According to his daughter via Facebook...
"Love you always Dad....❤
"See ya next time I see ya" 😘
January 3, 1948 - May 11, 2022 😢💔"
For those of you who may be unaware, Randy Weaver was involved in a stand-off with federal agents in 1992. Several members of his family were killed, as was their family dog...all because he didn't appear in court. RIP.
Too bad he was white, so no one cared.
Reminds me of one of the few instances in which claims of 'police brutality' was remotely valid, Walter Scott who was shot while running away, except that this was a kid and not a criminal (not sure if Walter Scott was).
Two words, Daniel Shaver. There has never been a more brutal cop execution on tape in the history of the US.
Not even hyperbole either. That dude was literally executed while the cops made him place "Simon Says"
Multiple shots in the back of the head and neck, yeah.
I disagree. While he didn't deserve what he got, but the shooting was justified. He appeared to be reaching. And The first time the cop even gave him a pass when he could have shot!
I mean, he was basically given multiple, conflicting orders, but okay.
Yeah, you can be critical of that, but not of the shooting itself.
"sure they told him impossible commands but it was justified when they tried to murder him"
antonio sure has some pure shitlib takes, i wonder what he said about BLM
You caught me, I actually support BLM for... opposing their police brutality narrattive.
I hate the left more than is healthy, but I actually agree with AoV here. You can't reach for your waistband while cops have guns trained on you. That was the most objectively wrong move he could have made at that time. People fixate on the simon says bullshit, but that had absolutely nothing to do with the shooting. He wasn't shot because he guessed wrong, he was shot because he reached for his waistband.
This may be hard to grasp, but putting someone in a situation where they are in utter terror and panic because you keep fucking with their heads might lead to them being very impaired in decision making and in no way suddenly justifies your response to them.
Were they in the right to shoot based on his action? Yeah, probably. But they still held literally all of the blame for creating the situation through their own incompetence. The Simon Says bullshit has everything to do with the shooting.
That is the stupidest argument I have ever heard. Let me help you out here. There is no threat condition that warrants lethal force for reaching towards his pants. There was no visible threat, no reason to have weapons drawn, and no reason for any of what happened to occur. TO JUSTIFY A KILLING YOU HAVE TO PROVE 1. OPPORTUNITY 2. CAPABILITY AND 3. INTENT TO KILL YOU. There was no conditions met and every single cop involved should have been tried and at the very least jailed.
There are many cases where a seemingly innocuous guy just pulls out a gun and starts shooting the cops.
Can you cite any cases where the cops have their guns trained on a guy, and yet the guy is fast enough to produce a weapon and get the first shot off?
I get what you’re saying about the general case: cops are holstered and a dude draws and fires before the cop can draw and fire. But once you’ve got a gun trained on them, I don’t see how you’d get the first shot off.
So what I’m saying is that the cops were safe and could have reacted more slowly
"The cop should have waited until the minimum amount of time it takes someone to draw and fire a weapon to fire first" is such a bizarre take I don't even know what to say. I don't think the parties involved in this shooting were operating millisecond to millisecond because they, as far as I know, were not robots.
I would say trying to justify the shooting of a clearly unarmed, non-violent person who was shot repeatedly in the back is the more bizarre take. The cops did not meet any conditions of a justified kill, and should have been tried and executed.
I agree, but from the footage it didn't appear the cop made any attempt to actually resolve the situation quickly and efficiently. He dragged it out and created the situation where Daniel "appeared to be reaching" He got off on a technicality that only made sense if you closed one eye, turned your head sideways and ignored everything up untill that point.
People get very hung up on the black/white "well he shouldn't have done X, thereby the cop is completely innocent of all wrongdoing."
As if its all some zero sum game.
Lots of clueless people just have no idea. He got close to them, then executed a classic gun grab.
Shots were appropriate, even though his fellow retards want to excuse his actions.
I shouldn’t be surprised this isn’t more well known but I cite his case frequently when taking about govt overreach.
Walter Scott didn’t get much airplay because the cop was convicted. It wouldn’t help the media’s agenda to cover that.
