I didn't hate the first half of season 1 of discovery, and actually enjoyed most of season 2 not because it was good but because of how retarded it was - it was like watching a big pile of money burn
Season 3 totally lost me at the tranny wesley crusher character and its "boyfriend" that made me physically ill whenever it was on the screen
So has Star Trek gone into the nostalgia only zone like Doctor who, Lord of the Rings and Star Wars where you only talk about work to a certain point then you cut off?
I think Enterprise became the the Star Wars prequel of Star Trek, looked down on when it initially released but by hindsight and recent editions people have gone 'ok, I think we were too harsh with it'
For sure. I watched Picard and Discovery's first seasons, decided Trek was dead and went back and binge-watched the good old stuff. Enterprise really finds its feet and becomes a thoroughly enjoyable show, only to be cut short and given the most heinous ending I've ever seen.
ENT fucked around too much at times and didn't really settle on either doing "planet of the week" style episodes ala TOS and early TNG or long running arcs as later TNG moved towards, ish, and DS9 launched with.
/ugly stepchild noises in the corner coming from VOY
Part of the problems is that ENT tried both as the early seasons are very much "planet of the week" episodes introducing known races and making occasional nods towards core concepts like with Reed's "tactical alert" that was jokingly called "Reed alert" at one point and done in a way that didn't completely undermine the existing lore.
Too often in prequel material now some well known thing suddenly gets explained as being caused by some random new character, like in Star Wars Solo where
Han's entire backstory is spelled out in retard because that's the intended audience these days.
Han's name is explained for some reason.
How he gets the Falcon is explained, badly. ESB already makes it clear he gets it from Lando and there are a lot of books from the original EU that detail just how it happened but Disney had to make their own "canon" version. And it was shit.
The reason for Chewie's lifedebt is explained, again badly. EU material already exists explaining that it's because Han rescues Chewie from slavery. We didn't need it retread by Disney because they wanted to sell more toys.
And for a lot of it the reason came down to Qi'ra being the one that taught Han "how to be" which follows the modern trend of some new OC being the "real reason" for something.
One thing I think they didn't actually explain are his yellow [Second Class] and red [First Class] Corellian Bloodstripes. As of mostly EU material again these are of extreme significance to his Corellian heritage to the point that anyone found to be wearing them without having earned them could be killed on the spot by other Corellians.
Enterprise at least started small since the actual ship was the first Starfleet vessel to reach Warp 5 and travel further than any other human ship had yet, so the only existing human presence and interaction is limited.
They even start off with Enterprise only have basic pulse cannons, conventional torpedoes, a grappler hook on a winch, a barely functioning transporter, and zero backup anywhere nearby. Phasers, photon torpedoes, tractor beams, and all the other Star Trek staples come in slowly throughout the series and at times a piece at a time like with the initial phase cannons Enterprise had which were shit until they almost broke the ship powering them for a single shot.
The Xindi arc is the most DS9 that ENT gets with the entire season dedicated to a single story arc although it still did deal with the Temporal Cold War that had been introduced prior. It also imposed a limit on Enterprise in terms of the resources that were at hand. After the initial launch in season 1 Enterprise gets the go-ahead to keep exploring but can still return to Starfleet if and as needed should something arise, as is the case when the Xindi probes attacks. But during the mission to prevent the actual weapon the ship has no option to restock other than at what trade locations it might find and any crew losses are something that stick until either the mission is complete or the ship explodes. In some episodes both of those things happened.
While ENT isn't anywhere near as good as DS9, and tbh most Trek isn't, it was still better enough than the complete bullshit propaganda reels that came with STD and PIC as well as the flashy, insubstantial movies filled with lens flare and YA style relationship drama running on zero plot, zero novelty, and/or continuity.
Which at this point isn't surprising since JJ is completely devoid of creativity since both his Star Trek and Wars films are remakes.
TFA is ANH, but worse. Into Darkness is basically WoK, but again worse.
