AMD processors will now include Microsoft coprocessor called Pluton
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I will stop using computers before I will use a processor with Microsoft Pluton.
Indeed it is.
My i7-2600k that I bought in 2011 is still going strong. Friends thought I was burning my money when I bought it, but they've all upgraded their processors twice over at this point.
Best bang for buck I ever fuckin' got on any piece of PC hardware.
The simple test used to be: "Does it have an export license? If 'yes' then it has a backdoor."
Hipsters dont use obscure tech, they buy a mac os 10 notebook and use it to play civ 6. and they talk about how superior the mac os is, on a computer that would cost half as much as a PC laptop.
quad 3g should be fast as f for anything. if your computer is slow with that spec then youre using an inferior os.
Any more info on this? I've never heard of Pluton before, though seeing it's from MS I assume it's not great news.
I based my decision on the fact that Microsoft is both extremely incompetent and evil. The details of its implementation are irrelevant to me. What Pluton is capable of doing is almost certainly a lie. Here is their blog about it.
smart man I dont need to know anything about something if my snap judgements are always right
Go ahead and hire Casey Anthony as a babysitter then. I assumed Microsoft did so many fucked up things that it is impossible to recover from such a bad reputation, but I guess here we are.
j was being serious lmao trust your gut instinct mine tells me microsoft is a shady company hellbent on getting my data for its nefarious purposes
who tf is J? your sarcasm is retarded
Joke! You cant turn it on! MS controlls your cpu too now LMAO
I was noticing the other day that I couldn't record video using an app (IIRC Nvidia Geforce experiences something) when I was playing recordings from my cloud DVR on Chrome. So I switched to Brave and Windows game bar and recorded my vidya. Maybe it was the other way around with the apps. Anyways, some DRM.
You just described the novel ''Remake'' by Connie Williams.
And the Slashdot of today will applaud it...
What’s the deal with pluton? I tried a quick Google but MS has enough money that the like top 2 pages was all just fawning coverage
Windows 11 requires TPM. TPM is a chip that gives a bunch of hardware based security functions. Pluton will emulate a TPM, but it suppose to more secure because the communication is on chip because you cannot snoop the bus. It is a Microsoft coprocessor that is connected to your processor which can do god knows what.
According to Assange - MS was one of the first companies to cooperate with the spy agencies
Knowing MS, I give it 6 months before it's reverse engineered.
They don't even have to do that anymore. It's Microsoft, give enough Rupees and it is yours.
I personally plan on sitting on my 6700k for the next few years. Maybe a few eternities longer than that. Maybe I'll buy a spare at some point. It still runs all the games I play
and emulates Demon's Souls PS3 at 30 fps and that's good enough for me.
Well, guess my next build in 5-10 years won't be using AMD. Shame, cause my current rig is doing just fine even with parts that were already a year or two out of date when I got them
Intel and Qualcomm are integrating it, too.
Best choice would probably to upgrade to the last processor that doesn't have it and hope it lasts long enough for this shit to die.
Mentioning diminishing returns, I think the main reason MS and the x86 CPU manufacturers are all getting in bed with this stuff. They can call it security, protection, or whatever but it's to keep people buying their stuff. Everything in my main computer dates back to about 2013 and for non-gaming stuff it's totally fine to the point I can't imagine spending a dollar to upgrade it anytime soon.
But of course Windows 11 won't be supported, then next some other software. Websites maybe at some point even? Who knows.
Websites are the dead trees business (like newspapers) of the 21st century unfortunately. The internet has been appified and social media'd to the point where a lot of smaller businesses I work with have pretty much done away with their websites. We may lambast that as short sighted, but several times over the last few years I've seen their numbers and it's clear. Even if they work SEO et. al. they'd get dozens of hits per day to their site. They can make 1 post to their facebook group and get 200 responses from their customers and 2500 views and most importantly 30 people to come into their store and spend money. Not only that but they can run their social media shit from their phones. Even with things like the wordpress app its not as easy to maintain an active website for most businesses. And the facebook group doesn't cost them $100 a year for a domain and hosting and more than that every few years to keep up with the latest website design trends. Most small businesses are using Gmail for email anyway these days so the [email protected] thing doesn't matter as [email protected] works just as well for most people.
