I'm sure you have all noticed this from various comment boards to Reddit and 4chan. "I'm a Christian but (communist bullshit)" or "I was a Republican but (more communist bullshit)". It never turns out well, the atheists will still say youre an idiot as will progressives. Why placate them? Why does nobody stand up for their beliefs? Are we that scared of cancel culture or are we just that scared of possibly offending someone? Who will be the first to say, "This is what I think. Dont like it? Tough titties, now get out of my way".
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The truth is that our opposition holds non-trivial amounts of power and is vindictive as hell. The way forward is to figure out how to amass similar power for ourselves and those who share our beliefs. Shaming people for their discretion is less useful than brainstorming and acting on the acquisition of power. Find, demonstrate and teach methods of acquiring power such that people can learn how to withstand our enemy's power.
I'm just going to leave this here. Not even the likes of Microsoft could survive what they can do.
Fringe lunatics that can have your company delisted from the NASDAQ, have your payments in blocked by Mastercard and have your voice silenced by Google. They have way too much power to be considered anything less than a threat to society's very existence.
Ask the victims of leftism, Robespierre, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, even Ruby Ridge and Waco in "free" America, of how much power the left wields.
Most likely scared of being fired.
They are idiots, have always been idiots, will end up like idiots.
The pandemic makes it even more painful to lose a job. Every job is over-applied for and it's harder than ever to gain employment. I don't blame people for not showing their views.
"They" have not shown their views since 1793.
When they realized they fucked up they died from the progressive guillotine.
History.
Non-leftists are genocide fodder for leftist temper tantrums.
https://archive.ph/XpY2R https:// en. wikipedia. org/wiki/Girondins
https://archive.ph/8B9ve https:// www. firstthings. com/article/2020/10/suicide-of-the-liberals
SUICIDE OF THE LIBERALS
by Gary Saul Morson October 2020
To be fair, I think a lot of them aren't really what they claim to be.
This has been my take on it, too. It's very easy to just make an account, or buy one that's been fabricated over the months, and have it astroturf a specific opinion, and then use bots to vote it to the top, or give generic positive replies to a post. It's all about creating the best optics for the Correct Opinion.
True. I’m a Christian and I work for a major company that does a huge thing for pride month. Now people are free to live how they want but I feel it is a sin along with the thousands of other sins mentioned in the Bible. I do fear they will keep pushing this till I have to say something.
I have no intention of taking the Covid vaccine, but employees all around me love to gush about how excited they are about taking it or having taken it.
Sooner or later I expect to be asked directly whether I've taken it, and I expect there to be fallout when I answer them. But I'm not going to let that fallout shame me into taking it.
"I don't feel safe taking anything that hasn't been through the FDA approval process" is a pretty politically neutral way of handling that kind of thing.
I have actually. No doubt there's some paid actors. But I think a lot of people hold beliefs but downplay them because they care more about being liked.
I suspect at least some people are paid to shill on Reddit and even on the chan boards. Though shills, idiots, and trolls all post a lot, the ones who absolutely need to reply to every reply to them, and who always need to have the last word are more likely shills since idiots and trolls usually give up at some point.
Peer pressure was always a thing. Social media has turned the whole freaking world into one big peer pressure mob. People with no base will twist in the wind.
There is a need in most people to conform, to be part of the group. I see it as a surrender of sorts, find some mental gymnastics were you accept the unacceptable by corrupting your entire logic just to be able to fit it.
This drive is huge in young people, and reddit is mostly kids.
Christianity hasn't had balls since thieves and murderers were given indulgences for slaying and splaying muslim scum.
E: I take that back. Martin Luther had some cahones.
More generally, I don't think a lot of Christians understand their faith that well or the reasoning behind many of its commandments. Including the people who are supposed to be teaching it. Or they have mental blocks that prevent them from doing so.
Growing up I remember hearing very detailed explanations from a secular food safety standpoint why Jews weren't supposed to eat pork or other "unclean" animals. Yet somehow when it came to explanations for why women weren't supposed to be in leadership positions it was a whole lot of "well it was a different time and culture, and..."
brother war killed them all.
You are shaming people for looking out for their own best interests. Anonymously. On the internet. Who's the real pussy?
I never called anyone a pussy. I also never shamed anyone, I even said "we" which includes myself. Maybe read before you speak a sentence that amounts to no purpose and has already been answered.
Not every branch of Christianity are bigoted evangelicals.
I cannot say that the SJWs and communists don't mean well. At a very broad, conceptual level, a lot of what they say they want is compatible with what I perceive to be virtuous and a desirable direction for the world. It is only the fact that their ideas won't work and have been repeatedly shown to not work that puts me at odds with them.
