Vania Rolon, co-author and statistics analyzer, said the research team found incels score a higher tendency for interpersonal victimhood.
“(Interpersonal victimhood) is this idea that you are a victim, that the world keeps wronging you and no one takes your struggle seriously,” Rolon said.
Is strange someone would admit it. Is hard to find anything they apply to incels that does not apply to women. The fear men will rape them and that the world is filled with glass ceilings.
The only difference is that women are being pampered by society while incels are demonized.
The number of incels will only continue to grow as the level of female hypergamy only continues to increase. Gen Z women might surprisingly be even worse than millenial women when it comes to hypergamy.
The truth is that all young women and many older women score high on interpersonal victimhood.
The only difference is that society is very gynocentric so woman are universally praised for exhibiting interpersonal victimhood while men are outright mocked and shamed if they do so.
Western society is vile in that it judges the entire value of men on how much sex they are having. So many incels have serious mental health problems because they feel immensely frustrated that they are having no sex at all
The red pill movement attempted to help incels increase their sexual marketplace value.
It may have helped a few incels break out of inceldom but for many, self development is just not going to change their overall position thanks to hypergamy.
Societal instability will accelerate as more and more men are relegated to being incels.
The only difference is that society is very gynocentric so woman are universally praised for exhibiting interpersonal victimhood while men are outright mocked and shamed if they do so.
Straight, White men are shamed for doing so.
Black man has interpersonal victimhood? Das right!
Jewish man has interpersonal victimhood? Of course! Look at history. Jewish people are ALWAYS victimized.
Gay man has interpersonal victimhood? Makes sense, look at what "the community" has been through.
Not disagreeing that women don't get MORE of a pass than the men of their respective groups but society does extend this sympathy to SOME men.
but all preferential treatment ends when an individual of a protected group is an incel
Not if the dude in question is pretending to be a woman. Like all crimes against feminism it's only a problem for them if the perp in lower on the progressive pecking order than the victim.
Look at the adjectives you had to put before the word man. Those are what do it, not because they are men. I would argue that they still get less sympathy than women even with these adjectives.
Societal instability will accelerate as more and more men are relegated to being incels.
This point needs to be given a great deal more attention than it gets. When men have no prospects, they have no reason to put in any effort or contribute. Society will fall apart if enough men stop contributing, but no one seems to be concerned about that.
I disagree that it's women's hypergamy increasing, rather I would posit that it's no longer subject to any culturally imposed limitations. This is obviously going to lead to disaster, but the cultural attitude now is that ever telling a woman "no" is a sin. Society is going to go up in flames before this all corrected and it keeps me up at night.
Do you know any Gen Z girls? Hypergamy has reached critical mass among this age cohort.
They are some of the most entitled, hypocritical, narcissistic, indoctrinated and just downright vile human beings ever to live.
If your only options are dating and God forbid then marrying one of these girls versus being a depressed incel, being a depressed incel doesn't seem that bad in comparison.
You are absolutely correct about the severe magnitude of the overall societal threat that the rise in the incel phenomenon presents.
I am definitely not looking forward to what inevitably will happen in the future.
Hypergamy has reached critical mass among this age cohort.
Yes, but as u/MargarineMongoose is saying it's because what's left of the cultural structure that kept female hypergamy in check has broken down. Biologically they're no different than women of previous generations. What is different is that there's no longer any disincentive for their Chad chasing. It's yet another symptom of our rapidly rotting culture.
I would posit that women's hypergamy is a constant and that the girls you describe simply have had zero cultural messaging that would influence them in the direction of curbing it. Prior generations had more messaging in that regard, even millenials had some lingering societal sentiments filtering in that "hey, sleeping around and being disloyal at the first opportunity isn't a good thing". Gen Z? I doubt they've even heard of such concepts growing up, so the raw female instinct to always ditch your man for a better one is now manifesting in full.
But yeah, shit is absolutely fucked and I suspect there will be entire generations ruined before the issue starts being addressed.
