Tim Pool was complaining about the Orville the other day too, saying some episode was a transparent analog to real life politics. No clever metaphors. The writing has changed.
How so? I've recently watched most of it and it has been leftist themes since the start.
All that gender and tranny nonsense with the "all male" species, straight up gay sex in multiple episodes, shitting on "anti-vaxxers", stronk women have to save the day and so on and so forth
I mean, nearly all discussion of Orville I saw was only in comparison to STD. It never came up on its own, only when people were attacking some aspect of Star Trek and positioning it as "the REAL Trek."
Season 1 was cringe and pretty shit because Seth MacFarlane sucks at comedy and he put all his friends on the show instead of hiring actual actors.
Season 2 got considerably better because Seth tried to make a serious TNG-like instead of constantly making fart jokes.
Apparently Season 3 just started.
Here is the "pro tranny" plot summary:
Kelly offers to mentor Topa and help him prepare for the Union Point entrance exam. The two bond and Topa confides in Kelly that he feels there is something wrong with him. Kelly feels that Bortus and Klyden should tell Topa that he was born female but Klyden steadfastly refuses and forbids Topa to continue training with Kelly, which leads Topa to begin having suicidal thoughts. The actions of both Kelly and Bortus lead Topa to the truth of his origins. Topa decides to return to being a female and asks Claire to reverse the gender reassignment surgery. Klyden protests and threatens to leave Bortus but Bortus consents. However, the admiralty refuses to allow the surgery since allowing it would cause Moclus to leave the Union, leaving them vulnerable to the Kaylon. Claire volunteers to resign her commission in order to perform the procedure without causing an interstellar incident but Isaac volunteers to perform the procedure, as he is not officially a Union officer. Ed orders Isaac not to do it but then arranges a concert in the shuttle bay for the crew to give Isaac time for the procedure. Despite an attempt by Klyden to stop the surgery, it is successful and Topa is restored to her female form. Klyden furiously renounces his ties with Bortus and Topa but Bortus reaffirms his love for his daughter and Kelly resumes mentoring her.
How is this pro-tranny? The plot is about Topa DE-TRANSITIONING. It's about as anti-tranny as you can get, especially anti-transing children.
I think being a traditionalist/fundamentalist is just his version of Copium. He probably hates what happened to him, but has convinced himself that it was the Right Thing To Do, and his religion/culture affirms that. It's quite clear that the average Moclan would side with Klyden rather than progressive Bortus.
The problem is, he takes it out on actual females (see my other comment) of other species who have nothing to do with his species' biocultural bullshit.
Episode 4 was not only filled with anti Trump propaganda, it had to throw in pro-abortion shit into it as well.
One of the scenes shows what happened to Krill parents who abort their baby.. they’re led into a room where there DNA is used to create a projection of what their child would be like had they not been murdered. The parents cry, and droopy-faced Seth MaxFarlane’s character is appalled at such a disgusting display.
One of the scenes shows what happened to Krill parents who abort their baby.. they’re led into a room where there DNA is used to create a projection of what their child would be like had they not been murdered. The parents cry
I’m two episodes into the newer season. Since it’s better than nu trek I may be over hyping it. There is a new trans episode? I remember the one from the first season with the all male species
My beef with it starts with forcing Earth biology onto a supposed alien species. Normal Moclans are obviously not "male" - they are masculine in presentation, but seem to reproduce more or less like snails (I guess either could lay an egg, but they pick which one of them gets to be the hen.) This difference seems to be totally lost on people, and I don't understand why.
As for the feminines, can they breed with the masculines? No? Then they're a different species. It'd be like some human pooping out a kid that was more chimp than human, and only able to breed with other chimpy kids with the same condition ... only the difference here seems to be that the feminines aren't impaired in any way other than socially ... except for Bortus' comment about Moclan history, and some kind of crisis that resulted in their culture being the way it is ... either way, it's more about racism (or speciesism, if they're mutually reproductively exclusionary). It would be nice to discover more about what Bortus was hinting at; maybe they'll do that later.
Same with Yaphit (who, I guess, will be departing?) - since he's more like an amoeba, he has a parent, and a clone. "Family" words just won't always fit with aliens.
Anyway, Topa was already "corrected" without its consent as a baby. However, birth defects SHOULD be corrected. The question is, is being a feminine Moclan a real birth defect? Or just an evolutionary variant? (A viable one at that, not like, say, having a sea of retards roaming around like a zombie apocalypse. And never mind Flowers for Algernon, that would have been considered a successful experiment that just needs perfecting.)
Basically, what I'm trying to say is that Moclans are actually simply not sexually dimorphic (or are hermaphroditic) and simply present as masculine (not unlike DragonBall's asexually-reproducing Namekians.) This isn't about sexism, it's about allowing a new race or species of Moclan to exist.
Yeah. It used to be allegories and metaphors.. lotr, matrix, departed...
Writers these days are inferior and retarded. They just cannot be subtle and clever about it.