Well, I'll do it for you. They don't mean well, they're driven by pure hate and envy. All they want to do is change the current system so they're on top.
They all have blood dripping from their hands.
And that makes them better than the Galt crowd... how, exactly?
You may not like it but if the argument is "solidarity" vs "got mine, fuck you", I know which side Christ is on. Even if the solidarity side is being duplicitous, at least they have the Christian definition of what virtue would look like.
Christianity considers societies led by women as godless.
If only tradcucks cared enough to enforce that like they whine about men not getting married.
No, certain major SECTS of Christianity think that.
That's Corinthians. Paul the self-identified Apostle.
There's no way to put this politely: FUCK PAUL.
Paul PERSECUTED the other apostles and then converted. He never knew JC, and everything he "contributed" to the faith is wrong.
Alright, enjoy your women-led hellscape.
Dude you've got a complex.
You didn't go the direction I was hoping you'd go at all. I was hoping you'd try to expand on the incongruities between galtism and christianity.
The simple fact as I see it is that right now christianity cannot be relied on to stand against the SJW because galtism is fundamentally inimical to the core teachings of Christ as conveyed in the sermons.
I don't dispute that the SJWs are a problem, but Christ is not a useful tool to use against them.
SOMEONE, some marvelous egomaniacal pede, is going to have to make a new revelation. Someone is going to have to speak for god and contribute new canon. And they'll probably be killed for it.
It's just my thing.
I mean, if you really want me to explain why leftists and Christianity are incompatible...
sexual deviancy, homosexuality
abortion
love of Islam
worship of the state (false idol)
It's clear you've little interest in even trying to be objective, given that you started with "bigoted evangelicals", "got mine, fuck you", "galtism" etc. But even if you were right about all of that, can you even name one thing that the modern progressives do which is remotely close to any Christian virtue? They're the polar opposite of it all.
Bzzzzt. Wrong. I asked what they DO. You gave what they SAY. Saying things is not virtuous. Doing them is. And demanding other people do things while you do the opposite is hypocrisy.
They SAY they're against income inequality. But what do they DO to fix it? They demand that others be forced to solve the problem (using policy ideas which have been proven time and time again to not work). And, no, it's not that they don't have the ability to do things for themselves. First, money is not all that relevant, because you can invest time, basic skills, training, etc. to improve the lot of people. And second, the very wealthy are squarely in the camp of the progressives. Jeff Bezos can say all he wants (which he did recently) "I'd be happy to pay more taxes if the rates get raised" but he has the ability to pay extra money now and isn't.
They SAY they're against common prejudice. But they are actively promoting prejudice based on immutable characteristics, outright calling for segregation, demanding racial quotas in hiring, punishing people based on the race of their ancestors, and more.
They SAY they're against police brutality and authoritarianism. But how does burning down small businesses and attacking people in the streets help that? How does the rank hypocrisy which has been on display for a year now of "BLM people need to be allowed to protest, but anti-lockdown protestors need to be arrested!" solve anything? How do BLM protestors attacking the US senator who proposed a bill called the "Justice for Breonna Taylor" act which would have been a nationwide ban on no-knock raids help that? How does electing a presidential ticket of a guy who boasts about authoring one of the most destructive crime bills in US history and a girl who kept hundreds if not thousands of people in jail past the expiration of their sentences in defiance of an order from the Supreme Court help anything? And how does calling for mob justice without bothering to look at what actually happened - and then rioting when you disagree with court decisions - help anything?
It bloody well should matter. Every despot and villain in history has dressed up what they did in flowery language and "right side of history" arguments. And if you actually talked to the people you are dismissing blindly, you'd find that most - if not virtually all of them - also want people lifted out of poverty, they also don't want discrimination, and they also don't want jackboots kicking in people's doors. The ideas aren't the problem, the implementation is.
You want actual virtue?
Which of those are reflected in the ACTIONS of progressives?
I can tell you, though, a verse I feel applies perfectly to many of them
Blocked.
I don't put up with pedantic gotchya bullshit.
Gotcha bullshit? Are you seriously going to pretend you've literally never heard of lying before and that saying is equivalent to doing?
I think Bender Bending Rodriguez has the best response here
Classify Christians as bigots by default with no rationale? Check.
Say that 99.9% of the Bible is not actually relevant to Christianity, only a couple pages that you like the sound of are? Check.
