I've had these redditors tell me black people couldn't own property until 1964. Literally, the 1964 Civil Rights Act doesn't do that because black people could always own property in America. Hell, prior to the Civil War, blacks could actually vote and hold office in some parts of the country, it just wasn't a nation wide thing. Also, some blacks owned slaves.
And here we see one of the pillars of leftism: teach kids that everything and everyone that came before them was not only evil, but cartoonishly so. The man isn't just a wife beater, he's not just racist, he's not just unfaithful, he's all of those things and more. Because he's from the past, and is therefore the avatar of malice.
In a world where people think this way, it's trivial to burn everything down and replace it. They'll cheer it on right up until they either starve to death or get murdered.
Those were the good times, when a woman said something irrational you gave her a quick slap to the face and she did what she was told. And kids could play outside since a lot of them weren't being groomed in schools because they were also taught how to use a gun. Sigh
Don't be so sure. If you slapped your wife there was a real chance someone would beat the shit out of you for it.
Some of y'all don't seem to understand that the mentality for a lot of people was, "There is never any circumstance where you would hit a woman." I had people tell me they'd rather just be shot by women than hit them.
Lol dude I wish you could time travel because if you got caught slapping your wife you'd get the shit beat out of you by her family or random strangers if they saw
Nothing ever is, but I still think we should have kept the 'free slap whenever she's acting crazy'
Maybe it's basic biology, but it does seem a lot of healthier relationships are when the guys are more dom and women are more submissive. This doesn't mean BDSM, she's tied to up in the bedroom but having the dad be the authority seems to have worked for centuries.
Your paycheck could provide for a family of four….. do you know how much disposable income a single man would have with inflation that low and wages that high? I’d be in a mansion of a bachelors pad.
Exactly. Even back then, the women got the kids and screwed the men over in divorces. My whore grandmother was proof of that, and this was Indiana, not some progressive hellhole.
according to leftists, prior to late 20th century, men just spent all of history beating their wives half to death until feminists told them to please stop.
This type of belief should be studied like its some kind of mythology or something.
Yea, there were good and bad times. My elderly relatives had both good and bad things to say about the 50s when I was a kid. I’d say that’s pretty accurate. I was born in 80 and I loved the 80s but I grew up in a stable two parent home and grew up in a neighborhood with lots of kids my age and watched GI Joe and Thundercats. Life was good lol
There's definitely a nostalgia factor that we all have for our childhood. That being said, I've talked with a number of people from both the Greatest Generation (adults in the 1950's) and Boomers (children in the 1950s) in the course of my life. I can't think of one that expressed a belief that life was better "today" (1990's to present, depending on time of conversation) than the 50's. That tells me something.
That’s true. And they are a much better source. I’m so sick of done Gen z writer acting like anything that happened before they were aware of things was horrible
I don't think people realized how fucking authoritarian the Greatest Generation was. They really did have absolute faith in their institutions. The Union would never betray the workers. The bank was staffed by people of only the highest character. If the government said that you needed to go to war, you did. That's not pollution, that's the smell of progress. Cigarettes aren't harmful, doctors said so. The TV Man is my friend and wouldn't lie to me. Every pastor is a pinnacle of morality.
These are people who didn't even openly rebel when FDR told them to turn over their private gold coins, and round up the japs. The first thing we think is how the government will kick down our door and put us into the camps.
Now, I grant you, those institutions were exploiting the hell out of propaganda and central control over the media. GG'ers (not to be confused with GamerGaters) didn't know any better. How could they? Who would have told them? The institutions actually did work to maintain that trust. The Union did advocate for better conditions (even if it worked with the mob). The bankers didn't blow money out their ass every second, and didn't think it was a moral imperative to cancel your deposit. The government tried to use massive projects to prove it's value, and major work programs to unify the country in some collective effort. Doctors weren't going to castrate your children, and were still living down lobotomies from the 20's & 30's. Pastors didn't sanctify Fentynal addicts as equivalent to Christ, and douse themselves in rainbow colors.