I still think Voyager was pretty great. Enterprise had problems, but it kinda seemed more like what Voyager was looking for as a setting.
Enterprise is kinda fucking harrowing. There is a constant sense of "Jesus Christ, we have no idea what we are doing, and we are way over our head. Are fucking die?"
To be honest, I think the biggest difference on why Enterprise would work more now than before is because of shit like The Walking Dead and Game of Thrones. Imagine the Enterprise, but realizing even the senior members of the crew could really, properly, fucking die. And that the mission still has to go on without them to save Earth, all while trying to keep the most rag-tag bunch of surviving misfits alive to the end of the mission.
It entered that zone in Enterprise season 4. They played nostalgia hard to try to resurrect the franchise, but too many fans had already abandoned ship during the previous three seasons.
They're all terrible. Actress for Diana Troi is a flake. Actor for Riker is a progressive hump. Patrick Stewart is a laughable kook. And the list goes on. Only one that stayed halfway normal was Shatner and perhaps Nimoy, who died before the woke madness spread. Oh, and the guy who played Chekov, otherwise known as Bester.
Dorn shows up in the most random places at times. He was briefly the POTUS in Heroes for all of like 2 scenes when Syler was trying to steal his face and take over the world.
I used to want to go to a pure Star Trek convention or go to the one in Vegas but then I saw how nu-trek turned out and the woke panels that are normal at con’s now
Star Trek has been more grievously damaged by Discovery than the cancellation of TOS was.
Star Trek survived ten years without anything but a 1 season animated series (which was probably just the writers finishing the stories they were working on) for 10 years off of re-runs and convention attendance.
I honestly don't know if it can survive Discovery.
Star Wars will because of things like The Clone Wars, The Mandalorian, Rouge One, and other demonstrations of competence.
But I don't know if Star Trek can. It may go the way of Flash Gordon, and mother of God is that a tragedy.
Thing is, my husband and I lived there for a couple of years, and we might move back when he retires in the spring, but our house buying budget is kinda bottom of the barrel, and there are towns with cheaper RE. (um, it's about 200K, tops.)
After the total garbage that was ST:D and the insult that was Picard, does anyone care about Trek anymore?
It looks like they're trying to course correct with Strange New Worlds, but I'll personally never touch anything with Alex Kurtzman's name attached.
The only entertainment that was to he gained from nu-Trek was watching Mike and Rich on RLM slowly losing the will to live as they watched this trash.
a lot of people like Strange New Worlds. I think it's mediocre just not actively horrible like Picard and Discovery.
I think Lower Decks is legitimately good now, pretty sure they use rick & morty writers for the show.
I didn't hate the first half of season 1 of discovery, and actually enjoyed most of season 2 not because it was good but because of how retarded it was - it was like watching a big pile of money burn
Season 3 totally lost me at the tranny wesley crusher character and its "boyfriend" that made me physically ill whenever it was on the screen
it's really just Rick and Morty in space then, they could've just made a generic space comedy show without the startrek brand attached to it
This is the goal. To destroy every beloved franchise and ruin culture. To turn us into a history-less people with only the now.
I've recently warmed up to Enterprise after ignoring it for two decades. That was when the franchise died.
So has Star Trek gone into the nostalgia only zone like Doctor who, Lord of the Rings and Star Wars where you only talk about work to a certain point then you cut off?
Yes
Yep. Star Trek ended after Enterprise (or DS9 for some). A lukewarm ending, but there it is. Nothing made since feels like Star Trek.
I think Enterprise became the the Star Wars prequel of Star Trek, looked down on when it initially released but by hindsight and recent editions people have gone 'ok, I think we were too harsh with it'
For sure. I watched Picard and Discovery's first seasons, decided Trek was dead and went back and binge-watched the good old stuff. Enterprise really finds its feet and becomes a thoroughly enjoyable show, only to be cut short and given the most heinous ending I've ever seen.