Sometimes I wish I was a gen Z guy, only because getting my dick sucked would be much more common than it was in my youth. I have heard that gen Z girls don't consider blow jobs sex.
This is only true if you're a Chad. They're absolute sluts for Chad and Tyrone but the average guy has it way worse than the average guy of 20 years ago
I don't see a breakdown by sex in that study. If 80 to 90 percent of men are being left out in the cold the numbers are going to go down regardless of what women are doing. The numbers are completely consistent with women spurning anyone who isn't Chad or Tyrone and riding the cock carousel in their youth.
Please note I'm not discounting these studies out of hand, because data are data
The first article is basically citing a survey done by someone named Debby Herbenick who seems to be the same kind of pseudo-academic media slut we've seen all throughout the Plandemic.
Also, the way she speaks about her research raises an eyebrow:
"People who study adolescence and adulthood, many of us have seen an overall delay, right?” she says. “Like teenagers are taking longer now to get their first driver's license. So it's not even just about sex. Like there's not as much drinking alcohol."
Far be it for me to criticize the way someone speaks, but this is not the way I would speak about my own research and it is not the way I want other researchers talking about their research. It sounds unprofessional and flimsy.
My last big criticism is that she doesn't seem to care much about the implications. This is consistent with my hypothesis that academics are completely blind to Western Civilization hurtling off a cliff.
Second article... oh, it's this lady again with the same data. Not really a second source.
Honestly these data could suggest that Hypergamy is actually out of control, not the opposite. Instead of low-status males getting left out in the cold (incels), now you're seeing low-status and medium-low status males as well as low-status females.
IMO, the problems we see with boys and men are merely the canary in the coal mine. Feminist/Leftist policies are disastrous for everyone eventually.
Funny -- it's been a decade but yet I believe that was the same conclusion I reached as a 2nd year graduate student in Sociology -- I resigned and left academia, convinced that the esoteric bullshit would take a little bit longer to take root.
This ideology is a one way trip over the precipice - and nothing has changed my mind.
It only got accelerated because social media allowed it and didn't enforce the kind of MUH DISINFORMATION policies it does against right wing ideology.
Imagine if we had a social media that actually suppressed/controlled far left grievance politics cult like ideology spam instead of openly supporting and allowing it.
After November's sham election I'm ready for the collapse, and the growing number of incels is probably what's going to tip us over edge. It's going to be glorious watching these pampered leftists get kicked off their thrones and have to fend for themselves for once in their lives.
Can someone define what an Incel is? Or what they used to define Incel in this study?
A lot of my single friends and myself included refer to ourselves as Incels but all of us can have sex if we wanted to and some do. All we have to do is lower our standards, which from time-to-time we do. Or we just pay for it.
Is Incel just a new disparaging term for single men? Are Incels anything more than single men? Single men who refuse to lower their standards? I have more respect for them than myself. When I sleep with a woman I have to lower my standards for, I feel dirty. It's humiliating to myself and just makes my depression worse. Every time I cave and do it, I swear to myself I won't do it again because of how terrible the sex makes me feel when I have to lower my standards; however, I could never have sex with a woman who met my standards without paying for it so does that make me an Incel then?
I'm not reading any bullshit study on "incels" but I would hope they define their terms somewhere. It sounds like they mean "Young men who are sexually frustrated enough that it psychologically manifests in other aspects of their life."
It's a terrible idea to use colloquial terms like this in so-called research because even if you (re)define it, the term is a mental shortcut loaded with connotative meanings that will differ across the audience. Even if they didn't mean it as an insult (they did) just using a label like "incel" gives the impression that it's a peculiar state-of-nature unique to these men who are separate "others" existing in isolation from society - rather than creations of society.
I believe the research itself is meant to demoralize men more. The parties researching this stuff aren't actually sympathetic and don't mean to help the men. They mean to try and find manipulative ways to change the men to accept society the way society is rather than admit the problems with society.