Fucking Boomers were the first generation to be much more cynical after GG'ers. Gen X was even more cynical. Millenials are the first generation to be both purely cynical, and then also absolutely trust institutions that cater to them. Institutions that aren't even pretending to act legitimate. The rest of us dissident Millennials, we're so fucking jaded that we don't even expect the courts to imprison murderers, for the prosecutors to charge them, or for the cops to even arrest them. We are probably the single most jaded and cynical generation in American history, and the Zoomers might be just as bad.
We aren't anything like the GG'ers. We aren't capable of trusting the institutions the way they did. Mostly because those institutions raped the trust that was given to them.
FFS, I tell people not to go to college. "Don't get a post-secondary education" isn't something most human civilizations have argued. But the problem is that it's good advice because the institution of higher education is so fucking poisonous that it's better not to be educated in ideology, damaged by abusive systems, and burdened with unbelievable debt.
Well, the Democrats wanted an excuse to blow up Nixon, and on the other hand Nixon betrayed a lot of trust that Republicans placed in him. Same with Rockefeller.
I grew up in a two parent home, love the 80s, and watched the same cartoons, but that's the end of the similarities. Life was still fucking better than today, even with my stable job.
Yeah I'm younger than you but I was also able to grow up around neighbors and kids my age. Even though I was dirt poor it wasn't too bad all things considered.
Does this account post straight memes from facebook and think it's some kind of own, like libsofticktock? It's a little cheesy and overdone but that is a good wholesome meme format. Only someone who is sick in the head would think otherwise.
He's married, and likely wouldn't betray his wife like that.
Misogynistic
No, actually he loves women, which was normal for most men. I don't think most men "love" women generally any more.
Homophobic
He probably didn't even know any gay men because it would have been so unheard of. He literally would have been confused by the idea.
Carcinogenic
What booster are you on again?
Racist
Justice Diversity-Hire literally argued for racial discrimination in SCOTUS. The CDC admitted that it's vaccine rollout based on racial preference would likely have been responsible for killing 5,000 white people. 2 Years ago we had 155 consecutive days of race rioting, and you're probably celebrating the "browning of America" while claiming that "replacement theory" is a conspiracy theory while demanding that whites get replaced.
You're literally far more racist than he was, even if he was a bigot.
Different, misogynistic, homophobic, carcinogenic, racist times
I sometimes wonder what it goes thru the head of this people. The picture depicts none of it so bringing this up is saying that the picture depicts something good but is not worth it because of all homophobia, racism etc. This would also imply that not being homophobic or racist is incompatible with the good values in that picture.
Ah, a time when we didn't have a "obesity" crisis killing millions and costing us billions. Lead in fumes and DDT in fertiliser, take a bow. Your kill rate has been literally dwarfed (and DDT saved more lives than it eroded; technology moves on and we found out about its possible negative effects too. Shame on the 50s for not having the technology that these redditors took no part in creating. The 2050s will probably laugh at our primitive ways too.)
The poisonous nature of lead was well known for a long time. Its continued use was due to industry and establishment control of The Science. Thank Pfizer that those days are over.
While the decade was by no means the magical fairyland that Leave It to Beaver portrayed (shit like thalidomide and the birth of the baby boomers happened around this time, after all). However, it's hard not to argue that it wasn't a decade of rapid economic progress, even if it was all downhill from there.
There's nothing wrong with that, and if you ignored the pressure you still had your freedom. Plenty of playboys and dandy's didn't get married. People might snicker and talk behind your back, or say "He's just a gay old lad." Oh boy such oppression. In America if you moved to the big city you could do what you want. We would be better off if people kept their romantic proclivities to themselves.
I think you're closer to the truth than people realize. There were a lot of unhappy marriages because people felt forced into marriage. Men out of a sense of duty and social norm. Women for resources. Women actually had all the leverage though. If a man left a woman he was forced to pay alimony. That means most relationships were female led which is horrible. No sex yet the man forces to do all the work. Women cooked at best but I imagine they barely did that and it's exaggerated. So many men were alcoholics. Why? Likely the trauma of being stuck in a marriage with a despicable woman. It honestly sounds like hell.
Of course there would be these story book perfect marriages but every era has those. You're just as likely to find those today as you were to find them in the 50s. Hypergamy was still king back then too. Women wanted to be married to the hottest rich guys and no one else.
