This topic came up when I was talking to my brother recently. He has three girls and they just finished watching the Obi-Wan show and my brother said that show was such a blatant example of pushing girl power where it made no sense and it clearly showed the writers didn't know or didn't care about Star Wars. Now my brother likes Andor and Mandalorian so he isn't at my level where I cancelled Disney plus and truly despise disney Star Wars, but around his girls I remain positive since I don't want to ruin their fun because the sequels were the first Star Wars they were exposed to and then they watched the rest. I am thinking for Christmas I may buy some EU books for his daughters to get them into that timeline.
But he was just frustrated at the endless push to get women into things that generally appeal to men and he said men and women generally like different things. It's just that simple.
I would love to be at one of the panels at a Con where someone like Anita Sarkessian or the Star Wars, RIngs of Power, Wheel of Time writers give their usual speech about not seeing many women, people of color, etc. and simply ask them why they don't understand that certain thing appeal to more guys than women or that there were always women/minorities that were into these hobbies but they think something is wrong if a large number of white guys enjoy something.
Anyway, do you see this trend waning? I'd like to think so but even with constant flops nothing changes. I really miss the days of being laughed at for reading comic books or a sci-fi novel because the worthless activists in charge of the shows or the ones winning the Hugos or Nebulas were most likely the very people who mocked nerds or thought gamers were losers until they saw those things being trendy and jumped on board.
Just like libs want everything to be "handicapped-accessible" they want all men's spaces to be "woman accessible", which means gutting them with bullshit feminism and then REEEEEEEEEing when any men push back.
Do they want the same for women's spaces? No, only for trannies.
It all makes perfect sense when you consider that the goal of intersectional Leftism is to destroy straight white males and divide their looted corpses among their intersectional group of "historically oppressed peoples".
The tip of the intersectional spear are Hollywood atheistic jews and their indoctrinated basic white women, pushing their bullshit propaganda to the point where you get new shows like Velma where it's all hanging right out in the open to the point where even Leftists can't deny its ugliness.
This.
It ends when the best a white man can hope for is a life of toil in a cement factory before he drops dead at 40.
It ends when white men live on a few dollars a day in nations run by their immigrant conquerors, who themselves will be controlled by the same system of global finance that we are controlled by today.
It won't stop at white men.
All men. Women won't accept anything less.
They are controlled by Jewish media, which is controlled by Jewish finance, which is controlled by Jewish men.
Follow the chain of command upward, and you find Jewish men, not women.
I mean at that point let em get what they want. They might resent the lack of Y chromosomes and, ya know, sperm being around.
That's an interesting juxtaposition you got yourself there.
if this was reddit I'd give you a fucking hug or some other crappy icon. but it's not - so one updoot it is
They simply hate us. That is all the motivation they need.
It’s to the point where without a recommendation from a trusted source I won’t watch or read anything made after 14. Most of what I watch and read is older stuff and I’m so sick of the diversity obsession because it’s made entertainment so predictable. What’s insane is that shows like Sanford and Son, Cosby Show, Fresh Prince we’re quite popular with white audiences but I guess they weren’t good enough. I recently bought a two volume anthology book of sci-fi short stories from the 50s. Great stuff
What I learned over time is that “representation” has nothing to do with skin color, gender, sexual orientation, etc. What leftists want to see represented in media is leftism. If your black character isn’t constantly struggling against racism, then it doesn’t count as a black character. If your female character isn’t an aggressively feminist cunt, then it doesn’t count as a female character. Conservative minority? Doesn’t count. Apolitical minority? Doesn’t count.
The best example is trans characters. If trans women are real women, then trans women should feel represented by a female character. But they don’t. They only feel represented by an explicitly trans character. Because it’s all about inserting their personal cultural and political struggles into the media that everyone absorbs. It’s about dissemination of ideology, masquerading as “representation”.
This is an excellent argument that never crossed my mind previously.
Leftism is the worship of the Mary Sue
And with the trans thing they make up a speck of the population so the over representation is annoying. But you nailed it. They want a diversity of race but with the same beliefs. You are right. You would never see a show today were a black teen realizes that blm is full of crap.
Pre-Obama is generally a safe cutoff for Western media, but Gamergate is definitely the Rubicon.
Yea. That’s a good rule of thumb.
try and find EE 'Doc' Smith books - you'll enjoy
Thanks!