When feminists said society was treating women poorly, we said okay you're right, we'll change society for you. When men say society is treating them poorly, everyone says fuck you too bad Incel.
Incel is a very elastic term that changes to fit the agenda of whoever is using the label. I personally only take the label seriously when someone uses it to self identify. The feminists use it to slur anyone who doesn't buy into their bullshit. I've seen them use it to slur guys who complain about the state of the dating market even if they're perfectly capable of getting laid. They really like calling red pillers and MGTOW guys incels to slur them, even though those guys have gotten laid in the past and are often presently getting laid. They're desperately trying to shut down talk of how the game rigged against the average guy.
Is Incel just a new disparaging term for single men?
"Incel" is just the new "Loser Virgin". It's used by women to mark and denigrate men they deem undesirables. Typically it's one of the first things women use when they realize they are losing arguments, along with mocking dick size.
The whole point of it is to make you feel like less of a man because you aren't fucking like an animal all day long. All it does is reinforce the belief that a man only has any value if he has sex and if he can provide for a woman, by making her orgasm/giving her money/etc.
If you can have sex but you CHOOSE not to because of how much of a minefield it is, you're MGTOW.
If you WANT to have sex but you know you can't because you're an ugly troglodyte and you don't want to go outside or improve yourself because of it, you're an incel.
It's such a fine-line though. I can have sex but choose not to because I can't have sex with attractive enough women. The reason I can't have sex with attractive enough women is because I'm an ugly troglodye and I don't want to go outside or improve myself because I tried that before and it's too much of a minefield, not to mention I'm only an ugly trodlodyte relative to the standards women have set which is what the minefield is.
In reality, I'm probably a 6-7/10 as a man and all I want is what a 6-7/10 woman from the 1990s would have been. Unfortunately, today, 6-7/10 women are what 3-4/10 women were 30 years ago.
It flies in the face everything the left wants to believe. It basically screams 'incels are feminized men, and they can't get laid because women sense their weakness'.
Before you get any ideas - the guy spearheading the research is a PhD student... but he's doing it in evolutionary psychology. Evolutionary psychologists are actually fairly based - there's one named Gad Saad that continually harps against how unscientific and retarded leftist idpol is and how it completely goes against the way humans naturally behavior.
Who gives a shit? Incels need to quit their bitching anyway. And interest in their condition has always been a mystery to me. So there is a large group of men who can't get laid. 'Twas ever thus, only now the miracle of social media gives them a group identity so their claims of victimhood might garner some sympathy. But will that sympathy get them any non-commercial sex? And, come to think of it, why aren't incels a boon to the prostitution racket? If I was a younger man faced with a barren or nonexistent sex life, I would be spending a good part of my income on whores, dampening the urge to bitch about my condition. Maybe free online porn has taken the gumption out of these whiners, weakening their urge to pursue women..
Voluntary celibates' reasons for deliberately avoiding sex are much more interesting.
I kind of agree but I think you got it backwards man. Some guys still wear it as a badge of identity but incel is nothing but an insult meant to disparage these men as weirdo others, not part of healthy society. Then we can conveniently blame them for various problems in the world like misogyny, school shootings, and Trump. They're almost always loser White males as well. Not really but that's a useful connotation.
Even where it's used as self-identity, it's more like self-pity and a form of commiseration where guys get together to complain about women. They don't wear it with Pride in public and demand special treatment like a stunning and brave lesbian latinx transgender woman. Incels are only treated with scorn and shame. Calling someone incel is like "VIIIRGIINNN!" on steroids.
Maybe free online porn has taken the gumption out of these whiners, weakening their urge to pursue women..
That is certainly part of it. At the same time the few "winners" who stay in the game benefited from the oversexualization of society feeding into female hypergamy, making it even more difficult for the "whiners". The rich get richer. I don't think prostitution helps because it's illegal in most places and has a stigma attached, though perhaps less than being incel. There's a lot of people who will say if you had to hire a whore you're still an incel.