The 50s were still gynocratic hell but with no escape for men.
If people want to go to a time that was good they need to go back to an era where women were considered property of men and it was perfectly legal to do whatever you wanted with your property. You could kill your wife for misbehaving if you wanted to and no one would bat an eye, not even her parents because she was 100% your possession and they were happy to rid of her which cost them a hefty dowry. This is the only time things were looking good for men.
Sadly, I think our current age is probably one of the best for men and worst for women. The problem is that men have been enslaved by women for most of humanity without realizing it. Women don't realize it either but that's the truth. Modernity represents the first time men can truly break free as best as possible though it's not ideal because the government still does lots to harm men. Women are worse off because for the first time they have value outside of enslaving men through labor value but all that has accomplished for women is increase their amount of work for the same share of resources.
Guys on here that romanticise the 50s need to realize that nothing about the 50s changed female behavior. Women still would holdout on providing sex in marriages unless you did what they wanted but nothing was ever good enough. Even in the 50s you couldn't rape your wife and even if you could she'd make the whole rape worse for you than her somehow. Bait you into beating her and get the simps to help her while she economically rapes you for alimony. Only really lucky men or rich and powerful, good looking men ever got what they wanted. The same as now.
You're forgetting the rise of "no-fault" divorce in the 1970s and 1980's. This was a major policy goal of the feminist movement at the time.
In the 1950's, in order to get alimony, a woman had to prove nelgect or abuse in court. And if the man could prove she cheated she would likely get nothing.
I'm also not sure when states started going to community property but most, if not all, of them back then considered wages to belong to the earner alone, not the spouse. So, a housewife who failed to prove abuse got nothing when she divorced her husband.
The nature of women may not have changed, but their ability to monkey branch and cheat without consequence absolutely has. You may have been miserable in your marriage, by the wife knew that she wasn't getting any exit prizes if she left you.
You're just proving how much women purposely caused their men to beat them. I can only imagine the horrors men would have had to endure because most men wouldn't want to leave their wives but their wives wanted to entrap their husbands in alimony. The amount of abuse men would have had to endure sounds off the charts.
I've heard many women tell their stories of domestic violence before and I roll my eyes. My parents divorced and my mom always talks about her abuse meanwhile it was my father being abused far more.
The latest eye rolling "abusive relationship" I heard was some fat cow from work talk about her last boyfriend she was engaged to who abused her. Apparently, the guy made like $300k/yr (I can confirm that's legit based on who he was and what he did for work) and she didn't work. They lived together. He'd come home from work and expect her to have dinner ready for him and if she didn't have dinner ready he'd go into a blind rage and sometimes the fighting would lead to him pushing her up against the wall or physically threatening her. He was an alcoholic and would go into blind rages at her. She showed pics of how she used to look like when they first started dating and she was this skinny looking emo girls. Very cute. Now she's this land whale pig cow thing.
Come on, I wasn't born yesterday. Clearly, she gained weight and refused to do anything for him. Wouldn't even cook his meals. She was living off his $300k/yr doing nothing. Of course he started drinking, got depressed, angry and frustrated because he had a terrible girlfriend. She literally caused the whole situation by being a fat ugly lazy land whale that couldn't even cook her fiance a meal. Yet she tells everyone he was abusive and it was all his fault.
Who's gonna tell him
What's the point?
I've had these redditors tell me black people couldn't own property until 1964. Literally, the 1964 Civil Rights Act doesn't do that because black people could always own property in America. Hell, prior to the Civil War, blacks could actually vote and hold office in some parts of the country, it just wasn't a nation wide thing. Also, some blacks owned slaves.
Normally I'd have to show them one of the single most famous pictures of Malcolm X ever taken and explain that it's his house, that he owned, with his gun, that he owned, after black nationalists in the NOI tried to kill him.
They never respond after that.
That is really weird because wasn't that scene in a famous movie with Denzel Washington? You can't convince me redditors are real people.
Pretty sure it was. I mean, why wouldn't you include it in the biopic.
Well when have leftist ever not thought that any restriction means completely banned
And here we see one of the pillars of leftism: teach kids that everything and everyone that came before them was not only evil, but cartoonishly so. The man isn't just a wife beater, he's not just racist, he's not just unfaithful, he's all of those things and more. Because he's from the past, and is therefore the avatar of malice.