Feminism is entirely about women taking over male spaces, not being in them. There are plenty of women who share male hobbies without trying to change them, however there are even more women who believe its their right to change a space to suit them despite anyone one else in the space. On a societal level this is why political correctness exists, why prohibition happened, and why there are female only businesses/ gyms/ clubs/ venues/ etc but not male only. it’s a subjugation fetish. That’s why I love the rad gem crying over troonery, men put on dresses and played the exact same game with female spaces.
This will not end until we stop pretending democracy is a thing and works, giving cowards and the weak power doesn’t make the world a better place, it makes the society weak and predatory towards the strong.
I remember I had people laughing because I said do you know how you can tell that a female/minority is a real fan? Because they talk about what they enjoy. Simple as that. Same for white guys obviously. I know you’ve rolled your eyes at the endless fake fans who say that an IP needs to be reimagined or updated.
Idk rosemary’s baby with a tranny being the impregnated with the spawn of Satan would be an interesting ip flip 😂
I would watch that.
tie it iin with a prophecy about the end days will occur when nature is flipped on its head
I'm sure it can be found.
They understand. They simply don't care, because it's not convenient. Anita Sarkeesian's grift would have nowhere to go if she admitted that men and women, generally, have different interests.
Will the trend wane? Of course. The laws of nature have a way of reasserting themselves. You can only lose so much on nonsense. It takes constant effort to pretend that men and women are no different, which is why this will fail - but don't think it will fail soon enough to save your favorite franchise.
Like Sowell said, the good thing about companies vs. the government is that bankruptcy eventually prevents the former from throwing good money after bad.
This mindset is actually quite flawed. What does it matter that communism is doomed to failure if it still manages to preside over the majority of your days on this earth? Leftist systems inevitably collapse, sure, but you can still spend decades suffering under them. And guess what else is inevitable? Someone is going to try leftism again, and probably sooner than you think.
My point is this: as a mortal species, we should measure the success of systems based on how many years of your life are dominated by those systems. Leftism can’t be called a failed ideology if it oppressed you for thirty shitty years, takes a five year break, and then comes back to fuck up the second half of your life. That’s a successful campaign.
You could be a billionaire if you became a contractor whom people could hire to ruin the days of their enemies.
I was playing Metroid Dread the other night, and my cousin, completely unprompted, points out how stupid the representation argument is when there have been massively popular female leads since the beginning.
Honestly, I doubt it'll ever go away, seeing has how there was never a need for it in the first place. Grifters gonna grift, and all that. Anyone who says they can't relate to someone who isn't exactly like them isn't worth listening to, so people just need to stop listening to them and cater to the people who want to have fun.
Agreed. I’m mostly black and Spider-Man and Superman have been my favorites since I picked up my first comic. I love their optimism and their willingness to see the good in everyone and try to redeem them. But I’ve gotten so many downvotes on Reddit for telling people that it’s a sign you aren’t a real fan when the first thing you bring up is diversity/representation
And I’ve read some romance novels in my life. Now imagine if I tried to be like Sarkessian and whine about how men are portrayed in romance novels. There would be crickets. I also like murder mystery but since there are a substantial number of females in that genre it isn’t toxic
Sar.keesian originally tried critisizing more mainstream shows. She put up her videos, no one cared.
It was when she started targetting nerds for some reason loved embracing the "womenz don't like me" message that it gained influence.
No. Communist revolutions don't burn out, they have to be deliberately defeated, and there's virtually nobody with any willpower and actual power to try to stop them right now.
Not until there is a cost (financial, social, something else) to feminists for doing so. At the moment, the only consequence of a loss is that they try again. What motivation do they have to stop?
It will stop when there start being real consequences for this horseshit, and I don't mean financial consequences.
Dang! But it wouldn’t surprise me
You are just going to drop this and then not do anything with it?!
Being more serious, you have me curious. What was their opinion of the other Star Wars movies compared to the sequels? Additionally, what about Rogue One? I know it is not a super popular opinion, but I thought Jyn Erso was a good female character (in that she wasnt an insufferable "girl boss" and actually felt like she was real, even if a little flat).
As for the main topic, I am more hopeful than the rest of the thread in that I think it will die down. Never truly go away because Hollywood doesnt work that way. But as was outline in a video by Razorfist, movies and shows move through cycles of what is and isnt popular. And between cycles, all they can do is reboots and remakes, and change some things because they need to make it different enough that they can desperately hope that people will throw enough money at them to keep it afloat.
