What Is With The Upswing In Flying Saucer Related News? Psyop or real?
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Honestly I find it hard to believe a species capable of interstellar travel would safely cross the stars only to crash multiple craft with live pilots into the earth once they arrive, and then make no recovery attempts at all. The idea that alien sentience would necessarily even have something resembling a familiar terrestrial biological body to call pilot is already stretching plausibility.
That latest "whistleblower" testimony smells like total bullshit.
There's lots of fake stories told among the cleared because they're supposedly trustworthy people and 'need to know' is a ready excuse not to provide proof.
What people like this 'whistleblower' don't understand about the secrets community is that it's full of psychopaths and they enjoy fucking with people. These people can convincingly lie to you with a straight face about anything and they do.
It's hilarious to them that this guy actually believed their bullshit stories about aliens to the point of trashing his career to warn the public.
I often wonder how often the whole, "Hey, bob. Did you know we have UFOs?" thing could be used as a test in those communities. It's like, you need to know whether or not the guy can be trusted with the most crazy/secret information you have, so first you test him out with the "We have UFOs" bit.
If he's willing to go to the public with that, you obviously can't trust him with your really damaging stuff.
Nobody gives a shit about the secrets enough to test people like that. The higher-ups regularly break the rules in ways a hundred times worse than Trump is even accused of and never face any repercussions at all. It's incredibly demoralizing so the low-level people don't care either, they just don't want to go to jail for mishandling because they would go to jail for it.
Is he "trashing his career"? Assuming he's not a willing part of a psyop, a lot of people he has worked with over the years stand by his character and said that if he makes claims then there must be something to it. Under federal law his employer cannot punish him for coming forward. Outside the initial complaint there actually isn't much evidence that his superiors are trying to punish him, though supposedly the program ends in 2024 and he may have trouble finding a new job then.
That said I do find it easy to believe that multiple "witnesses" could be bullshitting him, and there isn't enough addressing of that point.
Without a clearance he can't do his job anymore and he'll either be let go or at least transferred to some Severance (2022) hellhole.
I guess it was a previous whistleblower(?) that claimed a $22 million dollar secret program to investigate UFOs - that's chump change for a secret program. That'll pay for a SCIF and a couple of clearances, maybe per diem and a few trips to investigate crop circles.
Joking aside that's a comically small amount for the government to investigate non-human craft. If there were really alien craft with dead pilots we'd be spending many billions investigating them using all the science available.
When I was in the Air Force I got some secondhand stories from people about crashed UFOs (that we may have shot down). So hard to know what to believe
They're unidentified, the leap to extraterrestrials is insane. They could just be drones.
True. But there are some very intriguing cases
Life here on Earth mostly developed in a water-rich and oxygen-rich environment, so most lifeforms evolved to require it. But we know that that's not mandatory, from examples like extremophiles that subsist off of gases emitted by volcanos, for example. Those creatures never developed far from the microbial level here on Earth, but who's to say that the same is true everywhere?
I would not be surprised at all if there was life somewhere else in the universe that developed through a completely different path than here, without water or oxygen as requirements. But I would be extremely surprised for such creatures, or any other forms of extra-terrestrials that may have evolved similarly as us, to have travelled all the way here.
Yeah, "amino acid based life form" is a very narrow band of the possible configurations of intelligence.
There's probably just as much chance that the closest "life" to earth is a small planetoid that has learned to count asteroid impacts with an cognitive system made of radioisotope decay in cryogenic ammonia channels, and makes funny gas plumes when it gets bored.
Agreed. Probes are always going to be the most likely situation.
I strongly suspect that any UFO's that actually are legit from other planets are likely automated drones following out programmed instructions and gathering data. Something about it just seems like it would fit more closely than either of the other extreme takes on UFO's.
Why not both?
ya right? If we figured out how to live on earth there is a high probability that other creatures live on other planets, known or unknown. Why not?
I just don't find it alarming that other planetary critters probably exist and may give us a visit from time to time. That doesn't have to be a threat.
Amen to that
Either it's an attempt to divert attention
More testing of secret aircraft and 'ufos' is a good excuse if they were seen
The Aliens are getting busy getting front ro seats to the final season of the drama called 'Humanity'
Psyop. There are no aliens.
Well, statistically there almost certainly are aliens.
Aliens that can come and visit you? Probably not.
We have a sample size of one, statistics tell us nothing. How many solar systems and galaxies is meaningless information if we don't have any way to know what the odds are that life is created, the odds that order rose from disorder.