In a world where people think this way, it's trivial to burn everything down and replace it. They'll cheer it on right up until they either starve to death or get murdered.
Those were the good times, when a woman said something irrational you gave her a quick slap to the face and she did what she was told. And kids could play outside since a lot of them weren't being groomed in schools because they were also taught how to use a gun. Sigh
Don't be so sure. If you slapped your wife there was a real chance someone would beat the shit out of you for it.
Some of y'all don't seem to understand that the mentality for a lot of people was, "There is never any circumstance where you would hit a woman." I had people tell me they'd rather just be shot by women than hit them.
Lol dude I wish you could time travel because if you got caught slapping your wife you'd get the shit beat out of you by her family or random strangers if they saw
You do realise I was being hyperbolic with the slapping and channelling my inner Connery with it.
Plus you focused on the slap than the whole child grooming part?
I stopped reading at the slap. Which I will admit was negligent on my part but I've see this take being used unironically far more than I'd care too.
Nothing ever is, but I still think we should have kept the 'free slap whenever she's acting crazy'
Maybe it's basic biology, but it does seem a lot of healthier relationships are when the guys are more dom and women are more submissive. This doesn't mean BDSM, she's tied to up in the bedroom but having the dad be the authority seems to have worked for centuries.
Your paycheck could provide for a family of four….. do you know how much disposable income a single man would have with inflation that low and wages that high? I’d be in a mansion of a bachelors pad.
So what? It was a damn sight better than right now.
Exactly. Even back then, the women got the kids and screwed the men over in divorces. My whore grandmother was proof of that, and this was Indiana, not some progressive hellhole.
according to leftists, prior to late 20th century, men just spent all of history beating their wives half to death until feminists told them to please stop.
This type of belief should be studied like its some kind of mythology or something.
It's non-stop self-projection from the 2nd-worst kind of women in society.
Yea, there were good and bad times. My elderly relatives had both good and bad things to say about the 50s when I was a kid. I’d say that’s pretty accurate. I was born in 80 and I loved the 80s but I grew up in a stable two parent home and grew up in a neighborhood with lots of kids my age and watched GI Joe and Thundercats. Life was good lol
There's definitely a nostalgia factor that we all have for our childhood. That being said, I've talked with a number of people from both the Greatest Generation (adults in the 1950's) and Boomers (children in the 1950s) in the course of my life. I can't think of one that expressed a belief that life was better "today" (1990's to present, depending on time of conversation) than the 50's. That tells me something.
That’s true. And they are a much better source. I’m so sick of done Gen z writer acting like anything that happened before they were aware of things was horrible
I don't think people realized how fucking authoritarian the Greatest Generation was. They really did have absolute faith in their institutions. The Union would never betray the workers. The bank was staffed by people of only the highest character. If the government said that you needed to go to war, you did. That's not pollution, that's the smell of progress. Cigarettes aren't harmful, doctors said so. The TV Man is my friend and wouldn't lie to me. Every pastor is a pinnacle of morality.
These are people who didn't even openly rebel when FDR told them to turn over their private gold coins, and round up the japs. The first thing we think is how the government will kick down our door and put us into the camps.
Now, I grant you, those institutions were exploiting the hell out of propaganda and central control over the media. GG'ers (not to be confused with GamerGaters) didn't know any better. How could they? Who would have told them? The institutions actually did work to maintain that trust. The Union did advocate for better conditions (even if it worked with the mob). The bankers didn't blow money out their ass every second, and didn't think it was a moral imperative to cancel your deposit. The government tried to use massive projects to prove it's value, and major work programs to unify the country in some collective effort. Doctors weren't going to castrate your children, and were still living down lobotomies from the 20's & 30's. Pastors didn't sanctify Fentynal addicts as equivalent to Christ, and douse themselves in rainbow colors.
Fucking Boomers were the first generation to be much more cynical after GG'ers. Gen X was even more cynical. Millenials are the first generation to be both purely cynical, and then also absolutely trust institutions that cater to them. Institutions that aren't even pretending to act legitimate. The rest of us dissident Millennials, we're so fucking jaded that we don't even expect the courts to imprison murderers, for the prosecutors to charge them, or for the cops to even arrest them. We are probably the single most jaded and cynical generation in American history, and the Zoomers might be just as bad.