The movies we are seeing now that are all woke dogshit with messages so thick you could use it as oil? Due to the lag time in Hollywood, almost all of them were made in 2017-18, right at the height of Anti-Trump hysteria (which just made the normal trend of stuff getting Left-wing political in its "Deconstruction" phase worse).
Almost every Hollywood insider I watch says that shit doesnt fly anymore. They cant keep ignoring the fact that everything with Woke, Genderflipped Girl Bosses keeps losing epic amounts of money because even the normies hate them. My fiancé is uninitiated in the Culture War and wants nothing to do with it, but that doesnt change the fact that she utterly despise "Girl Boss" and also hates the trend of them hating women for being hot with big tits.
And Hollywood cant ignore that Top Gun made ridiculous amounts of money, that John Wick is continuing to make money 4 movies in with extremely positive word of mouth. They cant ignore that RRR came out of left field from India and proceeded to eat their lunch for a fraction of the budget. They cant ignore that historically focused War movies (All Quiet, Midway, 1917, Dunkirk) keep making money. Not anymore. Not now that they need money because it is drying up. Unfortunately, that damn lag means we wont see it for a while, but it is bound to happen. Or else Hollywood dies, and it turns out that not all of them are suicidal (only some).
My brother and is family are on the east coast so I only see them once or twice a year. The girls range between 9 and 15. Until I gave up all Disney Star Wars I liked Rogue One (although the Vader scene really adds to the cool factor) and mandalorian but while I know it sounds petty even watching mandalorian makes me remember it all leads to sequels. I am not sure what the girls think outside of being Mandalorian fans. I know my brother hated Kenobi because he said that was clearly a girl power show.
I know Disney owns the property and are free to do what they want but considering you had a good chunk of fans like me invested in the books and comics why not just have a separate continuity along with your own canon? They could write stories for both. And for KK to say we have no source material after not using what Lucas gave her and trashing the EU that still annoys me a bit. After leaving the theater after episode nine my first thought was This was all they had?! Had Favreau been involved with the sequels I don’t think you would have the bitterness of fans like me.
But sorry for the Star Wars rant, you are right. There was a time when a race or gender swap didn’t bother me since it wasn’t very often but now it’s a red flag because you know the motives. Or like Rings of Power or Wheel of Time. The cast can’t shut up about representation or race. What is most ironic is that for all the talk of diversity so many movies and shows are predictable because you know that the women will be much better than men, the white guy is a buffoon or learns to recognize his privilege, black people endlessly talking about race, etc.
Toy companies think hard times are to blame for why they are failing, especially now. There is a reason they were called 'recession proof' before now. It's funny, Lego only survived because of so-called manbabies, and is now more of a production made to order company rather than just putting out every random franchise tie in shit. Yet, what are they pushing? It is certainly hurting their sales and will eventually kill their market. Good riddance.
One thing that isn’t talked about very often is the impact of the streaming model. Streaming services have essentially “socialism’d” our entertainment. Used to be a media property had to stand on its own two legs in the free market. There were exceptions to this, of course. Government subsidized media, studios using successful movies to fund unprofitable projects, etc. But today? You have monolithic streaming services spending billions of dollars on countless hours of woke content that seemingly no one is watching, all supported by a mixture of tent pole franchises and quasi-syndicated classics. There are no meaningful consequences for woke shows tanking hard because everything is flying under a Netflix or hbo banner.
One benefit of streaming are the free streaming services with commercials. They tend to have a lot of older content which is much rather watch. Ironically the hyper obsession with diversity and representation has made every show pretty much the same.
I love that they give you 30 and 90 day free trials. I watched Ted Lasso, Mythic Quest, See, Severance, Servant and others all for nothing on a 30 day Apple TV trial - then just cancelled and moved to Amazon free trial. After that one finished I did a free trial with Britbox. By the time I'd finished looping through I created a new email address then signed up for my seconf round of free trials all with new content. I won't pay a cent to these companies.
Never thought of that. I have Britbox mainly for the old content but the bbc has a more ridiculous diversity policy than here in America. But older BBC content is great. I love murder mystery and they have plenty. Check out Tubi, Crackle, or Pluto those are free
I've had a look at Tubi but I don't think we get Crackle or Pluto in Australia
Were those shows any good?