ENT fucked around too much at times and didn't really settle on either doing "planet of the week" style episodes ala TOS and early TNG or long running arcs as later TNG moved towards, ish, and DS9 launched with.
/ugly stepchild noises in the corner coming from VOY
Part of the problems is that ENT tried both as the early seasons are very much "planet of the week" episodes introducing known races and making occasional nods towards core concepts like with Reed's "tactical alert" that was jokingly called "Reed alert" at one point and done in a way that didn't completely undermine the existing lore. Too often in prequel material now some well known thing suddenly gets explained as being caused by some random new character, like in Star Wars Solo where
Han's entire backstory is spelled out in retard because that's the intended audience these days.
Han's name is explained for some reason.
How he gets the Falcon is explained, badly. ESB already makes it clear he gets it from Lando and there are a lot of books from the original EU that detail just how it happened but Disney had to make their own "canon" version. And it was shit.
The reason for Chewie's lifedebt is explained, again badly. EU material already exists explaining that it's because Han rescues Chewie from slavery. We didn't need it retread by Disney because they wanted to sell more toys.
And for a lot of it the reason came down to Qi'ra being the one that taught Han "how to be" which follows the modern trend of some new OC being the "real reason" for something.
One thing I think they didn't actually explain are his yellow [Second Class] and red [First Class] Corellian Bloodstripes. As of mostly EU material again these are of extreme significance to his Corellian heritage to the point that anyone found to be wearing them without having earned them could be killed on the spot by other Corellians.
Enterprise at least started small since the actual ship was the first Starfleet vessel to reach Warp 5 and travel further than any other human ship had yet, so the only existing human presence and interaction is limited. They even start off with Enterprise only have basic pulse cannons, conventional torpedoes, a grappler hook on a winch, a barely functioning transporter, and zero backup anywhere nearby. Phasers, photon torpedoes, tractor beams, and all the other Star Trek staples come in slowly throughout the series and at times a piece at a time like with the initial phase cannons Enterprise had which were shit until they almost broke the ship powering them for a single shot.
The Xindi arc is the most DS9 that ENT gets with the entire season dedicated to a single story arc although it still did deal with the Temporal Cold War that had been introduced prior. It also imposed a limit on Enterprise in terms of the resources that were at hand. After the initial launch in season 1 Enterprise gets the go-ahead to keep exploring but can still return to Starfleet if and as needed should something arise, as is the case when the Xindi probes attacks. But during the mission to prevent the actual weapon the ship has no option to restock other than at what trade locations it might find and any crew losses are something that stick until either the mission is complete or the ship explodes. In some episodes both of those things happened.
While ENT isn't anywhere near as good as DS9, and tbh most Trek isn't, it was still better enough than the complete bullshit propaganda reels that came with STD and PIC as well as the flashy, insubstantial movies filled with lens flare and YA style relationship drama running on zero plot, zero novelty, and/or continuity.
Which at this point isn't surprising since JJ is completely devoid of creativity since both his Star Trek and Wars films are remakes.
TFA is ANH, but worse. Into Darkness is basically WoK, but again worse.
I still think Voyager was pretty great. Enterprise had problems, but it kinda seemed more like what Voyager was looking for as a setting.
Enterprise is kinda fucking harrowing. There is a constant sense of "Jesus Christ, we have no idea what we are doing, and we are way over our head. Are fucking die?"
To be honest, I think the biggest difference on why Enterprise would work more now than before is because of shit like The Walking Dead and Game of Thrones. Imagine the Enterprise, but realizing even the senior members of the crew could really, properly, fucking die. And that the mission still has to go on without them to save Earth, all while trying to keep the most rag-tag bunch of surviving misfits alive to the end of the mission.
It's effectively Mass Effect 2.
Lord of the Rings will be fine no matter how much money Amazon flushes down the toilet.
