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Biden calls gun violence "an epidemic" (archive.is)
posted 5 years ago by altmehere 5 years ago by altmehere +57 / -0
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– DontDoxMeBreaux 54 points 5 years ago +54 / -0

And who's committing most of the gun violence, Joe.

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– deleted 36 points 5 years ago +36 / -0
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– TentElephant 11 points 5 years ago +11 / -0

The guns are irrelvant. It's progressive goverance.

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– Johan_Liebert 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

Nope!

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– TheWinningTeam 14 points 5 years ago +14 / -0

96% of all those gun crimes are committed by Democrats, and after this past summer probably 99%.

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– Johan_Liebert 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

Nogs

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– SmokeyMeadow 36 points 5 years ago +36 / -0

it's an epidemic of false flags. Everyone who isn't retarded knows the government is causing this to make their case for taking guns away.

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– Gizortnik 28 points 5 years ago +28 / -0

Not really. You don't need false flags when you have an obedient Press.

Think about it. The USS Maine wasn't a false flag. It legitimately exploded. Why intentionally blow up a ship when you can just use the New York Times to blame the Spanish anyway, and profit off of the hysteria they cause?

It's not any different from police shootings. The government doesn't have to manufacture them. They can just wait for one, then spin it into their narrative. It's way easier to do, and has basically no chance of getting caught.

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– SmokeyMeadow 10 points 5 years ago +10 / -0

So you're saying you think the Maine wasn't blown up intentionally by our own government to give us a perfect excuse for an easy win war with Spain that would end up giving us control of most of the Caribbean? Just a happy accident, and if it hadn't blown up on that fateful day, we would have been stuck waiting for another boat explosion? Nobody knows why the Maine blew up. Not for sure. There wasn't much left of her to do an analysis, so anything either of us say on that would be pure speculation. But what I will say is that it was a mighty fine coincidence. Fun fact: Most US wars have started over an attack on one of our (or allies) ships. Everything from the sinking of the Lusitania to the Tonkin Gulf incident. If you think our government wouldn't flinch at killing innocent civilians and military personnel to further their various agendas, I invite you to wake the fuck up. Some of these shootings might have been Bob Ross style happy accidents, but I wouldn't put it past the Feds to stoke up a few crazies as well. The lives of ordinary Americans mean less than nothing to the powerful elite, who manipulate us at every possible step.

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– Gizortnik 5 points 5 years ago +5 / -0

So you're saying you think the Maine wasn't blown up intentionally by our own government to give us a perfect excuse for an easy win war with Spain that would end up giving us control of most of the Caribbean? Just a happy accident, and if it hadn't blown up on that fateful day, we would have been stuck waiting for another boat explosion?

The New York Times, the Democratic Party, and fucking Pulitzer himself were happy to use any excuse to invade Cuba and get money from it. Not to mention American Imperialism was seen as the next step for the Progressive advance.

Nobody knows why the Maine blew up. Not for sure.

The USS Maine was clearly a fucking accident. In fact, that's one of the reasons the government tried to blame the explosion of the Maine initially on black people. That's not a pre-meditated event. It was an accident because ammunition wasn't being stowed and moved properly.

We know for damn sure that the Spanish and the Cubans didn't fucking do it, because they didn't even know that they were at War when we showed up.

It was an accident, and the press and government knew they could exploit it immediately, which they did. This is the common pattern. A real incident, that is murky enough not to be able to immediately disprove your narrative, and can then be exploited by the media to create casus belli. It's the same pattern over centuries.

Fun fact: Most US wars have started over an attack on one of our (or allies) ships. Everything from the sinking of the Lusitania to the Tonkin Gulf incident.

No, not most. Basically just 3:

  • Revolutionary War - no ships in conflict involved at start
  • War of 1812 - Casus Belli invented not by ships being sunk, but by crews being impressed. Actually a war of aggression on Canada.
  • Mexican-American War: No ships involved in Casus Belli
  • American Civil War: Ships may have fired on Ft. Sumter, no other real involvement
  • Spanish American War : USS Maine - Accident exploited by media
  • WW1 : USS Lusitania - Ship carrying weapons sunk by Germans, exploited by media 3 years later.
  • WW2 : US Pacific Fleet genuinely sunk by Japanese Naval-Air forces
  • Korean War : No ships involved in Casus Belli
  • Vietnam War : Gulf of Tonkin Incident - One possible torpedo launch, another doubtful launch. Exploited by media to create Casus Belli.
  • Gulf War : No ships involved in Casus Belli
  • Afghan War : No ships involved in Casus Belli
  • Iraq War: No ships involved in Casus Belli

The lesson here is that if the government wants a war, it uses the media not a false flag attack. It's way easier to control the media anyway, and works better to rile people up.