Severance was my favourite show of 2022 (except for making Christopher Walken gay). See was quite brutal but had some serious plot hole issues. Ted Lasso was actually a bit disappointing given the Hype but Mythic Quest is great.
Interesting. I saw a Mythic quest commercial and it looked like a girl power type of show with “sexism in gaming” themes. Good to know it’s not
Not until gay commies are defeated and men can again backhand women who get uppity without getting arrested.
I gave it some more thought and I came up with a different answer. The grift we know about is women in gaming, but how much of the mid 00's was a grift? There was a public push against games that seemed weird and all the games being promoted were pretty dang violent and promoted that violence. Remember the Manslaughter 2 getting an AO rating tempest in a teacup? That was what got majorly promoted to gamers and it was hard to talk about games that didn't have the edgy vient streak.
How much of that was two grifts being used to gain power? Gamergate showed that this was all possible, so there is no doubt it happened earlier. We just never registered how big it was until then. It wouldn't be a shock to realize the hyper violence was one grift to make money and keep the audience smaller than expected.
The same thing with women in men's spaces. It's all very corporate weirdness that seems to push an idea over any other factor. It has tons of journalists in on it. Large companies seem to want this controversy over their own sales. If this is a grift, then I expect a new grift to come in. Metaverse didn't work out, NFTs had some power, but whatever it is will be just as stupid and big until you look at it more thoroughly. As people catch on to what it is, we see a new grift take over. Sort of like all those protests against Trump that were originally parties to celebrate Hilary Clinton winning. Once we catch on, then the new grift kicks in and we have to watch out for it.
Good point. Well said
Of course it will. The entire woke agenda is nothing more than a political fad in the grand scheme of world history.
It will only wane after white men are completely wiped off the face of the planet. While even 1 white man exists, the pressure will continue.
I’d say you are being hyperbolic but I’ve seen people with that mentality
i just posted this - https://communities.win/c/ConsumeProduct/p/16Zr116KQM/its-not-about-white-people-per-s/c
Not sure if I should reply there or here. Maybe here so other KA2 people see because I imagine I already know how ConPro will reply to this...
The problem with defending "western civilization" rather than defending "white people" is that your idea of western civilization and my idea of western civilization are going to differ; however, both of us can agree on whether either of us are white. In this way, it's easier to rally people behind race than it is to rally them behind "western civilization".
I know exactly what you mean though. My best friend is central american. He technically isn't white but he gets lumped into white for everything and would be a staunch defender of this "western civilization" you speak of. He sometimes jokes how he agrees with White Nationalist groups when it comes to values/beliefs but if those groups ever got their way, they'd kick him out which sucks. It also sucks for me because he's my best friend and I think the exact same thing. I'd want him to be a part of "Western Civilization" but I too support the White Nationalists and know if they got their way, they'd want to deport him out of the country.
However, I do believe that even in White Nationalist ideals, you can have some non-whites in the country. 1-2% of the total pop not being white isn't going to fuckup any dynamics. If we went to war with China for example, I'd fully expect some of our warriors to take back some hot Chinese women as sex slaves. It's what Aryans have always done. Pretty sure some of the oldest Greek works is about taking war brides. I do think people who are overly race focused sometimes get too extreme. Is a person who is 3/4 white and 1/4 Chinese a white person or not? The Slavs are often mixed significantly with the Mongolians. The Spanish today have a significant amount of blood from darker Muslims in them. The Greek/Romans today are also mixed with darker Muslim blood compared to Ancient Greek/Romans. So being a little too focused on race can be a problem also.
Even Hitler had Jewish friends. Here's an example of one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eduard_Bloch
Anyway, the point I'm making though is that it's much easier to rally people behind race than it is ideology. Even if race is subjective, there's far less controversy on whether you are x race or not than on what "Western Civilization" means. And race actually matters. Race is a representation of genetics and genetics influence one's behavior and it's that behavior which matters for building a culture and a "Western Civilization" so race is a major factor in how you want to build your society.
How do you know if a black person who says he supports "Western Civilization" actually does or not? You don't. However, you likely would find White People, of all the races have the highest correlative factor to believing in Western Civilization values (however you define them) than any other race, so you don't need to believe what a person is telling you, you can just see from their race whether they likely would align with western values or not.