Its like older writers are hannibal lecter hypothesizing about the symbolism with moths and the transformation of buffalo bill.. while newer writers is like dr clitfon that tries to steal lecter's hypothsis.. but does it poorly.
I haven't kept up, but I really enjoyed the earlier seasons. Shame, but honest very far from surprising that it went woke. I suspected that shit from the very start, despite my enjoyment. Seth MacFarlane is pretty woke - not the worst in Hollywood, and he has some redeeming views too, as I recall...but still pretty dang woke on tons of things - and I'm not at all surprised things went downhill.
I guess we just have to be happy with what we got before they turned it to shit.
I thought that first ep was less about the tranny thing than about traditionalism vs modernism and it was dealt with from a purely alien culture perspective so it was fine.
This one was after-school-special quality writing using the premise of the other ep as a springboard.
Kid "feels" wrong and his feelings are validated by a progressive stronk wamen because no other considerations matter. Talks about suicide so you know this is srs biznis. Traditional father objects and is shown as the unrepentant bad guy. "Heroic" "allies" (led by a white woman of course) make the transition happen over the father's and standing legal objections, father shows he is a "bigot". "and everyone clapped"
imo it wasn't the sex change that was the real problem, it was that it was undertaken due to the whims of a child - and encouraged by an "ally" (white woman) over the objections of the father
and the show portrays the only possible objections to that are "bigotry"
dude, "whims of a child?" it's a genetic female saying "put me back the way God & nature intended"
the logic does not work in reverse. an actual girl wanting to be the girl she objectively is when her parents had earlier forced her to be a boy, isn't the same as an actual girl deciding that she would rather be a boy. respecting a person's choice to be the CORRECT gender is not the same as respecting a child's choice to be the INCORRECT gender.
Tim Pool was complaining about the Orville the other day too, saying some episode was a transparent analog to real life politics. No clever metaphors. The writing has changed.
How so? I've recently watched most of it and it has been leftist themes since the start.
All that gender and tranny nonsense with the "all male" species, straight up gay sex in multiple episodes, shitting on "anti-vaxxers", stronk women have to save the day and so on and so forth
People desperately wanted their "non woke" Star Trek to attack STD with, so they let a lot of stuff slide.
"To attack STD with" implies Discovery had any redeeming qualities.
I mean, nearly all discussion of Orville I saw was only in comparison to STD. It never came up on its own, only when people were attacking some aspect of Star Trek and positioning it as "the REAL Trek."
lorca was cool until they boned him, the show had good production value most of the time
I should have been more clear, that's what Tim was suggesting. I haven't been watching The Orville.
The only media that has ever done real life politics well is Metal Gear.
Maybe thats why they havent made a new one since 5. Politics are now so utterly insane that not even Metal Gear can handle them.
When politics are crazier than Senator Steven "NANOMACHINES SON" Armstrong you know we're in trouble
I've only watched seasons 1 & 2.
Season 1 was cringe and pretty shit because Seth MacFarlane sucks at comedy and he put all his friends on the show instead of hiring actual actors.
Season 2 got considerably better because Seth tried to make a serious TNG-like instead of constantly making fart jokes.
Apparently Season 3 just started.
Here is the "pro tranny" plot summary:
How is this pro-tranny? The plot is about Topa DE-TRANSITIONING. It's about as anti-tranny as you can get, especially anti-transing children.
Actually based. Probably accidentally.
The first season tranny episode was nuanced if not based. The good guys were attrempting to stop the transition.
Did he stab him again? Because that was a thing last time Klyden tried to divorce Bortus.
My, what a loving and kind parent.
I think being a traditionalist/fundamentalist is just his version of Copium. He probably hates what happened to him, but has convinced himself that it was the Right Thing To Do, and his religion/culture affirms that. It's quite clear that the average Moclan would side with Klyden rather than progressive Bortus.
The problem is, he takes it out on actual females (see my other comment) of other species who have nothing to do with his species' biocultural bullshit.
The overall message implies it's possible to change your gender.
It's not possible.
it's more like the opposite. that even with future scifi gender surgery, it STILL doesn't work.
Possibly. I haven't watched it, so I don't know.
Either way, we should always insist on calling it what it is: Genital mutilation. There is no such thing as "Transition."
well all "reassignment" surgery is 100% mutilation and should be banned at least until age 18 if not 21.
banned altogether.
Episode 4 was not only filled with anti Trump propaganda, it had to throw in pro-abortion shit into it as well.
One of the scenes shows what happened to Krill parents who abort their baby.. they’re led into a room where there DNA is used to create a projection of what their child would be like had they not been murdered. The parents cry, and droopy-faced Seth MaxFarlane’s character is appalled at such a disgusting display.
That's fucking based, can we make this real?
Its basically what mandatory ultrasounds are for, which is why dems want them outlawed. People wouldnt abort if they knew what they were aborting.
I'm not seeing how this is pro-abortion.
Krill are the "bad" aliens.
I think the pro-abortion spin is Seth's reaction. "Look how horrible this is"
you only have yourself to blame
no way, it was pretty blatantly pro reality.
