Asking this because it’s known that the reason everything’s been offshored is for profit, so I’m curious as to how much people here are willing to pay extra for a product if it gets made in the US again. 10% extra? 20%? 30%? How much of a markup for American labor is too much?
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It's not about "pay extra". It's about finally not having an artificial surplus of illegal labor.
Labor is subject to supply and demand the same as any other commodity, meaning that aliens, or even the participation of foreigners in the economy, is guaranteed to have a negative effect on the average American. Wage depreciation being a prime example of that.
Made in America should be the default, and imports should be heavily taxed, combined with the mass expulsion of foreigners.
Yes, but a hard no to the other. Taxing imports makes the local companies overly comfortable. If you want people to buy "Made in America", you need it to be better than the alternative.
Anyone who's driven or even seen a British Leyland car would understand this is a bad idea. Competition is necessary to keep quality high for the consumer.
They're overly comfortable now, because they can sit with their HQ here and claim to be a US company while they outsource two thirds of their jobs to pajeets for pennies on the reportable payroll. And that's not even counting how foreign labor creates a huge negatives effect on the local skill base in so many industries.
Taxing imports represents the opportunity cost that you're skipping out on by employing foreigners who don't pay taxes or spend their money in our economy. It is an absolutely necessary step.
How about a heavy tax on companies (in any country) that don't comply with environmental, safety, and humanitarian standards?
Like, you want to buy Nikes make in a sweatshop? Add a 10% Slave Tax.
Want the new iPhone but Apple workers are committing mass suicide in China? 15% safety tax.
Company dumps it's toxic waste into the ocean instead of containing it long term? 20% Polluter Tax.
Let them do what they like, but charge them for the actual costs that governments will have to spend to clean up their mess.
Something like that would easily be weaponized. I can see "equality tax" already just from reading that.
Er... you realize that the EPA was used as the cudgel by the (bribed) US government to send companies and their equipment to China, right?
Doesn't Aston Martin use a lot of AMG parts?
Yes.
Aston Martin cars used to be absolutely awful.
They were glorified ads for AM.
IIRC, AM even paid for some of the production costs.
Yes, because modern Aston Martins use reworked AMG-Mercedes power units.
The new(ish) Vantage is powered by the same engine as the AMG-Mercedes GT S.
Not everyone wants better for all products. A lot of the time, a Chinese product might be 80% of the capabilities of the non-Chinese product but 50% of the price. People will put up with the slightly inferior product because it’s perceived as the better value.
That's what the chicken tax is, and it's why Chrysler, Ford, and GM were even able to survive in the truck market after the 70s. The Japanese came into the market and completely dominated them in terms of reliability, and the market noticed this. So the big 3 went crying to daddy government and got them to fuck over the Japanese by taxing their trucks to the point that people were willing to put up with a piece of shit Ford just because it was cheaper. Now you have basically no small cheap trucks anymore.
This is what third world countries do and it doesn't achieve the intended goal.
It's what China does and they're rapidly dominating the planet while we're asleep at the switch.
soap
https://dissidentsoaps.com/about-us/
clothes and other stuff
https://originmaine.com/
ammo
https://fenixammo.com/
all say they are made in the US from US sourced components
The real hassle is finding electronics that aren't made by Chinese slave labor
AAC is also good ammo and made in the USA as well. They’re Palmetto State Armory’s in house ammo brand
To apply to non Americans here, can change it to 'made in the country you reside'?
As in that case , it depends on another issue: quality. The reason the American car industry got sodomised by the Japanese and Europeans was they offered a better product. There's no point priding yourself on 'it was made here' if the product is vastly inferior at a marked up price compared to a cheaper product outside that is just as a disposable.
So that you can't go 'you're just hating on Americans' look up British Leyland as an example of what I'm talking about.
To be honest, some international cooperation is for a better product
It's like the British and Italians designing their cars but getting the Germans to build them so they are reliable and great to drive.