There is no science that has ever shown what the odds are a primordial soup turns non-life into life; perhaps the odds are 0%. It might be like looking for Spiderman in real life: we know there are people bit by spiders every day, but that doesn't mean that one of the people who get bit will get superpowers, because the odds are zero.
No, it's like if Spider-man went looking for another Spider-man. He knows the odds are not zero, because he exists.
We actually do have an equation for calculating the likelihood of alien life elsewhere in the universe. Each variable represents individual aspects of the universe (like how many stars are there). The likelihood of there being a non-earth based life form changes with the rest of the variables. Given the life-time of the universe, as well as the number of planets and moons we have, life elsewhere in the universe is virtually certain. But so common that we could interact with that life? That remains to be seen.
Abiogenesis experiments are done, and it is possible, but it is very difficult. More than anything, it's clear that life is more likely to reproduce and evolve than emerge from non-life. The concept of "life" that we are familiar with already is quite different from the earliest 'living' objects that we know of, since they don't conform to the normal classifications we have for life today.
That being said, the odds being 0%, simply isn't enough to dismiss it given the size and lifetime of the universe. If the odds were 0.000001% that life could emerge from non-life; that would effectively guarantee the emergence of life in the universe at some point. The chances are simply too probable, even at such a "rare" scale.
That equation is a theory, a theory that sounds reasonable, but again one that doesn't have any real data for the most important parameter: emergence of life. It is all nearly random guesswork dressed in a lab coat. Abiogenesis experiments are a pipedream, amino acids are not life.
Life was either supernaturally started, in which case it could be actual 0% (or not), or there isn't a supernatural God or gods kickstarting the process of life, which means there is some chance of life naturally emerging from an explosion. However, even then odds are simply unknown; it could be the relatively great odds of 1/1000000, or it could be something insurmountably low like 1/10^100, making our very existence itself a miracle.
The scale of the universe shows how paltry the sample size is, not how inevitable life is. I'm not saying there certainly isn't some alien life form out there, just that it is beyond the scope of what can be known, even out of the scope of a ballpark guess.
You don't expect to evolve, even a basic life form, in the timeframe of any normal experiment, do you?
This is why you have to take experiments one step at a time.
Here's the problem with that. You're not treating the scale and time of the universe with enough respect.
If X has a chance of occurring that is 1/10^100. In an infinite spacetime frame, the probability of X occurring is not only 1... but the probability of infinitely many X's occurring is 1.
The scope of the universe is ultra-massive. The fact that it's possible that the conditions of life could form on other planets or moons in our own solar system basically eliminates the idea that there is no other life in the universe. It's effectively a guarantee that, somewhere, at some point, no matter how brief, life existed outside of Earth. Sapience is a much harder calculation that needs more data.
The earliest fossils we have of primordial life forms on Earth date back nearly 4.3 billion years, almost immediately after the Earth formed. As far as the chances go of finding life on other planets, that's pretty encouraging. It may even have happened more than once in our solar system.
But we're not just looking for life. We're looking for civilizations, and here's the flip-side: If there was ever life on Mars or Venus, it's not there now.
We live on a perfect planet in a perfect orbit around a perfect sun. If we were slightly closer to the sun than we are, we probably wouldn't be here. If we were any further away than we are, we probably wouldn't be here. If we didn't have plate tectonics, there would be no water cycle and we would have a runaway greenhouse effect that would have long since turned the Earth into Venus. If the Earth was much smaller than it is, then our mantle would be narrower and would already have cooled and solidified, which would mean no magnetic field and solar radiation would have blasted away most of the atmosphere and turned the Earth into a frozen desert, like Mars.
If our sun were a red dwarf, like 80-85% of the stars that exist, then it would be so much smaller that we and every other planet in orbit would be tidally locked, meaning one hemisphere would always be facing the sun, being perpetually baked and fried, and the other hemisphere would be a permanent night side, eternally dark and frozen. Most red dwarves are also flare stars, prone to wild and unpredictable variations in light and heat output. If our sun suddenly got twice as bright and twice as hot and stayed that way for several hours, we'd be fucked. If it did that every few days or weeks at random and unpredictable intervals, there would be no stable climate on any planet in the solar system. Almost no red dwarf produces enough consistent UV radiation to kick start organic chemistry at all, and these are the vast majority of stars that exist. If we were around a much brighter and more massive star than our sun, then it would have burned through all of its hydrogen and gone nova eons ago, and taken us out with it.