Well, this take makes me a bit more sympathetic to the "group." In fact, to call them a group is to fall victim to a stupid online abstraction, so I thank you for squaring me away on that score. I'm not surprised that the thing began as a reaction to social stigma, to online dogpiling.
As far as I can tell, giving incels an identity was under the assumption that incels were right-wing and it was used as a insult.
Hence why this is interesting as it shows that is more left-wing then right-wing.
Who gives a shit? Incels need to quit their bitching anyway.
They need to come up with solutions to their predicament for sure. Now that I think of it bitching about something without trying to solve the problem is feminine behavior, and that's probably a factor in why they can't laid.
And interest in their condition has always been a mystery to me.
The left needs a boogeyman to justify their attempts to seize totalitarian control of men's lives. Our side talks about it because if a man has no stake in society he has no incentive to contribute. If their numbers stay small enough it's a nonissue, but their numbers are exploding thanks to the breakdown of social norms that restrain female hypergamy. The whole thing is going to come crashing down if the problem isn't fixed. Chad and Tyrone can't keep society going on their own.
You're not being fair, but you're right. The insurmountable wall for men's issues is that life isn't fair, and nobody gives a shit about you. For men, you are what you can provide.
I suspect incels don't pay for sex because it's not solely sex that they want.
Is strange someone would admit it. Is hard to find anything they apply to incels that does not apply to women. The fear men will rape them and that the world is filled with glass ceilings.
The only difference is that women are being pampered by society while incels are demonized.
The number of incels will only continue to grow as the level of female hypergamy only continues to increase. Gen Z women might surprisingly be even worse than millenial women when it comes to hypergamy.
The truth is that all young women and many older women score high on interpersonal victimhood.
The only difference is that society is very gynocentric so woman are universally praised for exhibiting interpersonal victimhood while men are outright mocked and shamed if they do so.
Western society is vile in that it judges the entire value of men on how much sex they are having. So many incels have serious mental health problems because they feel immensely frustrated that they are having no sex at all
The red pill movement attempted to help incels increase their sexual marketplace value. It may have helped a few incels break out of inceldom but for many, self development is just not going to change their overall position thanks to hypergamy.
Societal instability will accelerate as more and more men are relegated to being incels.
Straight, White men are shamed for doing so.
Black man has interpersonal victimhood? Das right!
Jewish man has interpersonal victimhood? Of course! Look at history. Jewish people are ALWAYS victimized.
Gay man has interpersonal victimhood? Makes sense, look at what "the community" has been through.
Not disagreeing that women don't get MORE of a pass than the men of their respective groups but society does extend this sympathy to SOME men.
Important to realize how certain male victimhood is allowed. It is allowed if it is about being a member of a protected group.
If it is about being an incel, good luck with that!
A black incel or a Jewish incel is not going to be receiving any sympathy just like how a White incel is not going to be receiving any sympathy.
Yes certain groups are treated differently than Whites but all preferential treatment ends when an individual of a protected group is an incel.
Being an incel overrides one's protected group status.
Not if the dude in question is pretending to be a woman. Like all crimes against feminism it's only a problem for them if the perp in lower on the progressive pecking order than the victim.
Look at the adjectives you had to put before the word man. Those are what do it, not because they are men. I would argue that they still get less sympathy than women even with these adjectives.
This point needs to be given a great deal more attention than it gets. When men have no prospects, they have no reason to put in any effort or contribute. Society will fall apart if enough men stop contributing, but no one seems to be concerned about that.
I disagree that it's women's hypergamy increasing, rather I would posit that it's no longer subject to any culturally imposed limitations. This is obviously going to lead to disaster, but the cultural attitude now is that ever telling a woman "no" is a sin. Society is going to go up in flames before this all corrected and it keeps me up at night.
Do you know any Gen Z girls? Hypergamy has reached critical mass among this age cohort.