Germany makes reliable cars? That has not been my experience. Powerful and fun to drive, absolutely. Reliable, not so much.
Compared to when the Italians FULLY make a car, they do.
Look at Alpha Romeos, beautiful cars...... even stationary after their brakedowns...
You don't buy an Alfa, Ferrari, or Lancia because it's a a smart, rational, logical choice.
You buy it because it's fucking beautiful, even as it lights itself on fire by the roadside.
Here in Europe, German brands are considered as no thrill, straight cut, solid car manufacturers that offer many wallet friendly models and specs. Models off the top of my head to fit that category are: Any Polo or Golf, A-class Mercs or BMW 1-er.
However when elsewhere in the world they are regarded as luxurious brands with the high expectations for said brands. A dinky 1-Series BMW is suddenly more appealing in China because its a BMW. Because of their perceived status, and price, people treat them as "rugged" cars that should withstand the abuse. Generally they will do just fine. Only a small catch, they must be serviced properly at the right intervals for said abuse!
Sadly this last part is lost in translation somehow and your beloved BMW 335i doesn't get thoroughly inspected and serviced, and before you know it a hefty bill is revealed once you take the car to a main dealer for a "weird duck like sound" coming from the front passenger side suspension area.
I may not know all factors which contribute to their reliability of a vehicle, but a major reason could be the lack of strict annual road worthy tests which are the norm in EU. You might have heard of UK users refer these as MOT in the UK, or TÜV inspection in good ol' Germany.
I may be oversimplifying it, but this is what I have seen on a personal account based on family member who lives in Snowy California.. err I mean Canada. She has a Toyota or Honda crossover but she always complains that every garage in town charges too much for each repair. What's the punchline? Well, she doesn't get her car serviced only once stuff starts to break :/
My Audi has been mostly reliable. I've only had 2 things actually fail on it where it stopped working in the 11 years I've owned it.
Then again I don't have the 2.0T engine that drinks oil.
and getting completely in America is very tough. There are components of product that are going to just be much easier to make in other countries, if only because that is where the mines for the raw materials are.
The US has domestic sources for a lot of rare earth metals that we aren't really mining or refining due to environmentalists and anti-civilization communists.
GM and Dodge, yes, but Ford trucks are like 75-85% American made, depending on the year and model.
https://gmauthority.com/blog/2020/09/general-motors-has-more-american-vehicle-content-than-any-other-automaker
I think he's exaggerating. GM, Ford, and FCA all generally have high NA-sourced parts content.
https://kogod.american.edu/autoindex
If you have a better methodology, I'd love to see it. Right now, it's just "trust me bro".
Considering most of the companies in my country are ultra woke and my government is a far-left eco-fascist nightmare factory ... I actually do the opposite.
If possible I order from other countries. I also prefer products from non-European/non-US manufacturers.
I occasionally make an exception for smaller brands that don't have any leftist shit on their website or social media, but in the end the less money my government and those that support them get the better.
I made that exact argument. Are they so universally understood to be shit that they're a byword for complacency?
Damn did it at the same time lol, anyone unaware of how bad they were, look up Top Gear British Leyland on YouTube, they did an entire episode on them when it was he trio working there.
One had no brakes and the other actually had a door 'not work' and then fall off.
"Your Rover leaks so badly that they're going to use two hoses."
"Eventually, we became bored, and the tankers became empty."
Ahh, when British TV wasn't just "women are better than you" propaganda reminiscent of Nazi Germany.
20 years ago, my answer would easily be in the 20 - 30%.
Today? Considering all the "American" corporations funding trannies and subversion, all jockeying to place themselves as the Ministry of Plenty in the post-communist horror-show, fucking 0%.
In fact, as an example, I'll happily skip the Jeep for a Suzuki if they still sold passenger cars here, and be willing to pay a premium for the vehicle built and designed by people who actually graduated school instead of getting some equality and diversity diploma.
I think there was some rather recent comprehensive study that found people are only willing to pay like 2% more to save the environment so I imagine it's even less than that for "made in America".