The lives of ordinary Americans mean less than nothing to the powerful elite, who manipulate us at every possible step.

You don't understand that this is a contradiction. You're right, the elites don't care about you. That's why they don't need to manipulate your every possible action. If you know, it doesn't matter. If you in particular aren't manipulated, it won't effect anything.

The government manipulates people in broad swathes. That's what the corporate media establishment is for.

Put it like this: we know that the Left is pushing police shootings. None of the police officers or criminal suspects are being planted. These shootings are all genuine, that's why we can find so much information about why most of them are legitimate. But no one one the Left knows that because the establishment media didn't tell them.

You don't need to make a shooting when your lies are more effective, more efficient, cheaper, and can't implicate you. Just lie. It's the easiest thing in the world. You just lie. You don't need to frame Ted Cruz in an elaborately timed conspiracy to accuse him of launching a terrorist attack from Twitter. You just lie on TikTok. It costs you nothing and it works better.

If you want a war with Syria, you just have CBS use some footage of a machine gun range and lie. You don't manufacture a fake attack with US Special Forces.

If you want to shore up the Asian vote in Democratic cities, you don't use a federal agent to attack random old Japanese people. You wait for someone old Japanese person to get attacked and you blame white supremacy. When someone points out that it was a black person that attacked him you just keep lying and tell others not to listen.

If you want to promote gun control, you don't manufacture mass shootings, you wait for mass shootings and you blame guns.

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– TheModernDaVinci 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

USS Lusitania

Quick point of order: Lusitania was a British-owned Royal Mail Steamer (RMS), not a United States Naval Ship (USS). But your main point is still true. In fact, to further bolster your, the Zimmerman Telegram was sent a full year before it was leaked to the public, and they knew that the Mexicans response to the Germans had been "ARE YOU FUCKING NUTS?! No, absolutely not! And do not attempt to contact us again!"

But they waited until the public was at a point where they would be sufficiently angry (which ended up being "German restarted unrestricted submarine warfare, and had sunk a few US merchant ships"), and then they dropped it.

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– APDSmith 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

Another point to note - the Zimmerman Telegram also heavily involved British intelligence, who were the ones to get the intercept. Part of the reason for the delay was the elaborate parallel construction necessary to be able to provide the Zimmerman telegram without telling the US that the British were tapping everything sent across the Atlantic.

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– Gizortnik 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

You're right. My mistake. RMS.

The Lusitania always bothered me. Wilson went to war, using the Lusitania as an excuse... 2 years after it sunk. It's such a clearly half-assed propaganda effort. And they were actually putting people in jail for opposing the war. With SCOTUS affirmation.

Our modern day interpretation of Free Speech comes about from those early anti-Speech laws. The 2nd amendment used to not protect people from what we now all demand that it does.

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– TheModernDaVinci 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

The Lusitania always bothered me. Wilson went to war, using the Lusitania as an excuse... 2 years after it sunk.

It is definitely kind of weird. At the time it sank, there was absolutely genuine anger. You had people howling for blood, you had people attacking Germans in America in retaliation for it, you had freaking Teddy Roosevelt saying he was going to get the Rough Riders back together to go kick Germanys ass (and initial reports were that he would have a million man army to do it with), and all of that. Then Wilson decides to ignore it, calm everyone down, and run for reelection on an isolationist platform. Ironically, using Lusitania as an example of "This is why we should be isolationist."

Then, on the orders of the Kaiser, Germany starts doing unrestricted subs again, they sank a few US Merchant ships before the call really got out to watch their backs, and British Intelligence leaks the Zimmerman Telegram (as I said, a year late). Then you have Wilson suddenly getting as worked up as Teddy did, and even going "You know what?! We should have smashed them the first time!"

Just in case people thought voters having the memory of a goldfish is a recent issue.

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– Gizortnik 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

I love TR, but he might have been a little bit fucking crazy on the whole war-mongering aspect.

That being said, I'd take TR over Wilson every day of the god damned week.

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– SparkMandrill83 9 points 5 years ago +9 / -0

Not false flags so much as government agents finding maladjusted people and filling their heads with propganda to get them to go out and kill

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– SmokeyMeadow 6 points 5 years ago +6 / -0

I still consider goading a crazy person into going on a shooting spree to be a false flag attack, because the Feds are clearly using it as a way to smear gun owners. Just because real people die doesn't make it any less of a false flag. Crisis actors are meant to set the scene, but it's not like the government would think twice about killing actual citizens as part of their plan to disarm us.