The biggest problem in western society has been coming from jews who tell white people that they believe in western values while the jews undermine western values by subverting the society toward values not inline with western values. If you made society 100% White People only it would immediately solve one of the biggest problems and it would be much harder to subvert through deception. You can't really deceive people about your race, very easily, though the jews even attempt to do that by convincing people they are white when they aren't.
I think once we've established a racially unified society, then discussions on the controversial things such as what is "Western Civilization" can begin.
And as I said in pretty much all these hobbies there were already women who were fans. I hate Disney Star Wars but loved the expanded universe stuff. I was on forums discussing those books way back and plenty of women read them too. I blame the MCU and Big Bang Theory for making it trendy to be a nerd. I can’t tell you how many people would say they are huge comic book fans because they watched an MCU movie. But the cycle you mentioned keep going on and on
Amen to that
I remember when video gaming as a hobby was denigrated as something for girlfriendless teens and adolescent adults whom women would never have anything to do with. Things started to change in the early to mid 90s with the marketing shift away from video games as toys pioneered by Nintendo and a move toward a more teen/adult demographic brought about by Sega and Sony. Once the video game industry became a mainstream, multi-billion dollar industry, things changed, even if the attitude toward hardcore male gamers has not. And particularly so during the PS3/XBox 360 era.
Lies wane when the surplus that enabled them disappear.
Nature, and the universe itself, is built upon foundations of truth. That's why nature is such a harsh teacher. Make a mistake, be foolish, or base your life around lies, and nature rightfully punishes you. Foolishness and lies can't persist within nature. The more advanced a society becomes, the more barriers we erect between ourselves, nature, and necessarily reprisal for stupidity and lies. As an advanced society embraces more foolishness and lies, it'll slowly, at first, destroy it self. The more foolishness and lies, and the greater they're embraced, the quicker the society will destroy itself. Once society collapses, the conditions which enabled people to embrace foolishness and lies disappears, the barriers disappear. Nature and rightful punishment regain hold. Life becomes harder, and reteaches the same lessons our ancestors understood, lessons which were abandoned for easy and comfortable lies and falsehoods.
Thus, the obsession with pushing women into majority male hobbies, and feminism in general, will disappear when society deteriorates and life becomes harder (which it already is), and completely when society collapses.
It wont wane, marxists goal is to subvert all institutions by whatever means necessary. Using Women is just an easy tool, and leftists like to win so they don't stop doing this that work.
Only so long as male hobbies have some sort of value. You don't see any push to get women in as sewrage workers or garbage collectors do you? It's because those are loser status jobs that have no "value" in women's eyes.
Since everything else has already been said I would get the girls into clone wars, it's still genuenly good Star Wars. If you want to gift some EU books what was your plan? I loved the darth bane trilogy a lot but I don't know if girls will be too much into that. I am just curious as I have not read a lot of them and I have that itch.
They liked the clone wars. I’m thinking of getting them the Jedi Academy books. Has male and female Jedi plus a Luke that actually mentors. I’m 42 and I got my first EU book in 92 when I turned 12. It was Heir to the Empire and the start of the Thrawn trilogy. Takes place about 5 years after ROTJ. Also there is Truce at Bakura which takes place literally a day after ROTJ. Since I started before prequels most of what I’ve read has been after the OT. I need to get old republic and more prequel era books. I have read Kenobi which is what the show should’ve done. Also the Han Solo trilogy is good. There is a ton out there but there is also a timeline you can follow. I love it but all isn’t great however I feel it’s better than what Disney has made. Plus Luke isn’t a bitter hermit.
I forgot that he's got a trilogy, probably have to check them out now.
I didn't even know one existed, I've not looked too far into all those books, I loved Han Solo in the OT so that goes on my list, thanks!
Still the biggest betrayal in my mind and why I just cannot forgive Disney...think the only thing that would make me forgive them if they kicked out KK and she got blacklisted in the industry.
But if you want to DM I can get into more EU depth. I love it. Along with episodes 1-6 and both clone wars
It will go away for another grift is my guess.
Only when their sadism abates.
Probably never.
It will wane when it is met with force from men. And I don't mean nerds voicing their opposition, I mean men as a whole, saying enough.
Unfortunately, the supply of simps and normies is unending, and they will always buckle to female pressure.
Only when the men in those spaces kick out the "men" that let them in.