They are some of the most entitled, hypocritical, narcissistic, indoctrinated and just downright vile human beings ever to live.
If your only options are dating and God forbid then marrying one of these girls versus being a depressed incel, being a depressed incel doesn't seem that bad in comparison.
You are absolutely correct about the severe magnitude of the overall societal threat that the rise in the incel phenomenon presents.
I am definitely not looking forward to what inevitably will happen in the future.
I have several gen Z nieces and each one is becoming exactly as you described.
Do me a favor and slap your brothers and sisters who are raising your nieces to be idiots in the face.
Yes, but as u/MargarineMongoose is saying it's because what's left of the cultural structure that kept female hypergamy in check has broken down. Biologically they're no different than women of previous generations. What is different is that there's no longer any disincentive for their Chad chasing. It's yet another symptom of our rapidly rotting culture.
I would posit that women's hypergamy is a constant and that the girls you describe simply have had zero cultural messaging that would influence them in the direction of curbing it. Prior generations had more messaging in that regard, even millenials had some lingering societal sentiments filtering in that "hey, sleeping around and being disloyal at the first opportunity isn't a good thing". Gen Z? I doubt they've even heard of such concepts growing up, so the raw female instinct to always ditch your man for a better one is now manifesting in full.
But yeah, shit is absolutely fucked and I suspect there will be entire generations ruined before the issue starts being addressed.
Sometimes I wish I was a gen Z guy, only because getting my dick sucked would be much more common than it was in my youth. I have heard that gen Z girls don't consider blow jobs sex.
TBH, with the way that gen Z is, you’d probably be more likely offered blowies from dudes.
This is only true if you're a Chad. They're absolute sluts for Chad and Tyrone but the average guy has it way worse than the average guy of 20 years ago
The problem is that Gen Z girl will then post something 3 years from now saying you raped them because you let them give you a handy. Fuck that.
I don’t think that that is actually true. Studies seem to indicate that young people are actually having less sex in general.
I don't see a breakdown by sex in that study. If 80 to 90 percent of men are being left out in the cold the numbers are going to go down regardless of what women are doing. The numbers are completely consistent with women spurning anyone who isn't Chad or Tyrone and riding the cock carousel in their youth.
The top 20% of men can set up regular rotations with dating apps and the rest are stuck trying to hit an ultra rare gacha pull.
Please note I'm not discounting these studies out of hand, because data are data
The first article is basically citing a survey done by someone named Debby Herbenick who seems to be the same kind of pseudo-academic media slut we've seen all throughout the Plandemic.
Also, the way she speaks about her research raises an eyebrow:
Far be it for me to criticize the way someone speaks, but this is not the way I would speak about my own research and it is not the way I want other researchers talking about their research. It sounds unprofessional and flimsy.
My last big criticism is that she doesn't seem to care much about the implications. This is consistent with my hypothesis that academics are completely blind to Western Civilization hurtling off a cliff.
Second article... oh, it's this lady again with the same data. Not really a second source.
Honestly these data could suggest that Hypergamy is actually out of control, not the opposite. Instead of low-status males getting left out in the cold (incels), now you're seeing low-status and medium-low status males as well as low-status females.
IMO, the problems we see with boys and men are merely the canary in the coal mine. Feminist/Leftist policies are disastrous for everyone eventually.
Funny -- it's been a decade but yet I believe that was the same conclusion I reached as a 2nd year graduate student in Sociology -- I resigned and left academia, convinced that the esoteric bullshit would take a little bit longer to take root.
This ideology is a one way trip over the precipice - and nothing has changed my mind.
It only got accelerated because social media allowed it and didn't enforce the kind of MUH DISINFORMATION policies it does against right wing ideology.
Imagine if we had a social media that actually suppressed/controlled far left grievance politics cult like ideology spam instead of openly supporting and allowing it.
https://brighteyes.substack.com/p/the-fuck-rate-is-about-to-implode
Thanks for linking this!