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– altmehere [S] 28 points 5 years ago +28 / -0

Far from an original thought, but the fact that he is also using the trigger word should make it obvious what they're trying to do here.

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– norwegianwikin 26 points 5 years ago +26 / -0

Why are there so many shootings suddenly? Why did it seem to slow down under Trump and accelerate under Biden?

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– ailurus 22 points 5 years ago +22 / -0

Accelerated because of BLM. There was a study recently (which I believe was posted on here) that up through 2019 areas which had had BLM protests had increased homicide rates afterwards. With everything escalating more and more people screaming about how all cops are evil and need to be fired if not killed, law enforcement is stepping back pretty much everywhere and it's only going to get worse.

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– FrostedCricketFlakes 11 points 5 years ago +11 / -0

Chicago had a 65.8% increase in shootings (3261 total). Resulted in a 64.4% increase in shooting victims (4033 total), and 55% increase in homicides (769 total) from 2019. Cook county (which Chicago is part of) had 875 gun homicide victims total, 78% were black.

79 Chicago officers were shot at, 10 hit. 558% increase since 2015.

Chicago is a high shooting area normally, but it is still a massive increase, and it's not alone.

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– deleted 10 points 5 years ago +10 / -0
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– Grumman 6 points 5 years ago +6 / -0

That as well. I would be surprised if the sex addict who shot up a massage parlour didn't fall back into his old habits because he lost his job, his gym or whatever else he was using to stay "sober."

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– Gizortnik 20 points 5 years ago +20 / -0

Communism is the only real epidemic.

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– deleted 8 points 5 years ago +8 / -0
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– Gizortnik 5 points 5 years ago +5 / -0

Fuck off. I'll take a black conservative over a white socialist anyday, particularly the racial socialist varieties who inevitably betray their own race the first moment they can get power and money from it.

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– Galean 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

I was thinking the same thing, White socialists have done more damage then any other group.

I would take a conservative of any race over a retarded white leftist.

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– Gizortnik 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

And it's not like the Racialist Left help their own race either.

Maxine Waters was being talked to by protesters that were crying about how it felt like nothing changed... despite the hundreds of millions of dollars, despite the sweeping support of major corporations internationally, despite 155 days of non-stop race riots.

Imagine being a genuine black supremacist BLM supporter. After all that... and all you got for it was a BLM head buying up mansions with all that corporate money, also: Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

There's only one way to describe that: you got fuckin' played.

It reminds me of that one video a protester made. Dude's clearly ghetto as fuck, and he's trying to warn blacks against BLM by talking into the camera and saying, "Yo, this BLM shit's fucked up. I've been involved since 2014. They're talking about abolishing families and capitalism and shit. It's not even run by black people! What the fuck does this shit have to do with us?"

It's not! It's all a fuckin scam to get money and power! They could have taken all that money and built fucking Wakanda! Instead they just stole the money and bought mansions in white neighborhoods!

Communists always lie. Racial Communists included.

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– current_horror 18 points 5 years ago +18 / -0

"Holy shit, we rebranded the flu as a health epidemic and people cheered us on as we shredded the Constitution!"

"Crazy, right? I wonder what else we can rebranded as a health epidemic..."

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– the_nybbler 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

It's not new. Arthur Kellerman has been banging the gun violence as a public health epidemic drum for decades.

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– ramzaruglia 15 points 5 years ago +15 / -0

The only pandemic here are Marxists and the cures are .45, .22, 5.56 and .44.

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– almond_activator 10 points 5 years ago +10 / -0

.32, .30-06, 8mm Mauser, 9mm, 10mm, .40, .357, 7.62, 12, 16, or 20-gauge, really anything other than rat-shot.

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– Fact 13 points 5 years ago +13 / -0

Virus calls the cure an epidemic. More at 11.

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– Tourgen 9 points 5 years ago +9 / -0

They have to take the guns. They have to take them now. Maybe even starting this year. The welfare state is collapsing. 70% of the US budget is redistribution of wealth to buy votes from stupid people. They've doubled the national debt with the money printing over the last 12 months. Medicare/Social Security is due to be insolvent (unfunded) in less than 10 years, by all estimates.

They must never let an outsider win another election. They must get all higher courts in line. They must disarm the citizens. This is the only way they don't end up in mass graves.

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– TakenusernameA 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

We have a "Corrupt Politician" epidemic.

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– ZodShael 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

Jogger crime is the real epidemic.

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– deleted 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0
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– realerfunction 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

it isn't.

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