We aren't anything like the GG'ers. We aren't capable of trusting the institutions the way they did. Mostly because those institutions raped the trust that was given to them.
FFS, I tell people not to go to college. "Don't get a post-secondary education" isn't something most human civilizations have argued. But the problem is that it's good advice because the institution of higher education is so fucking poisonous that it's better not to be educated in ideology, damaged by abusive systems, and burdened with unbelievable debt.
Well one thing that changed alot.of that was Watergate. That's when trust in the government dropped significantly
Well, the Democrats wanted an excuse to blow up Nixon, and on the other hand Nixon betrayed a lot of trust that Republicans placed in him. Same with Rockefeller.
I grew up in a two parent home, love the 80s, and watched the same cartoons, but that's the end of the similarities. Life was still fucking better than today, even with my stable job.
I agree. I’d happily go back to the 80s. Or 90s
There was optimism in the 80s. I think it was all the cocaine.
Ha! Maybe so. Nerdrotic was talking about the good movies in the 80s and said maybe the movie makers need to go back to doing blow
Yeah I'm younger than you but I was also able to grow up around neighbors and kids my age. Even though I was dirt poor it wasn't too bad all things considered.
If beating w*men is the price we must pay for a stable, high-trust society, I'll get my belt.
It’s odd that they assume being able to provide for his whole family off a single income would also require all of those negatives.
Never let young morons pass judgement on previous decades
Does this account post straight memes from facebook and think it's some kind of own, like libsofticktock? It's a little cheesy and overdone but that is a good wholesome meme format. Only someone who is sick in the head would think otherwise.
You can't describe people you don't know. You can only project yourself onto them.
He's married, and likely wouldn't betray his wife like that.
No, actually he loves women, which was normal for most men. I don't think most men "love" women generally any more.
He probably didn't even know any gay men because it would have been so unheard of. He literally would have been confused by the idea.
What booster are you on again?
Justice Diversity-Hire literally argued for racial discrimination in SCOTUS. The CDC admitted that it's vaccine rollout based on racial preference would likely have been responsible for killing 5,000 white people. 2 Years ago we had 155 consecutive days of race rioting, and you're probably celebrating the "browning of America" while claiming that "replacement theory" is a conspiracy theory while demanding that whites get replaced.
You're literally far more racist than he was, even if he was a bigot.
I sometimes wonder what it goes thru the head of this people. The picture depicts none of it so bringing this up is saying that the picture depicts something good but is not worth it because of all homophobia, racism etc. This would also imply that not being homophobic or racist is incompatible with the good values in that picture.
Ah, a time when we didn't have a "obesity" crisis killing millions and costing us billions. Lead in fumes and DDT in fertiliser, take a bow. Your kill rate has been literally dwarfed (and DDT saved more lives than it eroded; technology moves on and we found out about its possible negative effects too. Shame on the 50s for not having the technology that these redditors took no part in creating. The 2050s will probably laugh at our primitive ways too.)
The poisonous nature of lead was well known for a long time. Its continued use was due to industry and establishment control of The Science. Thank Pfizer that those days are over.
The question for the times will be if the leaded gasoline and asbestos were worse for you than the microplastics that are in everything.
objectively better times
your buzzwords are gay and meaningless
You'd literally get curb stomped if you were caught abusing your family members
While the decade was by no means the magical fairyland that Leave It to Beaver portrayed (shit like thalidomide and the birth of the baby boomers happened around this time, after all). However, it's hard not to argue that it wasn't a decade of rapid economic progress, even if it was all downhill from there.
But the Fonz was the coolest, so sit on it!
There's nothing wrong with that, and if you ignored the pressure you still had your freedom. Plenty of playboys and dandy's didn't get married. People might snicker and talk behind your back, or say "He's just a gay old lad." Oh boy such oppression. In America if you moved to the big city you could do what you want. We would be better off if people kept their romantic proclivities to themselves.
