. Then they were pushing for a Michael B Jordan superman casting.
They only get interested when it's an established IP that gets color swapped and gifted to them. Build them anything else and they reject it. It's not about them having something to be proud of, it's about being proud of having taken it away from you.
These black characters pander to white audiences white values by blacks,
Anyone who’s lived around blacks know they don’t even remotely share these values.
I was going to go there too. Black characters are mostly horribly written. They're not just unrealistic, they're anti-realistic, even when written by the current SJW Marvel writers who claim to understand them.
Hancock was the most realistic black superhero ever written, a violent alcoholic hobo who is more of a nuisance than a savior. Played by Will Smith, the only Oscar winner/nominee to ever assault someone at the Oscars.
Not a coincidence.
Yea the whole “taking something away” is such an immature thing. You see that with feminists when they gender swap. I have some Icon and Steel comics and I like those characters but they weren’t all that popular. I like Hal Jordan and Jon Stewart Lanterns and the Justice League helped make him more popular. I got into Steel because of his connection to Superman which is my favorite superhero along with Spidey as well as his backstory
Some also believe that you should support a character simply because they are black which is idiotic. There have been a lot of bad white characters. Supporting a terrible character because of skin color is moronic and it’s a terrible reason to create a character. Look here I’d a black character now go buy comics based on that alone. Superman, Batman, Spider-Man have stood the test of time for a reason. I wouldn’t say simply because they are white. Talented writing is key.
A fault that western comics have is because they stick with one character, explore them EVERY way they can but because they don't want lose the franchise they built up around that character, they keep doing reimaginings, multiverse/ different dimensions etc to reuse the same character.
This exposes them to the leftist argument that the character itself is a title than a person as look at all the different versions they have and they are all 'spiderman, Superman, Thor' etc
That's ironically why they are having a hard time in Asia, they just reuse concepts (Isakai for example) than characters and just go in different directions. This makes it harder for leftists to latch on and claim any character as they all tend to be one shot and never reused for another property.
Western comics don't have a story to tell.
That's the problem in a nutshell.
They have a brand to sell, not a story to tell.
It like, they had a few, but then they got reprinted and retreaded over and over again in other media.
They had once. But the thing with stories is that they have an ending. Succesful stories that turn into franchises are not allowed to end.
They might have stories, but there's no real end to them, unlike what you might have with serialized story compendiums of the past.
Yeah, like this is a problem that predates Woke and the comic industry has been pushing since basically forever.
And unfortunately, basically half the time any comic book line is remotely popular for a run is when they are focusing on "Character BUT X" for a while. So it won't stop.
Like, Batman who Laughs was the only remotely talked about Batman run in a decade. And it was literally "Joker but also Batman!"
In English we have like a century now of permanent media record. So every story has been told.
This is I think a primary driver of Woke. Every year there's fewer people with the imaginative capacity to invent actually new stories, and more people who are only capable of retelling while making brain-dead substitutions.
Deserved.
That all said, Deadpool Manga is hilarious.
it's that way because since the beginning of the American comic book industry, the publishers not the artists/writers owned the characters and the ips. the Japanese artists own their ips and can end their series whenever they feel they're done with it and move on to the next projects.
"Anyone could be under that mask" meaning Peter Parker is an everyman, not that there should be two-spirit gay spidermans or whatever dumb shit they're pushing.
Everyman means if you're black or hispanic or whatever white Peter Parker represents you as well, as opposed to say superman who's power is innate as one of the (((Chosen People))); to imagine yourself as a black superman you have to imagine yourself as a white Kryptonian.
What makes these particular race swaps dumb is that what makes him spiderman is the unique circumstances of his origin story. Uncle Ben dying because of Peter's own selfishness, being charged "with great power comes great responsibility" by that uncle - these are what makes him spiderman. Any other person bit by a radioactive spider would be defined by that selfishness, or vanity, or religion, or whatever else was in their own unique back story.
So if you retell the story with black
Uncle BenBen's Originals that's fine, but if you retell it with random dude from alternate universe that just doesn't work - without the origin story they're an entirely different character.Peter Parker is Spider-Man. Yes there are multiple versions at this point and there was the 2099 version but Peter Parker by and large will always be seen as Spider-Man. I feel like a lot of people on social media never picked up a comic book with Miles Morales. I thought back when I was reading the comic that they should’ve given him a different name. I am working on selling his first appearance along with other newer comics and just keeping my older stuff.
"Spider-Man", respect the hyphen.
Capeshit drama has to be the most retarded noise ever.
Who gives a shit. Everything Marvel created is nothing more than a modern pagan pantheon built on thinly veiled critical theory. The original Marvel material was all race-based civil rights activism for the purpose of communist subversion. Now it's also sex-based, and for the same reason.
Ever notice DC doesn't dare do this with Wonder Woman?
I wonder if they're still under the threat of losing the rights to the character if Wondy's comic ever ceases publication for any reason.
Ahem…
I forgot about that. Saw Ya Boi Zack's videos on that. Need to watch them again. Nobody cared about Nubia.
