Societal instability will accelerate as more and more men are relegated to being incels.
This point needs to be given a great deal more attention than it gets. When men have no prospects, they have no reason to put in any effort or contribute. Society will fall apart if enough men stop contributing, but no one seems to be concerned about that.
I disagree that it's women's hypergamy increasing, rather I would posit that it's no longer subject to any culturally imposed limitations. This is obviously going to lead to disaster, but the cultural attitude now is that ever telling a woman "no" is a sin. Society is going to go up in flames before this all corrected and it keeps me up at night.
Do you know any Gen Z girls? Hypergamy has reached critical mass among this age cohort.
They are some of the most entitled, hypocritical, narcissistic, indoctrinated and just downright vile human beings ever to live.
If your only options are dating and God forbid then marrying one of these girls versus being a depressed incel, being a depressed incel doesn't seem that bad in comparison.
You are absolutely correct about the severe magnitude of the overall societal threat that the rise in the incel phenomenon presents.
I am definitely not looking forward to what inevitably will happen in the future.
Hypergamy has reached critical mass among this age cohort.
Yes, but as u/MargarineMongoose is saying it's because what's left of the cultural structure that kept female hypergamy in check has broken down. Biologically they're no different than women of previous generations. What is different is that there's no longer any disincentive for their Chad chasing. It's yet another symptom of our rapidly rotting culture.
I would posit that women's hypergamy is a constant and that the girls you describe simply have had zero cultural messaging that would influence them in the direction of curbing it. Prior generations had more messaging in that regard, even millenials had some lingering societal sentiments filtering in that "hey, sleeping around and being disloyal at the first opportunity isn't a good thing". Gen Z? I doubt they've even heard of such concepts growing up, so the raw female instinct to always ditch your man for a better one is now manifesting in full.
But yeah, shit is absolutely fucked and I suspect there will be entire generations ruined before the issue starts being addressed.
Sometimes I wish I was a gen Z guy, only because getting my dick sucked would be much more common than it was in my youth. I have heard that gen Z girls don't consider blow jobs sex.
This is only true if you're a Chad. They're absolute sluts for Chad and Tyrone but the average guy has it way worse than the average guy of 20 years ago
I don't see a breakdown by sex in that study. If 80 to 90 percent of men are being left out in the cold the numbers are going to go down regardless of what women are doing. The numbers are completely consistent with women spurning anyone who isn't Chad or Tyrone and riding the cock carousel in their youth.
Please note I'm not discounting these studies out of hand, because data are data
The first article is basically citing a survey done by someone named Debby Herbenick who seems to be the same kind of pseudo-academic media slut we've seen all throughout the Plandemic.
Also, the way she speaks about her research raises an eyebrow:
"People who study adolescence and adulthood, many of us have seen an overall delay, right?” she says. “Like teenagers are taking longer now to get their first driver's license. So it's not even just about sex. Like there's not as much drinking alcohol."
Far be it for me to criticize the way someone speaks, but this is not the way I would speak about my own research and it is not the way I want other researchers talking about their research. It sounds unprofessional and flimsy.
My last big criticism is that she doesn't seem to care much about the implications. This is consistent with my hypothesis that academics are completely blind to Western Civilization hurtling off a cliff.
Second article... oh, it's this lady again with the same data. Not really a second source.
Honestly these data could suggest that Hypergamy is actually out of control, not the opposite. Instead of low-status males getting left out in the cold (incels), now you're seeing low-status and medium-low status males as well as low-status females.
IMO, the problems we see with boys and men are merely the canary in the coal mine. Feminist/Leftist policies are disastrous for everyone eventually.
Funny -- it's been a decade but yet I believe that was the same conclusion I reached as a 2nd year graduate student in Sociology -- I resigned and left academia, convinced that the esoteric bullshit would take a little bit longer to take root.
This ideology is a one way trip over the precipice - and nothing has changed my mind.
It only got accelerated because social media allowed it and didn't enforce the kind of MUH DISINFORMATION policies it does against right wing ideology.
Imagine if we had a social media that actually suppressed/controlled far left grievance politics cult like ideology spam instead of openly supporting and allowing it.
This point needs to be given a great deal more attention than it gets. When men have no prospects, they have no reason to put in any effort or contribute. Society will fall apart if enough men stop contributing, but no one seems to be concerned about that.