I think you're closer to the truth than people realize. There were a lot of unhappy marriages because people felt forced into marriage. Men out of a sense of duty and social norm. Women for resources. Women actually had all the leverage though. If a man left a woman he was forced to pay alimony. That means most relationships were female led which is horrible. No sex yet the man forces to do all the work. Women cooked at best but I imagine they barely did that and it's exaggerated. So many men were alcoholics. Why? Likely the trauma of being stuck in a marriage with a despicable woman. It honestly sounds like hell.
Of course there would be these story book perfect marriages but every era has those. You're just as likely to find those today as you were to find them in the 50s. Hypergamy was still king back then too. Women wanted to be married to the hottest rich guys and no one else.
The 50s were still gynocratic hell but with no escape for men.
If people want to go to a time that was good they need to go back to an era where women were considered property of men and it was perfectly legal to do whatever you wanted with your property. You could kill your wife for misbehaving if you wanted to and no one would bat an eye, not even her parents because she was 100% your possession and they were happy to rid of her which cost them a hefty dowry. This is the only time things were looking good for men.
Sadly, I think our current age is probably one of the best for men and worst for women. The problem is that men have been enslaved by women for most of humanity without realizing it. Women don't realize it either but that's the truth. Modernity represents the first time men can truly break free as best as possible though it's not ideal because the government still does lots to harm men. Women are worse off because for the first time they have value outside of enslaving men through labor value but all that has accomplished for women is increase their amount of work for the same share of resources.
Guys on here that romanticise the 50s need to realize that nothing about the 50s changed female behavior. Women still would holdout on providing sex in marriages unless you did what they wanted but nothing was ever good enough. Even in the 50s you couldn't rape your wife and even if you could she'd make the whole rape worse for you than her somehow. Bait you into beating her and get the simps to help her while she economically rapes you for alimony. Only really lucky men or rich and powerful, good looking men ever got what they wanted. The same as now.
You're forgetting the rise of "no-fault" divorce in the 1970s and 1980's. This was a major policy goal of the feminist movement at the time.
In the 1950's, in order to get alimony, a woman had to prove nelgect or abuse in court. And if the man could prove she cheated she would likely get nothing.
I'm also not sure when states started going to community property but most, if not all, of them back then considered wages to belong to the earner alone, not the spouse. So, a housewife who failed to prove abuse got nothing when she divorced her husband.
The nature of women may not have changed, but their ability to monkey branch and cheat without consequence absolutely has. You may have been miserable in your marriage, by the wife knew that she wasn't getting any exit prizes if she left you.
You're just proving how much women purposely caused their men to beat them. I can only imagine the horrors men would have had to endure because most men wouldn't want to leave their wives but their wives wanted to entrap their husbands in alimony. The amount of abuse men would have had to endure sounds off the charts.
No defence of anyone - but most domestic violence is reciprocal, and lesbians have a particular soft spot for it.
I've heard many women tell their stories of domestic violence before and I roll my eyes. My parents divorced and my mom always talks about her abuse meanwhile it was my father being abused far more.
The latest eye rolling "abusive relationship" I heard was some fat cow from work talk about her last boyfriend she was engaged to who abused her. Apparently, the guy made like $300k/yr (I can confirm that's legit based on who he was and what he did for work) and she didn't work. They lived together. He'd come home from work and expect her to have dinner ready for him and if she didn't have dinner ready he'd go into a blind rage and sometimes the fighting would lead to him pushing her up against the wall or physically threatening her. He was an alcoholic and would go into blind rages at her. She showed pics of how she used to look like when they first started dating and she was this skinny looking emo girls. Very cute. Now she's this land whale pig cow thing.
Come on, I wasn't born yesterday. Clearly, she gained weight and refused to do anything for him. Wouldn't even cook his meals. She was living off his $300k/yr doing nothing. Of course he started drinking, got depressed, angry and frustrated because he had a terrible girlfriend. She literally caused the whole situation by being a fat ugly lazy land whale that couldn't even cook her fiance a meal. Yet she tells everyone he was abusive and it was all his fault.
That's 99.99% of abusive relationships.
If he was a butch lesbian and this was a TV show, he would be a "complicated" fan favourite, flawed but with a heart of gold underneath.