Nubia, America Chavez, RIRi. I’ve seen them collecting dust at the comic book store but they put them in movies and shows anyway. Smh
Real
communismblack replacement characters haven't been tried yet, it will work next time!That was the entire goal of Miles "Prower" Morales and the spiderverse shit, they know they can't erase Peter Parker but Miles will never be Spiderman, he will always be "the black Spiderman." Thus, Hollywood has decided they will muddy the waters until there are 7000 Spidermans, everyone is Spiderman, and now Peter Parker is just some guy with a costume.
Isn't this in the same vein as Batman Inc, where all these different countries had their version of Batman?
Spider-Man is Marvel's flagship character, IDK why they want to dilute him with 1000 knock-offs.
Which also shits all over the point that Gotham is that bad Batman is one of the few effective solutions. The rest of the world isn't meant to need a Batman, they're not meant to be that fucked up.
Petra Parkerovich
It was bad enough they changed his powers from being inherent to being technological or whatever the fuck. My Spider-Man has spinnerettes in his wrists, not some dumb techie shit.
They were technological from the very first issue Spiderman was introduced in. He had them before he even got bit even. The organic ones were created from the Raimi film nearly 40 years later, and were popular enough to briefly be back ported to the comics.
Yes. Part of the Peter Parker character was that he was a brilliant scientist and created the web shooters to complement the powers he got from the spider bite. Him running out of web fluid from time to time was a plot point in the older comics.
The very very original was created to help him in his pre-bite stuntman career he wanted to pursue, which he then modified to the spider gimmick.
Them being tech was more than just a reload plot point, as it also allowed him absurd fluidity with them in terms of what they could be made to do instead of just being sticky ropes. Which made his powers constantly evolving and developing, more befitting of a scientist hero than a brutish one who simply used the same powers but harder.
I'm not familiar with any pre Spider-Man stunt career. That must be a retcon added after I stopped reading in early 1990s. u/ernsithe posted the panel from Amazing Fantasy #15 where he invents them, using "liquid cement" with little explanation or fanfare:
It made sense for them to take them out of the Raimi movie, as it would have added extra complication when they could just make it a part of his power set granted from the spider. It made equal sense to put it back in the Andrew Garfield film, as he stole most of the work from the lab with the spiders genetically modified to improve the strength of their webs. There was a much stronger science focus in that film.
How about the Filmation version?
Was still a mechanical device he made. Raimi's version was the first time a mainline Spiderman ever had organic ones. A few spinoffs like Spiderman Noir had the organic ones at times, but they were also a completely different origin story and person most of the time.
Really? I always thought he got everything from the spider bite.
Pooh. I like the idea of his crap being organic better. It's no more weird or stupid than the Hulk being what he is from fucking "gamma rays".
I prefer it organic as well, simply because it limits his abilities and makes each fight require skill and adaptation. When its tech webs it always comes down to "now to break out my special new web power I developed two weeks ago."
This is like how Superman originally just jumped really far instead of flying, it might technically have been the case in the beginning but it isn't canon for anybody but extreme purists. Superman flies, Spiderman has mechanical web shooters he fills with chemical web fluid, etc.
Spider-Man was published for 40 years before the added the organic web shooters to align the comic with the movie. No one who read the comic prior to 2002 would have seen them.
Filmation version.
I realized afterward that the Spider-Man I'm referring would be the Filmation version ... the cheap-ass cartoon that was a staple in the 6-8 am Saturday morning slots.
That, and Tobey Maguire is no Peter Parker.
In No Way Home, I still thought that he was one of the best parts of the movie, along with Garfield.
"Toby is the better Peter, Andrew is the better Spider-Man" is how I've read the two described. For a lot of the points I'd agree since Andrew's Peter was a literal skater boy while Toby's was a far more bumbling nerd as early Peter should be.
Look at the two dunking sessions between the two. Tony vs Deathstroke has Peter say "I dont want to fight you, Flash" and Peter sounds extremely anxious about what is going to happen because he's still very unsure of what he can now do. During the fight Peter ends up reflexing his way into decking Flash, while Andrew vs whoever was playing Flash in that one is far more energetic and vociferous, traits more common with Spider-Man than Peter Parker.
The Andrew Garfield Spider-Man was an interesting take. He turned into kind of a dick immediately after he realized he had powers. He absolutely goaded Flash into that fight and was clearly enjoying fucking with him. I honestly think as humans that's probably how we all would react after being bullied and suddenly turning into basically a god.
The way Uncle Ben died in the Toby Maguire film was an accident/coincidence, but in the Andrew Garfield film it was more to him neglecting his responsibilities to screw around with his new powers. It took that sobering moment to bring him back to reality
I figured it would be a matter of time before marvel started pushing Miles. And then we get the Twitter weirdos who most likely never heard of him til the movie came out
Even when they have none of them realise Miles is the child of an interracial relationship. His dad is black, his mother is hispanic.
That’s true. Also meant to say movie, not comic.
BTW, I realized I was thinking of the Filmation Spider-Man. I watched the hell out of that as a kid.
Isn't it? Haven't there been a bunch of them?