This guy sums up the currently looming shitshow perfectly.
After November's sham election I'm ready for the collapse, and the growing number of incels is probably what's going to tip us over edge. It's going to be glorious watching these pampered leftists get kicked off their thrones and have to fend for themselves for once in their lives.
That's pretty funny. I'm also stunned they'd publish that more incels lean left than right.
Anyone with knowledge of the subs they had on reddit could have told you that. They had a massive overlap with r/politics
The number of "incels" were drastically smaller 25 years ago. Most older men in the west are likely to be married or divorced.
Young men make up a large portion of overall incels and young men in general lean more to the political left than the right.
I am not surprised by the findings.
Sure. And I know about Bunkerchan and ResetERA and places like that, these people aren't exactly winners. I'm just surprised they'd admit it.
Imagine the average lefty. Now think about how attractive the average lefty is to women.
Relevant
Soy is repulsive to women. So is simping. It's little wonder that incels tend to be leftists.
The incel to trans pipeline is real.
Look up the researcher's background. He's in Evo Psych. Evo Psych grads are pretty based.
Pretty much the definition of being male in today's society.
Especially a white male. It's even worse if you're also straight.
Can someone define what an Incel is? Or what they used to define Incel in this study?
A lot of my single friends and myself included refer to ourselves as Incels but all of us can have sex if we wanted to and some do. All we have to do is lower our standards, which from time-to-time we do. Or we just pay for it.
Is Incel just a new disparaging term for single men? Are Incels anything more than single men? Single men who refuse to lower their standards? I have more respect for them than myself. When I sleep with a woman I have to lower my standards for, I feel dirty. It's humiliating to myself and just makes my depression worse. Every time I cave and do it, I swear to myself I won't do it again because of how terrible the sex makes me feel when I have to lower my standards; however, I could never have sex with a woman who met my standards without paying for it so does that make me an Incel then?
I'm not reading any bullshit study on "incels" but I would hope they define their terms somewhere. It sounds like they mean "Young men who are sexually frustrated enough that it psychologically manifests in other aspects of their life."
It's a terrible idea to use colloquial terms like this in so-called research because even if you (re)define it, the term is a mental shortcut loaded with connotative meanings that will differ across the audience. Even if they didn't mean it as an insult (they did) just using a label like "incel" gives the impression that it's a peculiar state-of-nature unique to these men who are separate "others" existing in isolation from society - rather than creations of society.
I believe the research itself is meant to demoralize men more. The parties researching this stuff aren't actually sympathetic and don't mean to help the men. They mean to try and find manipulative ways to change the men to accept society the way society is rather than admit the problems with society.
When feminists said society was treating women poorly, we said okay you're right, we'll change society for you. When men say society is treating them poorly, everyone says fuck you too bad Incel.
Incel is a very elastic term that changes to fit the agenda of whoever is using the label. I personally only take the label seriously when someone uses it to self identify. The feminists use it to slur anyone who doesn't buy into their bullshit. I've seen them use it to slur guys who complain about the state of the dating market even if they're perfectly capable of getting laid. They really like calling red pillers and MGTOW guys incels to slur them, even though those guys have gotten laid in the past and are often presently getting laid. They're desperately trying to shut down talk of how the game rigged against the average guy.
"Incel" is just the new "Loser Virgin". It's used by women to mark and denigrate men they deem undesirables. Typically it's one of the first things women use when they realize they are losing arguments, along with mocking dick size.
The whole point of it is to make you feel like less of a man because you aren't fucking like an animal all day long. All it does is reinforce the belief that a man only has any value if he has sex and if he can provide for a woman, by making her orgasm/giving her money/etc.
If you can have sex but you CHOOSE not to because of how much of a minefield it is, you're MGTOW.
If you WANT to have sex but you know you can't because you're an ugly troglodyte and you don't want to go outside or improve yourself because of it, you're an incel.