We can say how bad this is etc. but that's the reality.
Netflix only played 4K on Windows 10, with Kaby Lake or newer, and using Edge browser. Not sure if it is still true, but it used to be like that. Since Pluton will be on almost all processors in a few years, it is going to be a lot easier to force people to have it for DRM.
This is way easier than you think. I just bought a used tesla and threw out the useless parts, now I have a wicked new cpu and custom cooler solution.
It's been "the year of the linux desktop" now for at least the past 22 years...
Also keep around all your old computers, or get a couple cheap raspberry pi or such as. Computers you can use to store your cryptowallet on or use as a gateway so you can at least see when things are talking.
Sucks because Alder Lake is such a garbage CPU with P (Pussy) cores. I was really hoping to get a generation or two with AMD on DDR5. Maybe I will splurge on upcoming Threadripper if they don't have Pluton.
I meant E cores. The E cores do harm performance in Linux and OpenBSD because their schedulers don't know the difference between P and E cores right now. Especially in games: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=alderlake-p-e&num=2 But the real comparison is 10 P cores vs 8P/8E since the 8 E cores take up the space of 2 P cores. I'd rather have 10 P cores than rely on the scheduler to choose the right core.
I want a 10g dual core. come on intel, stop being faggots and make it.
Oh hey, that might actually run DCS above 35fps...
I would say that is a flaw. The end user does not care why it performs worse. I don't know when they will update the Linux scheduler and how well it will perform after that and when will that update make it to w/e distro I am using. All I see now is multiple game benchmarks with lower scores.
AMD, Intel, and Qualcomm all will be using Pluton. I am not sure when, but if AMD is using it, it will probably be in next generation or two with the others.
Intel or AMD with Microsoft...what great choice.
The anti trust trials in the 90s is what got them to start paying for so many government lobbyist. Prior to the antitrust trial against them they paid for 0
The purpose of antitrust isn't to keep markets free and healthy. It's to force large companies that get a bit too bourgeois and independent to integrate into the proletarianized managerial dictatorship.
It'll come to Intel and Qualcomm processors, too.
No. I've been going very hard in the Linux direction for desktop stuff anyway.
Been a console gamer for a long time, but I ended up buying a neat little mini PC for some games and emulators. Likely that's the direction I go in the long term, it's way more my style than a "gaming rig" that includes an entire Chinese shipping container of RGB LEDs. PS5 is a 0% chance I ever buy and I'm still wishy-washy on if I ever get another Xbox. So I guess the government will stalk my mini gaming PC and see that I only ever play games on it.
I find the RGB RAM in particular quite funny. Isn't the whole point of all the aluminum shielding on RAM now to dissipate heat from the chips? So let's also attach some lights that by virtue of creating visible light must be creating additional unnecessary heat.
one of the 'gaming' companies just introducted a new gaymer keyboard with 100+ leds in it to show battery life.
$220 keyboard.
I find PS5 games less woke than Xbox games anyway
If we're talking new stuff, I'd say about the same. They all look woke to me. At least with what I've paid attention to. I don't really like either company. I could see some Japanese games not going to Xbox that I might find not-woke. They seem to be doing a lot more cross-platform stuff and a lot of those games also run on the Switch so are usually not needing much hardware either.
I'd get a new Xbox mainly because I'm much more invested in the platform including a zillion backwards compatible games. At the moment, the Xbox One I have is fine though. I'm barely invested in the PS4, I think half the stuff I have on it now is either also on Xbox or I could have just gotten for the PS3. I only hang on to it because I already have it so why not.
This. the only company not going full woke co. is the one who popularly made games for kids on previous consoles.
Sony also censors all anime games, which has caused some to be censored during development, even if also released for other consoles or PC.
which ps5 games tho?
... RasbPi with old arcade games it is, then...
Need some MAME rom dumps? I just might Noah guy.
Sounds a lot like some past DRM schemes that fizzled for purely tehnical reasons.
Who the fuck, other than grandma, even uses MS anymore?
Everyone not in IT at a business not using a Mac.
FWIW, Intel has hidden chips in chips since '08 (Intel-ME), and AMD since 2013 (AMD-PSP).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine
This is just another layer of shit on top of shit from shitheads.