"underneath that manufactured exterior, topa is still female"
People still watch The Orville?
Never heard of this show. But now know to avoid - thanks for the heads up
I’m two episodes into the newer season. Since it’s better than nu trek I may be over hyping it. There is a new trans episode? I remember the one from the first season with the all male species
The politics don't start until ep4 but ep3 was just weak on its own.
ep 3 ending promoted global communism, anti religion (which we know always means anti Christianity), and transhumanism as not only good but necessary
ep 4 was anti nationalist but made the "bad guys" look good so it it wasn't obnoxious
Meanwhile in neo trek, Spock became a female vulcan and got histrionic because it was his/her time of the month.
So, yeah, Orville is a letdown in a lot of ways but most of the time it's still watchable.
My beef with it starts with forcing Earth biology onto a supposed alien species. Normal Moclans are obviously not "male" - they are masculine in presentation, but seem to reproduce more or less like snails (I guess either could lay an egg, but they pick which one of them gets to be the hen.) This difference seems to be totally lost on people, and I don't understand why.
As for the feminines, can they breed with the masculines? No? Then they're a different species. It'd be like some human pooping out a kid that was more chimp than human, and only able to breed with other chimpy kids with the same condition ... only the difference here seems to be that the feminines aren't impaired in any way other than socially ... except for Bortus' comment about Moclan history, and some kind of crisis that resulted in their culture being the way it is ... either way, it's more about racism (or speciesism, if they're mutually reproductively exclusionary). It would be nice to discover more about what Bortus was hinting at; maybe they'll do that later.
Same with Yaphit (who, I guess, will be departing?) - since he's more like an amoeba, he has a parent, and a clone. "Family" words just won't always fit with aliens.
Anyway, Topa was already "corrected" without its consent as a baby. However, birth defects SHOULD be corrected. The question is, is being a feminine Moclan a real birth defect? Or just an evolutionary variant? (A viable one at that, not like, say, having a sea of retards roaming around like a zombie apocalypse. And never mind Flowers for Algernon, that would have been considered a successful experiment that just needs perfecting.)
Basically, what I'm trying to say is that Moclans are actually simply not sexually dimorphic (or are hermaphroditic) and simply present as masculine (not unlike DragonBall's asexually-reproducing Namekians.) This isn't about sexism, it's about allowing a new race or species of Moclan to exist.
Modern SocJust in a nutshell.
there has never been a bigger virtue signaller than Seth McFarlane
Yeah. It used to be allegories and metaphors.. lotr, matrix, departed...
Writers these days are inferior and retarded. They just cannot be subtle and clever about it.
Its like older writers are hannibal lecter hypothesizing about the symbolism with moths and the transformation of buffalo bill.. while newer writers is like dr clitfon that tries to steal lecter's hypothsis.. but does it poorly.
I haven't kept up, but I really enjoyed the earlier seasons. Shame, but honest very far from surprising that it went woke. I suspected that shit from the very start, despite my enjoyment. Seth MacFarlane is pretty woke - not the worst in Hollywood, and he has some redeeming views too, as I recall...but still pretty dang woke on tons of things - and I'm not at all surprised things went downhill.
I guess we just have to be happy with what we got before they turned it to shit.
I don't think the new season is woke based on the plot summaries I just read. Some KIA types overreact to mixed messages from shows.
Considering how Seth is a hollywood leftist, the Orville seems pretty even-handed.
I think he had a bit of an attitude adjustment around the time of Brian's Meltdown in Family Guy. (His rant in the two-part Twitter episode.)
I thought that first ep was less about the tranny thing than about traditionalism vs modernism and it was dealt with from a purely alien culture perspective so it was fine.
This one was after-school-special quality writing using the premise of the other ep as a springboard.
Kid "feels" wrong and his feelings are validated by a progressive stronk wamen because no other considerations matter. Talks about suicide so you know this is srs biznis. Traditional father objects and is shown as the unrepentant bad guy. "Heroic" "allies" (led by a white woman of course) make the transition happen over the father's and standing legal objections, father shows he is a "bigot". "and everyone clapped"
yeah, but in the end, everyone clapped over a DE-transition, which is based.
Topa was returned to her correct gender. The fact that this was seen as "progressive" is just a trope subversion.
So in other words they made something so incredibly fake and gay it somehow went through the walls of reality and became based?
imo it wasn't the sex change that was the real problem, it was that it was undertaken due to the whims of a child - and encouraged by an "ally" (white woman) over the objections of the father
and the show portrays the only possible objections to that are "bigotry"
dude, "whims of a child?" it's a genetic female saying "put me back the way God & nature intended"
the logic does not work in reverse. an actual girl wanting to be the girl she objectively is when her parents had earlier forced her to be a boy, isn't the same as an actual girl deciding that she would rather be a boy. respecting a person's choice to be the CORRECT gender is not the same as respecting a child's choice to be the INCORRECT gender.
That was my take as well, but I also think it was unintentional. I think they intended it to be pro-tranny and didn't expect our take on the ep.