If we were in a binary or a trinary star system, like most star systems are, then the orbits of all of the planets would be erratic and wobbly, also creating hugely unstable climates, likely incapable of sustaining liquid water on the surface. We also live in a relative void in the interstellar medium. It's extremely rare to have a star whose nearest stellar neighbour is more than four light years away. It we were in a denser stellar neightborhood, closer to the center of the galaxy than we are, we probably wouldn't be here. If we were further out than we are, then there's another whole set of factors counting against us and we probably wouldn't be here. If we were too close to a black hole, or a neutron star or a starbirth region with supergiants going nova every couple million years, or a gamma ray buster, then we wouldn't be here.
If we didn't have Jupiter in the outer solar system, with its huge gravity eating up all the rocks careening around all over the place that want to come crashing into us, then we wouldn't be here. Even as it is, one of them occasionally gets through. The likelihood of a planet the size of Jupiter forming around a star the size of our sun is actually quite low.
We have all of these factors working in our favour, and yet even here, on this perfect planet in its perfect orbit around a perfect star, in a relatively quiet corner of a relatively stable galaxy; even here, it has taken 4.3 billion years, a third of the age of the universe, for those first organisms to reach stage that we're at now, and no evidence exists that it happened earlier.
Of course it's possible for it to have happened somewhere else, but if it has then it's almost certainly so rare and so distant that we will never meet them. For all practical purposes of the word, we are alone, and we almost certainly always will be.
That's the optimistic analysis. It's more likely a billion years after Earth formed.
It's better than that. It's almost certain that there was life on Mars, and there may yet be life on Mars right now. ... may...
That still remains to be seen. I don't expect there to be even 1 alien encounter per civilization; but just under 1 per species? Hmmm. Maybe. Yes, sure we have our specific issues. But there may still be life on Mars, and there may still be life on Io, and there may have been life on other moons and planets in our system. Life surviving is pretty tough, but clearly, life is an aggressive sumbitch that exploits any and all available opportunities it encounters. I never thought any human in my lifetime would see an interstellar object enter our solar system, but that's already happened. The coincidence is like building two gravitational space telescopes and discovering the "blip" of two black holes colliding over 2 billion years ago, 2 weeks after you finish building them.
Space has a nasty habit of making the obviously, totally, impossible seem utterly mundane.
The Cambrian explosion the led to the development of multicellular life on Earth only happened less than 600 million years ago. Regardless of how early we carbon date stromatolite fossils, that still tells us that life on Earth was constrained to single-celled organisms for billions of years. Just as it would be in the extremely unlikely event that it does still exist anywhere else in the solar system.
Again, I would argue that this counts significantly against the possibility of multi-celled organisms eventually evolving into civilizations with any kind of regularity.
The point is "regularity".
We're so far outside the bounds of that word already that it's use doesn't make sense here.
Everything is a psyop.
My personal take? Aliens are certainly a possibility...up until the government starts telling you they're real, in which case we should all get very suspicious. If the mainstream narrative becomes "aliens," it's almost certainly not aliens.
I will reserve judgment until someone credibly displays and explains the "spacecraft" and the actual bodies allegedly preserved/dissected.
It's likely total bullshit.
Rep. Tim Burchett actually kinda pointed this out on Bannon's War Room. Although if advanced technology were discovered, the military would want to keep that tight lipped. Tim basically said it's a little bit of a false flag, because they are trying to get a couple extra bucks.
However, truly alien technology isn't something we can actually work with. It would be like handing a deer a cellphone. An alien life form might not have 10 fingers and 10 toes, let a lone a base 10 numbering system. We wouldn't understand the basic premises that the technology is based on. And the materials science that makes of the thing, wouldn't be similar because it' not earth based technology. The crust and gravity of their planet might be different enough that the technology isn't something we can begin to decipher.
Put it like this. Pilots who flew in the Soviet Union required extensive re-training, to fly western aircraft after the USSR fell. There were tons of little things like: Latin lettering, different engineering systems to how flight controls worked, the warnings and instruments both read and presented information differently, and in different places. Yet, this was just a different civilization living on the same planet, at the same time, as all of us.
Alien technology of any kind might be practically indecipherable, maybe for centuries.
I agree anything truly alien would likely be difficult to work with, but I doubt the numbering system would be the main sticking point. Humans are already very familiar/proficient in working with non base 10 stuff like binary, and hexadecimal
That's one part of the problem, it's a single example that most people never consider.