I don't need everything made in America but some things should be (I know some things in fact are but not enough). We need a real steel industry for example. It's okay for some things to cost more. I spent three times as much on Bondhus allen wrenches and they were a value compared to ten dollar sets made of chinesium that will strip the first time you use them.
I don't particularly like trying to solve problems with government regulations but it would be nice if tools had a to list the type of steel they are made of. I remember reading an article where an american company that made trailer hitches couldn't stay in business because chinese companies were able to sell the final product for less than the american company could buy the steel. Fuckery is afoot.
For me it entirely depends on the quality, is it solid and not flimsy as fuck because of the amount of corners cut in production? Great, then I'll buy it. Even being somebody who's not involved in production in the slightest I can see how shitty the metal/plastic is on a lot of products these days.
Would I buy something American made or just western made generally if it was shit just to support people? No, bad products shouldn't be rewarded. I mean something seemingly straightforward like cutlery is a great example of this. I've been amazed at how bad a lot of crap being sold is because you could snap it with your fingers there's that little real metal in them and even then you're probably not getting real steel to one degree or another yet they're often lying to you that it is.
It's all about honesty with the product for me these days, I know when I'm being lied to.
I already pay $8 a carton for eggs(and that was before eggs prices spiked), what do you think? The price point isn't the deciding factor for me on a number of products.
How long will it last?
MOST of a vintage chrome Sunbeam toaster would outlive its owner. The only problem with them was that the rheostats would crap out because of the heating and cooling cycles.
I'd pay up to twice as much for certain low-to-mid cost products. Higher priced items like cars it's just not feasible. The caveat would be high quality and repairability. I hate disposable culture. For Chinese quality shit made in USA, not much more really, and a lot of made in USA items have gone very close to Chinese shit.
Depends on the product and price point.
I'll pay double if the item is $5.
For larger ticket items, maybe 10-15% of I know it's higher quality as well.
Depends on the product and price point.
I'll pay double if the item is $5.
For larger ticket items, maybe 10-15% of I know it's higher quality as well.
If it's well-made and over $500, I'll pay up to double. If it's a cheaper item less than $250, I've paid up to quadruple for a quality US made product. It depends on what I'm using it for, plus research on how the US product is actually superior. In a hypothetical situation where both parts are identical, I might pay 10% more.
Depends on how much the baseline product costs and how much of a difference there is in product quality. Would also depend on how much quality impacts its functional use and effectiveness, and how importance or value I place on the product.
IE, top of the line joystick company, VKB. Russian company and products ship directly from China (because of weight/bulk and tariffs). None of the alternative high end joystick options available had quite what I was looking for and certainly not for anything but an extremely exorbitant price. I haven't had a satisfactory joystick since Sidewinder, so... I find it justified.
Buying a neat but cheap globe? Would prefer it made in the US or possibly Europe, even if it was 5-15 bucks more expensive.
Clothes, blankets, or bedding? Would almost certainly prefer made in the US or Europe due to health concerns (potential toxins and chemicals via weak Chinese regulations).
Medicine, medication, etc? 90% of the time I'd prefer US or European based for quality and safety concerns.
Would also generally prefer stuff produced in Singapore, Thailand, Japan, or South Korea over China or India.
Ah, and just remembered. I'd "usually" prefer to avoid products mechanical or electronic products manufactured in any of the British isles. I've never been especially impressed with any products from there, as far as quality goes.
I’ll pay up to 50% more to buy American provided the quality is there.
Unfortunately a lot of the time it isn’t.
The problem is globalism. Foreign money into the US economy as much as out.
If there industries were stateside to begin with, and they weren’t suppressing wages with H1B visas and illegals, this wouldn’t be a problem.
are we talking about American American or stuffs made in American factory by Mexicans, what's the point of made in America if it's still made by illegals
Made in America means nothing. I want a guarantee they hired male workers.
I'd pay 50%+ extra to support a company that "discriminates against women".