It entered that zone in Enterprise season 4. They played nostalgia hard to try to resurrect the franchise, but too many fans had already abandoned ship during the previous three seasons.
This zone was entered after the movie 'reboot'
Shaka, when the walls fell.
Kek, his sides in orbit.
Koltar, when he drowned in the swamp.
Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
Sokath, his eyes opened!
the river temarc, in winter
Nice. This is the power of math, people.
I hate you for reminding me that show exists.
That bitch would never have been allowed into Starfleet in the days of TOS.
Imagine Geordi saying that.
Hell, he was a disabled black man, AND THAT WASN'T FUCKING ENOUGH
he didn't use his disability as an excuse.
hell, his disability gave him the ability to see things regular people never could.
Yeah, a great character. Shame about LeVar Burton himself, though.
I say the same thing about George Takei. I would gladly serve under a man like Hikaru Sulu. I don't want anything to do with his actor.
They're all terrible. Actress for Diana Troi is a flake. Actor for Riker is a progressive hump. Patrick Stewart is a laughable kook. And the list goes on. Only one that stayed halfway normal was Shatner and perhaps Nimoy, who died before the woke madness spread. Oh, and the guy who played Chekov, otherwise known as Bester.
Dwight Schultz (Lt. Reginald Barclay), however, is actually on our side.
He filled in for Rush Limbaugh at least twice.
Michael Dorn seems alright. He's virtue signaled some BS with the group before but I don't think he's obsessed with left-wing politics.
Dorn shows up in the most random places at times. He was briefly the POTUS in Heroes for all of like 2 scenes when Syler was trying to steal his face and take over the world.
I used to want to go to a pure Star Trek convention or go to the one in Vegas but then I saw how nu-trek turned out and the woke panels that are normal at con’s now
What's nice-tel, and what happened?
Meant to say nu-trek. Although I guess the convention wouldn’t be full of nu trek stuff
Star Trek has been more grievously damaged by Discovery than the cancellation of TOS was.
Star Trek survived ten years without anything but a 1 season animated series (which was probably just the writers finishing the stories they were working on) for 10 years off of re-runs and convention attendance.
I honestly don't know if it can survive Discovery.
Star Wars will because of things like The Clone Wars, The Mandalorian, Rouge One, and other demonstrations of competence.
But I don't know if Star Trek can. It may go the way of Flash Gordon, and mother of God is that a tragedy.
It's like Highlander.
There is no Highlander 2.
Star Trek ended with Enterprise.
Enterprise ended with the episode "Terra Prime". There is no episode 22 in the 4th season.
Honestly I prefer Flash Gordon at this point.
Dunno what year they're talking about here, but ...
https://www.spockdays.com/
The town could probably use the business. They have permission to use Star Trek stuff, but no idea what to do with it.
What, you don't think a slow pitch softball tournament sponsored by Furniture Villa captures the essence of Trek?
Oddly enough,
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Take_Me_Out_to_the_Holosuite_(episode)
LOL, good one.
Thing is, my husband and I lived there for a couple of years, and we might move back when he retires in the spring, but our house buying budget is kinda bottom of the barrel, and there are towns with cheaper RE. (um, it's about 200K, tops.)
I got to see Spock.
https://imgur.com/Au2hXIe
More pics above.
Vulcan is a nice little farming community, it's not exactly filled with trekkies. You gotta forgive them their myopic handling of the IP haha.
Here's some pics from when Nimoy visited; the town council went all out. And a bunch of Klingons came from Calgary.
https://imgur.com/7btYWW0
https://imgur.com/PJfgKmO
https://imgur.com/nsOSMTc
https://imgur.com/E45zXa9
https://imgur.com/sIMj93o
https://imgur.com/lGWfaRb
What was the real reason?
That's ok. There hasn't been any content for star trek since VOY. So it's already been out of circulation for years.
You might enjoy season 4 of Enterprise for the nostalgia bits. It serves as Trek's last desperate gasp to keep the franchise going before it ended.