It's such a fine-line though. I can have sex but choose not to because I can't have sex with attractive enough women. The reason I can't have sex with attractive enough women is because I'm an ugly troglodye and I don't want to go outside or improve myself because I tried that before and it's too much of a minefield, not to mention I'm only an ugly trodlodyte relative to the standards women have set which is what the minefield is.
In reality, I'm probably a 6-7/10 as a man and all I want is what a 6-7/10 woman from the 1990s would have been. Unfortunately, today, 6-7/10 women are what 3-4/10 women were 30 years ago.
I'm amazed they dared publish this.
It flies in the face everything the left wants to believe. It basically screams 'incels are feminized men, and they can't get laid because women sense their weakness'.
Before you get any ideas - the guy spearheading the research is a PhD student... but he's doing it in evolutionary psychology. Evolutionary psychologists are actually fairly based - there's one named Gad Saad that continually harps against how unscientific and retarded leftist idpol is and how it completely goes against the way humans naturally behavior.
Who gives a shit? Incels need to quit their bitching anyway. And interest in their condition has always been a mystery to me. So there is a large group of men who can't get laid. 'Twas ever thus, only now the miracle of social media gives them a group identity so their claims of victimhood might garner some sympathy. But will that sympathy get them any non-commercial sex? And, come to think of it, why aren't incels a boon to the prostitution racket? If I was a younger man faced with a barren or nonexistent sex life, I would be spending a good part of my income on whores, dampening the urge to bitch about my condition. Maybe free online porn has taken the gumption out of these whiners, weakening their urge to pursue women..
Voluntary celibates' reasons for deliberately avoiding sex are much more interesting.
I kind of agree but I think you got it backwards man. Some guys still wear it as a badge of identity but incel is nothing but an insult meant to disparage these men as weirdo others, not part of healthy society. Then we can conveniently blame them for various problems in the world like misogyny, school shootings, and Trump. They're almost always loser White males as well. Not really but that's a useful connotation.
Even where it's used as self-identity, it's more like self-pity and a form of commiseration where guys get together to complain about women. They don't wear it with Pride in public and demand special treatment like a stunning and brave lesbian latinx transgender woman. Incels are only treated with scorn and shame. Calling someone incel is like "VIIIRGIINNN!" on steroids.
That is certainly part of it. At the same time the few "winners" who stay in the game benefited from the oversexualization of society feeding into female hypergamy, making it even more difficult for the "whiners". The rich get richer. I don't think prostitution helps because it's illegal in most places and has a stigma attached, though perhaps less than being incel. There's a lot of people who will say if you had to hire a whore you're still an incel.
Well, this take makes me a bit more sympathetic to the "group." In fact, to call them a group is to fall victim to a stupid online abstraction, so I thank you for squaring me away on that score. I'm not surprised that the thing began as a reaction to social stigma, to online dogpiling.
As far as I can tell, giving incels an identity was under the assumption that incels were right-wing and it was used as a insult. Hence why this is interesting as it shows that is more left-wing then right-wing.
That figures. So is all this discussion of "incels" as a bloc total bullshit? Is this not really a social trend? I would not be surprised.
They need to come up with solutions to their predicament for sure. Now that I think of it bitching about something without trying to solve the problem is feminine behavior, and that's probably a factor in why they can't laid.
The left needs a boogeyman to justify their attempts to seize totalitarian control of men's lives. Our side talks about it because if a man has no stake in society he has no incentive to contribute. If their numbers stay small enough it's a nonissue, but their numbers are exploding thanks to the breakdown of social norms that restrain female hypergamy. The whole thing is going to come crashing down if the problem isn't fixed. Chad and Tyrone can't keep society going on their own.
You're not being fair, but you're right. The insurmountable wall for men's issues is that life isn't fair, and nobody gives a shit about you. For men, you are what you can provide.
I suspect incels don't pay for sex because it's not solely sex that they want.