I disagree that it's women's hypergamy increasing, rather I would posit that it's no longer subject to any culturally imposed limitations. This is obviously going to lead to disaster, but the cultural attitude now is that ever telling a woman "no" is a sin. Society is going to go up in flames before this all corrected and it keeps me up at night.
Do you know any Gen Z girls? Hypergamy has reached critical mass among this age cohort.
They are some of the most entitled, hypocritical, narcissistic, indoctrinated and just downright vile human beings ever to live.
If your only options are dating and God forbid then marrying one of these girls versus being a depressed incel, being a depressed incel doesn't seem that bad in comparison.
You are absolutely correct about the severe magnitude of the overall societal threat that the rise in the incel phenomenon presents.
I am definitely not looking forward to what inevitably will happen in the future.
I have several gen Z nieces and each one is becoming exactly as you described.
Do me a favor and slap your brothers and sisters who are raising your nieces to be idiots in the face.
Yes, but as u/MargarineMongoose is saying it's because what's left of the cultural structure that kept female hypergamy in check has broken down. Biologically they're no different than women of previous generations. What is different is that there's no longer any disincentive for their Chad chasing. It's yet another symptom of our rapidly rotting culture.
I would posit that women's hypergamy is a constant and that the girls you describe simply have had zero cultural messaging that would influence them in the direction of curbing it. Prior generations had more messaging in that regard, even millenials had some lingering societal sentiments filtering in that "hey, sleeping around and being disloyal at the first opportunity isn't a good thing". Gen Z? I doubt they've even heard of such concepts growing up, so the raw female instinct to always ditch your man for a better one is now manifesting in full.
But yeah, shit is absolutely fucked and I suspect there will be entire generations ruined before the issue starts being addressed.
Sometimes I wish I was a gen Z guy, only because getting my dick sucked would be much more common than it was in my youth. I have heard that gen Z girls don't consider blow jobs sex.
TBH, with the way that gen Z is, you’d probably be more likely offered blowies from dudes.
This is only true if you're a Chad. They're absolute sluts for Chad and Tyrone but the average guy has it way worse than the average guy of 20 years ago
The problem is that Gen Z girl will then post something 3 years from now saying you raped them because you let them give you a handy. Fuck that.
I don’t think that that is actually true. Studies seem to indicate that young people are actually having less sex in general.
I don't see a breakdown by sex in that study. If 80 to 90 percent of men are being left out in the cold the numbers are going to go down regardless of what women are doing. The numbers are completely consistent with women spurning anyone who isn't Chad or Tyrone and riding the cock carousel in their youth.
The top 20% of men can set up regular rotations with dating apps and the rest are stuck trying to hit an ultra rare gacha pull.
Please note I'm not discounting these studies out of hand, because data are data
The first article is basically citing a survey done by someone named Debby Herbenick who seems to be the same kind of pseudo-academic media slut we've seen all throughout the Plandemic.
Also, the way she speaks about her research raises an eyebrow:
Far be it for me to criticize the way someone speaks, but this is not the way I would speak about my own research and it is not the way I want other researchers talking about their research. It sounds unprofessional and flimsy.
My last big criticism is that she doesn't seem to care much about the implications. This is consistent with my hypothesis that academics are completely blind to Western Civilization hurtling off a cliff.
Second article... oh, it's this lady again with the same data. Not really a second source.
Honestly these data could suggest that Hypergamy is actually out of control, not the opposite. Instead of low-status males getting left out in the cold (incels), now you're seeing low-status and medium-low status males as well as low-status females.
IMO, the problems we see with boys and men are merely the canary in the coal mine. Feminist/Leftist policies are disastrous for everyone eventually.
Funny -- it's been a decade but yet I believe that was the same conclusion I reached as a 2nd year graduate student in Sociology -- I resigned and left academia, convinced that the esoteric bullshit would take a little bit longer to take root.
This ideology is a one way trip over the precipice - and nothing has changed my mind.
It only got accelerated because social media allowed it and didn't enforce the kind of MUH DISINFORMATION policies it does against right wing ideology.
Imagine if we had a social media that actually suppressed/controlled far left grievance politics cult like ideology spam instead of openly supporting and allowing it.