You can disable or partially disable both of them. You just need to trust either company that disabling it works and there isn't some secret govt warrant preventing them from allowing you to disable something. It isn't ideal, but I lived with it.
Hopefully Open source RISC-V cpus and crowd funded fabrication will become a thing. So far the SiFive seems to be the closest to having something ready for release.
that article brushes over the frequency and only compares it to PHONE processors. im a bit unimpressed.
it says 3x the performance, but its only 30% faster than a phone. lmao
WTH black magic is this..
i can hear how much this glows
hey kid, want some illegal memes?
First glance I read that as “Introducing Microsoft Pollution”
Turns out I was right, they just have better marketing this time.
Goddamn it, AMD was supposed to be the chosen one.
Those things look really cool. I can see myself with one when they get a little more mature. Hopefully they can get the clock speed of the CPU up, a lot of the stuff really need something more like a DX66. Would be fun to play with though for sure.
... I remember those days ...
Especially when the first Pentium Gigahertz cpu came out.
Hell, my first PC was a 286 8MHz.
So, I believe that I've mentioned IBM's POWER architecture before (and yes, I also mentioned how shitty IBM is too), and how this could be a good competitor for x86. I have already seen people emulating x86_32, but I believe with an FPGA programmed to run the 64 bits, it can possibly run the whole thing.
This would also make for an expensive machine needing a lot of ram, but if I can do it, then it will be the last computer I'd ever need! I'll build it like a mainframe and have it in a bunker too. Not too shabby!
and just like that AMD committed suicide
Microsoft. God help us. I've never seen a company so proficient at fucking up so many things.
Only a problem for gamers since they need performance and being online with that performance.
The rest of us do well with an older computer with nothing newer than 8.1 or linux on it, or a PI running linux for all our online needs.
Does make a good argument in favor of 2 computers though, one for online usage and one that is ONLY used for gaming and the 2 being very much air gapped....
RaspberryPi4 does really well for most things, but is insufficient for bad websites. The Internet is shit. You need 4 high powered cores to look up recipes. Practically every stupid website tries to auto-play their video, record every action to multiple analytics sites, load chat dialogs, etc. I cant browse the internet comfortably without a pihole on my i7 4790K. All these shitty electron apps use tons of ram too.
I've not really had much issue as long as NoScript is running and my adblockers take care of the rest. Been wanting to build a pi-hole, but shrug ... I just can't be assed.
I use firefox, granted it's on a old crappy desktop with 4gb ram and running 8.1 and not on a PI(yet) but with the noScrip and add blockers I use I rarely encounter any autoplays, and you learn to recognize which scripts provide function and content and which don't, and which to permanently allow and which to only allow when you have to.
Hell, I have zero ads on all socials including youtube.....
haha dudes, 'modern' websites are requiring hundreds of megs PER PAGE.
can we send these programmer faggots to the moon? that would be a better use of their salary.
omg nooo, why AMD, why?!
Intel will have it too sadly. We're fucked basically: https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/microsoft-pluton-processor-intel-adopt-amd-security-approach
I've had my 4790K for around 8 years. My hope is to build a new computer this year with a Pluton-Free processor and have it last 10 years. A lot can happen in 10 years. Maybe we'll have ARM based high performance Nvidia chips. Maybe RISC processors will take off. Maybe Pluton processors will have unfixable security vulnerability and be removed and disabled.
RISC-V is looking better. Nice job.
Guess the only option is to buy a mac with a M1 chip.
"Microsoft so super duper evil!! Imma buy a Mac."
mac wasnt evil until they decided to rifle through their customers files, they were simply overpriced pc reskins for the average user.
“Wow I hate apple, I guess I have no choice but to consoom pluton”
Macs used to have a dedicated chip that performed many of the same functions on Intel Macs (Apple T2) and the M1 SoC along with Apple's Secure Enclave no doubt do the same on the ARM side.
With an AMD processor with this feature you can at least use Linux to cut out Microsoft. The M1 Macs cannot currently boot to Linux, which can only run in a virtual machine.
If you run a laptop, Linux is no good because of terrible battery life. For a desktop you can make do.
AMD is the new Intel inside. Sad. They were much better as an underdog with mediocre but affordable cpus.
Lmao. “Shadow Stack” you mean like the stack the the CIA uses to backdoor into your Minecraft build?