Who gives a shit? Incels need to quit their bitching anyway. And interest in their condition has always been a mystery to me. So there is a large group of men who can't get laid. 'Twas ever thus, only now the miracle of social media gives them a group identity so their claims of victimhood might garner some sympathy. But will that sympathy get them any non-commercial sex? And, come to think of it, why aren't incels a boon to the prostitution racket? If I was a younger man faced with a barren or nonexistent sex life, I would be spending a good part of my income on whores, dampening the urge to bitch about my condition. Maybe free online porn has taken the gumption out of these whiners, weakening their urge to pursue women..
Voluntary celibates' reasons for deliberately avoiding sex are much more interesting.
I kind of agree but I think you got it backwards man. Some guys still wear it as a badge of identity but incel is nothing but an insult meant to disparage these men as weirdo others, not part of healthy society. Then we can conveniently blame them for various problems in the world like misogyny, school shootings, and Trump. They're almost always loser White males as well. Not really but that's a useful connotation.
Even where it's used as self-identity, it's more like self-pity and a form of commiseration where guys get together to complain about women. They don't wear it with Pride in public and demand special treatment like a stunning and brave lesbian latinx transgender woman. Incels are only treated with scorn and shame. Calling someone incel is like "VIIIRGIINNN!" on steroids.
Maybe free online porn has taken the gumption out of these whiners, weakening their urge to pursue women..
That is certainly part of it. At the same time the few "winners" who stay in the game benefited from the oversexualization of society feeding into female hypergamy, making it even more difficult for the "whiners". The rich get richer. I don't think prostitution helps because it's illegal in most places and has a stigma attached, though perhaps less than being incel. There's a lot of people who will say if you had to hire a whore you're still an incel.
Well, this take makes me a bit more sympathetic to the "group." In fact, to call them a group is to fall victim to a stupid online abstraction, so I thank you for squaring me away on that score. I'm not surprised that the thing began as a reaction to social stigma, to online dogpiling.
As far as I can tell, giving incels an identity was under the assumption that incels were right-wing and it was used as a insult.
Hence why this is interesting as it shows that is more left-wing then right-wing.
Who gives a shit? Incels need to quit their bitching anyway.
They need to come up with solutions to their predicament for sure. Now that I think of it bitching about something without trying to solve the problem is feminine behavior, and that's probably a factor in why they can't laid.
And interest in their condition has always been a mystery to me.
The left needs a boogeyman to justify their attempts to seize totalitarian control of men's lives. Our side talks about it because if a man has no stake in society he has no incentive to contribute. If their numbers stay small enough it's a nonissue, but their numbers are exploding thanks to the breakdown of social norms that restrain female hypergamy. The whole thing is going to come crashing down if the problem isn't fixed. Chad and Tyrone can't keep society going on their own.
You're not being fair, but you're right. The insurmountable wall for men's issues is that life isn't fair, and nobody gives a shit about you. For men, you are what you can provide.
I suspect incels don't pay for sex because it's not solely sex that they want.
Who gives a shit? Incels need to quit their bitching anyway. And interest in their condition has always been a mystery to me. So there is a large group of men who can't get laid. 'Twas ever thus, only now the miracle of social media gives them a group identity so their claims of victimhood might garner some sympathy. But will that sympathy get them any non-commercial sex? And, come to think of it, why aren't incels a boon to the prostitution racket? If I was a younger man faced with a barren or nonexistent sex life, I would be spending a good part of my income on whores, dampening the urge to bitch about my condition. Maybe free online porn has taken the gumption out of these whiners, weakening their urge to pursue women..
Voluntary celibates' reasons for deliberately avoiding sex are much more interesting.
I kind of agree but I think you got it backwards man. Some guys still wear it as a badge of identity but incel is nothing but an insult meant to disparage these men as weirdo others, not part of healthy society. Then we can conveniently blame them for various problems in the world like misogyny, school shootings, and Trump. They're almost always loser White males as well. Not really but that's a useful connotation.
Even where it's used as self-identity, it's more like self-pity and a form of commiseration where guys get together to complain about women. They don't wear it with Pride in public and demand special treatment like a stunning and brave lesbian latinx transgender woman. Incels are only treated with scorn and shame. Calling someone incel is like "VIIIRGIINNN!" on steroids.
That is certainly part of it. At the same time the few "winners" who stay in the game benefited from the oversexualization of society feeding into female hypergamy, making it even more difficult for the "whiners". The rich get richer. I don't think prostitution helps because it's illegal in most places and has a stigma attached, though perhaps less than being incel. There's a lot of people who will say if you had to hire a whore you're still an incel.
Well, this take makes me a bit more sympathetic to the "group." In fact, to call them a group is to fall victim to a stupid online abstraction, so I thank you for squaring me away on that score. I'm not surprised that the thing began as a reaction to social stigma, to online dogpiling.
As far as I can tell, giving incels an identity was under the assumption that incels were right-wing and it was used as a insult. Hence why this is interesting as it shows that is more left-wing then right-wing.
That figures. So is all this discussion of "incels" as a bloc total bullshit? Is this not really a social trend? I would not be surprised.
They need to come up with solutions to their predicament for sure. Now that I think of it bitching about something without trying to solve the problem is feminine behavior, and that's probably a factor in why they can't laid.
The left needs a boogeyman to justify their attempts to seize totalitarian control of men's lives. Our side talks about it because if a man has no stake in society he has no incentive to contribute. If their numbers stay small enough it's a nonissue, but their numbers are exploding thanks to the breakdown of social norms that restrain female hypergamy. The whole thing is going to come crashing down if the problem isn't fixed. Chad and Tyrone can't keep society going on their own.
You're not being fair, but you're right. The insurmountable wall for men's issues is that life isn't fair, and nobody gives a shit about you. For men, you are what you can provide.
I suspect incels don't pay for sex because it's not solely sex that they want.