Friend of the year award.
That article really goes out of its way to make sure you conclude that he deserved everything that happened to him because he was a "White separatist" and "Christian identarian".
Didn't realize he was a Green Beret: Rambo if it were real.
That would be the starting point for most NPCs. No hate like lefty hate really. I just want to live in a different country from people who I don't like. They want me dead.
What a shit Wikipedia article. Full of editorializing and important facts like how he was an average student.
Isn't it amazing how someone's grades as a student is always mentioned in these things and in this case because he was only "average" serves as a weird justification.
Because if an exceptional person was killed people might start asking questions like "why can the feds just go around killing our best and brightest if they arent hurting anyone?"
When it's one of theirs, their grades aren't important. Shit anyone associated with the deep state. Like, how W got into Yale. Not important.
Shit Wikipedia article is redundant.
I have never seen a good one when it's about a political/social issue.
"The defendant had previously said 'we finna kill all white people' on Facebook and frequently posed with illegal weapons" - Not material, don't even bring that shit into my court room you racist
"He was bad at chemistry" - Well obviously he deserved to die then
Life in a two tier society. Isn't it great?
It’s for the people who are ok with this sort of thing for the “right” kind of people.
“He was just some rube. Probably voted for Trump.”
This appears to be one of those incidents that occurred as a result of increasing aggression in regards to gun control.
They probably should have never raided him in the first place.
Nah it’s way deeper than that. I think they got the dude on something gun related but even without that specific cudgel they probably would’ve tried to entrap folks for brewing moonshine or some shit.
Edit: holy fucking shit…. to clarify for anyone that hasn’t read into this because the Wikipedia pages barely mention it, the dudes gun charge was related to an undercover fed that he refused to be an informant for. Like all real nazism the dude was into aside, this is a legitimate controversy and it’s sad that the media is unwilling to take on that nuance anymore.
Entrapped him on selling a cut shotgun as to recruit him as an informant.
"On Oct. 24, 1989, Weaver sold two shotguns whose barrels arguably measured 1/4 inch less than the 18 inch length determined arbitrarily by Congress to be legal. The H&R single-barrel 12-ga. and Remington pump were sold to a good friend who instructed Weaver to shorten the barrels. The "good friend" was an undercover informant working for the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms (BATF), who later told reporters he was in it "mainly for the excitement."
Eight months after he sold the shotguns, Weaver was approached by two BATF agents with an offer--spy on the Aryan Nations, a white supremacist hate group head-quartered in northern Idaho, or go to jail. Weaver refused to become a government informer, and--six months later--he was indicted on the shotgun charge."
https://www.lawfulpath.com/ref/weaver.shtml
Curiously the shotguns were never produced as evidence at Weaver's trial, so he probably didn't even cut them.
Not to mention modifying a firearm shouldnt be a crime.
I would personally like weaver to be posthumously pardoned while bumping up the settlements for both him and Kevin Harris to $1,000,000, with the money for that and the previous settlements being deducted from the corrupt government personnel responsible.
And all of the federal agents involved with Ruby Ridge and Waco executed. Fuck them.
Via scaphism.
Probably went to the wrong meeting on the wrong day -- maybe said the wrong thing at said meeting -- and the feds painted a target on his back. Then when he refused to play ball, they decided he needed to be punished for that.
"Plata o Plomo"
And let's not forget. Because they were so embarrassed by how bad this turned out, the ATF went extra hard in Waco to try and redeem themselves.
So not only did they ruin this family, they killed a shit ton more as a response because people dared to criticize them for it and make them feel bad.
We will never know if the pedophilia allegations against waco were legitimate as the evidence was likely destroyed due to the fire.
Funny that, how the only evidence that could have legitimized them in the slightest was never able to be produced. I could have believed it because Koresh certainly wasn't a saint, but at this point I'll reject it entirely because even giving them that leeway is undeserved.
The real reason for govt calling people terrrists
disband atf and imprison everyone who has ever worked there.
Terrible.