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Biden calls gun violence "an epidemic" (archive.is)
posted 5 years ago by altmehere 5 years ago by altmehere +57 / -0
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– SmokeyMeadow 36 points 5 years ago +36 / -0

it's an epidemic of false flags. Everyone who isn't retarded knows the government is causing this to make their case for taking guns away.

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– Gizortnik 28 points 5 years ago +28 / -0

Not really. You don't need false flags when you have an obedient Press.

Think about it. The USS Maine wasn't a false flag. It legitimately exploded. Why intentionally blow up a ship when you can just use the New York Times to blame the Spanish anyway, and profit off of the hysteria they cause?

It's not any different from police shootings. The government doesn't have to manufacture them. They can just wait for one, then spin it into their narrative. It's way easier to do, and has basically no chance of getting caught.

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– SmokeyMeadow 10 points 5 years ago +10 / -0

So you're saying you think the Maine wasn't blown up intentionally by our own government to give us a perfect excuse for an easy win war with Spain that would end up giving us control of most of the Caribbean? Just a happy accident, and if it hadn't blown up on that fateful day, we would have been stuck waiting for another boat explosion? Nobody knows why the Maine blew up. Not for sure. There wasn't much left of her to do an analysis, so anything either of us say on that would be pure speculation. But what I will say is that it was a mighty fine coincidence. Fun fact: Most US wars have started over an attack on one of our (or allies) ships. Everything from the sinking of the Lusitania to the Tonkin Gulf incident. If you think our government wouldn't flinch at killing innocent civilians and military personnel to further their various agendas, I invite you to wake the fuck up. Some of these shootings might have been Bob Ross style happy accidents, but I wouldn't put it past the Feds to stoke up a few crazies as well. The lives of ordinary Americans mean less than nothing to the powerful elite, who manipulate us at every possible step.

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– Gizortnik 5 points 5 years ago +5 / -0

So you're saying you think the Maine wasn't blown up intentionally by our own government to give us a perfect excuse for an easy win war with Spain that would end up giving us control of most of the Caribbean? Just a happy accident, and if it hadn't blown up on that fateful day, we would have been stuck waiting for another boat explosion?

The New York Times, the Democratic Party, and fucking Pulitzer himself were happy to use any excuse to invade Cuba and get money from it. Not to mention American Imperialism was seen as the next step for the Progressive advance.

Nobody knows why the Maine blew up. Not for sure.

The USS Maine was clearly a fucking accident. In fact, that's one of the reasons the government tried to blame the explosion of the Maine initially on black people. That's not a pre-meditated event. It was an accident because ammunition wasn't being stowed and moved properly.

We know for damn sure that the Spanish and the Cubans didn't fucking do it, because they didn't even know that they were at War when we showed up.

It was an accident, and the press and government knew they could exploit it immediately, which they did. This is the common pattern. A real incident, that is murky enough not to be able to immediately disprove your narrative, and can then be exploited by the media to create casus belli. It's the same pattern over centuries.

Fun fact: Most US wars have started over an attack on one of our (or allies) ships. Everything from the sinking of the Lusitania to the Tonkin Gulf incident.

No, not most. Basically just 3:

  • Revolutionary War - no ships in conflict involved at start
  • War of 1812 - Casus Belli invented not by ships being sunk, but by crews being impressed. Actually a war of aggression on Canada.
  • Mexican-American War: No ships involved in Casus Belli
  • American Civil War: Ships may have fired on Ft. Sumter, no other real involvement
  • Spanish American War : USS Maine - Accident exploited by media
  • WW1 : USS Lusitania - Ship carrying weapons sunk by Germans, exploited by media 3 years later.
  • WW2 : US Pacific Fleet genuinely sunk by Japanese Naval-Air forces
  • Korean War : No ships involved in Casus Belli
  • Vietnam War : Gulf of Tonkin Incident - One possible torpedo launch, another doubtful launch. Exploited by media to create Casus Belli.
  • Gulf War : No ships involved in Casus Belli
  • Afghan War : No ships involved in Casus Belli
  • Iraq War: No ships involved in Casus Belli

The lesson here is that if the government wants a war, it uses the media not a false flag attack. It's way easier to control the media anyway, and works better to rile people up.

The lives of ordinary Americans mean less than nothing to the powerful elite, who manipulate us at every possible step.

You don't understand that this is a contradiction. You're right, the elites don't care about you. That's why they don't need to manipulate your every possible action. If you know, it doesn't matter. If you in particular aren't manipulated, it won't effect anything.

The government manipulates people in broad swathes. That's what the corporate media establishment is for.

Put it like this: we know that the Left is pushing police shootings. None of the police officers or criminal suspects are being planted. These shootings are all genuine, that's why we can find so much information about why most of them are legitimate. But no one one the Left knows that because the establishment media didn't tell them.

You don't need to make a shooting when your lies are more effective, more efficient, cheaper, and can't implicate you. Just lie. It's the easiest thing in the world. You just lie. You don't need to frame Ted Cruz in an elaborately timed conspiracy to accuse him of launching a terrorist attack from Twitter. You just lie on TikTok. It costs you nothing and it works better.

If you want a war with Syria, you just have CBS use some footage of a machine gun range and lie. You don't manufacture a fake attack with US Special Forces.

If you want to shore up the Asian vote in Democratic cities, you don't use a federal agent to attack random old Japanese people. You wait for someone old Japanese person to get attacked and you blame white supremacy. When someone points out that it was a black person that attacked him you just keep lying and tell others not to listen.

If you want to promote gun control, you don't manufacture mass shootings, you wait for mass shootings and you blame guns.

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– TheModernDaVinci 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

USS Lusitania

Quick point of order: Lusitania was a British-owned Royal Mail Steamer (RMS), not a United States Naval Ship (USS). But your main point is still true. In fact, to further bolster your, the Zimmerman Telegram was sent a full year before it was leaked to the public, and they knew that the Mexicans response to the Germans had been "ARE YOU FUCKING NUTS?! No, absolutely not! And do not attempt to contact us again!"

But they waited until the public was at a point where they would be sufficiently angry (which ended up being "German restarted unrestricted submarine warfare, and had sunk a few US merchant ships"), and then they dropped it.

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– SparkMandrill83 9 points 5 years ago +9 / -0

Not false flags so much as government agents finding maladjusted people and filling their heads with propganda to get them to go out and kill

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– SmokeyMeadow 6 points 5 years ago +6 / -0

I still consider goading a crazy person into going on a shooting spree to be a false flag attack, because the Feds are clearly using it as a way to smear gun owners. Just because real people die doesn't make it any less of a false flag. Crisis actors are meant to set the scene, but it's not like the government would think twice about killing actual citizens as part of their plan to disarm us.

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