It's not just the numbering system that's the problem. The problem is that our math isn't the same. Math isn't just "math". Modern mathematics is based on Number Theory and, mostly, Cartesian systems. It is the modern iteration of mathematics. Very few people, even math majors, could work with "math" if it were based off of Euclidian Mathematics, or ancient Greek geometry. This is because those mathematical systems were abandoned, because we reached the end-point of those logical systems given their presuppositions and axioms.
Alien mathematics would be built off entirely different presuppositions, and have a totally different history. We'd have to find a way to translate all of their mathematical procedures, starting with gravitational constants (the only thing we could probably have any chance of working off of.
You're talking out your ass. You're saying a modern mathematician would struggle with proofs because "modern math" is arithmetic. Modern math is wholly comprised of proofs. Calculation is largely a tool of engineering.
Whatever dude, I didn't say any of those things.
Ive been into UFOs/aliens since third grade. While I believe that the universe is full of life I wouldn’t put it past the govt to do some sort of psyop but I definitely believe they have more info than they are letting on.
Also he isn’t saying anything that hasn’t been rumored already for decades. There are definitely compelling cases like with pilots or militaries. Including the ones involving nuke bases. Also Mars has some stuff that looks like ruins but until we can actually investigate up close nothing can be certain.
Then there is Blue Beam which this could be a part of or Solar Warden which I think is definitely real
My problem with that story is how could humans possibly "defend" against technology from a species that has mastered faster than light travel? If they wanted to destroy Earth, they could hurl large objects towards the planet at relativistic speeds.
If (Jupiter-sized if) extraterrestrials are visiting I can only imagine they see us like pets or exhibits in a zoo. Or maybe like how we observe those primitive tribes in South America. They may not be "friendly" but they certainly aren't trying to wipe out humanity.
Only thing I could speculate is that we have some amazing stuff in the black budget world
One of the greatest defeats the British Empire ever faced was at Isandlwana against the stone-age tribes of the Zulu.
The Spanish would have easily been defeated by the Aztecs if it were not for the fact that they exploited a Civil War.
There are multiple instances of European colonists getting wiped out by Native American tribes.
Even the Viking's attempt to colonize Newfoundland was abandoned.
Do not underestimate a primitive enemy's desire to pick a fight, and do not over-estimate a superior belligerent's commitment to winning one.
If a random trade vessel was greeted by a salvo of Earth based nuclear missiles, the people that that trade vessel represented would fuck off rather quickly.
That's all fine and your points are well taken for those scenarios. Your random trade vessel just wanted to trade. If we were using captured alien technology that makes it perfectly believable that we could stand toe to toe with them in "legitimate combat." My understanding of Solar Warden had come from a story long ago (and I can't find it now) that alleged the aliens are trying to wipe out humanity and the secret program was in operation to prevent that. Something like Stargate SG1. The British were not trying to genocide the Indians no matter what Indians claim, and I do believe the Spanish could have easily killed all The Aztecs had they set their minds to it and sent more than an expeditionary force. That's again ignoring that once you have FTL you can probably destroy a planet without any fighting at all.
But now I can't find anything about Solar Warden being anything but a secret military space program interacting with 'non-terrestrial officers'. No details about what they were doing beyond that. The most I can find is a HuffPost story from 2012 and nobody should be reading HuffPost. So it looks like I was mistaken and arguing with a strawman. Please forget what I said.
I don't really know what Solar Warden is. My only point was that violence-of-action is always a major force multiplier when technology is not on your side.
If you had seen an upswing in Covid related news, would you consider it a psyop or real?
There is also more government activity in this regard. See my other post.
fallen angel shit goes brrr
desperate distraction, but from what?
Given what we can do with a swarm of drones I am highly skeptical about any ufo being extra terrestrial in origin
Watch the documentary "Hypernormalisation" by Adam Curtis. He goes into this phenomena in-depth.
From BBC:
Sound familiar?
Got a good (free) source with decent quality? ;)
Got expelled from youtube but I think it's still on rumble.
Frequency illusion.
But the difference is that there is now more activity from the government in this field.
And NASA implemented a 'NASA’s Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena' independent study team last year and had a hearing about it. NASA website
Or a new 'Annual Report on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena' from the Director Of National Intelligence, by request of the Pentagon. (Although, this may have something to do with the increase in spy balloons.)