Create a weird dichotomy where everyone is either Karl Marx (and thus apparently virtuous) or John Galt (and thus apparently evil)? Check
Go on a random tangent about how physics makes the everything ultimately deterministic and thus free will doesn't exist? Check
Openly and repeatedly say you don't care about actual actions or motivations, just what the slogans say? Check.
Provide one single example of something virtuous the SJW types actually do? REEEEEEEE, THAT'S PEDANTIC GOTCHA BULLSHIT! BLOCK, BLOCK, BLOCK!
You're entertaining, I'll give you that.
Exactly! There was a video last year where some pastor or something stopped some dude and begged him to wear a mask at some kind of event. Literally on his knees and begged him to like just consider it. And don’t get me wrong, it was super cringey, but he was definitely going the Jesus angle and you’d think people would appreciate it. Instead, all the supposed “conservative” influencers and their fans were like look at this soy cuck beta whatever. “I’d never kneel for another man” type stuff. To answer OP, no ones standing up for whatever beliefs he’s projecting on to them because they probably never really had them in the first place.
Christianity begat Marxism.
At least Islam isn't Marxist.
All very true.
Realistically if nobody is going to pull a Joseph Smith over galtism, then islam is the next best course of action.
Islam is not going to stay uncucked forever.
Or maybe it will.
Insha'Allah.
I doubt SJW are good people. The most hateful and intolerant persons I've ever seen are leftists. They want no middle ground, no compromise and end justifies the means.
I think most SJW types are power hungry bullies that would have been religious fanatics if they have lived in a different time.
It doesn't matter.
Whether their message is honest or dishonest, it's broadly compatible with the sermons.
Galtism is not.
This is a serious problem.
As I said elsewhere in this thread... SOMEONE is going to have to speak for god if galtism is to be made compatible with christianity.
I've never heard the end justify the means in Christianity, no where does it say, as far as I know, to discriminate on the bases on ones skin color for the perceived greater good. That we are not responsible for our own actions, we are just some stupid product of our skin color or sex. That killing, burning, looting, betraying ones parents to fight some perceived injustice that was done by someone dead long ago that shares the same skin color as the people you want to hurt today.
No, I see nothing in the manipulation and the fanaticism required of the SJW types that is in any way compatible with Christianity. I am agnostic so I may be wrong but I really doubt it.
Of course not.
Taken to its rational extreme, the SJWs exist because god wills it thus.
You know that Nigerian prince doesn't actually mean well when he asks you to just cover the bank's transfer fees, right?
The ideas don't work by design. They're not meant to provide solutions, only justification for an attack. Unless you believe the majority of the populace is functionally retarded then you have to know most people supporting those ideas aren't doing it because they thought it through and really think that's the most likely long term solution to various moral dilemmas. They're doing it because it either directly benefits them or hurts someone they hate in the immediate future. Most would just prefer having a nice sounding excuse to fall back on rather than openly admitting they're doing it out of spite and selfishness.
Depends on what they want the dollar for/how it's going to be used, and what the long-term repercussions of giving that dollar might be.
I mean, if I said a blanket "it's virtuous to feed a hungry animal" the fucking caveats would start, so ...
Oh, that and just blindly giving money out just because it's a human that asked, just gets you labelled as a "sucker".
I disagree with basically everything you said there.
Going one further I think of all the people I've replied to today you and I are probably the most out of sync in terms of our perspective on what is virtue.
You're a scrooge.
Well, I could give that meth addict asking me for money some change, but he'd just go kill himself with it. Because I know damn well where the poor people go, and where the free food is. If he's "Native", I know he also gets band payments.
Maybe you're right, maybe I should just be non-judgy, and give money to whomever.
If you're choosing to live in a place where you're surrounded by addicts, that's on you.
Maybe it's different in the US, but those are the only assholes begging for money on the street.
They are NOT going to use it for "food", and welfare will buy them work boots, so don't fall for that, either.
Yes.
And what I'm saying is that justification is rational when evaluated from a christian perspective.
If the question is: "was christ a marxist or a galtist", the answer is he was closer to marx than to galt.
Christianity condemns the violence, but it cannot disagree with the animus.
The animus is greed and spite. The justification is a weakly held facade.
Forgive me for thinking you're one of the more confused Christians I've ever met if you think the outward words are more important than the intent in the eyes of God.
Do you believe you have free will?
Hol' the fuck up. You're going to pull the "it's the rational justification from a Christian perspective" (which it isn't, there's nothing rational about justifying ideas that result in the opposite effect of what the justification was) then immediately turn around and start the 'there's no free will only God's will' shenanigans? Nevermind the whole ignoring the forbidden fruit thing, you're just contradicting yourself. There's no rationality if every thought is preordained.
Do you think God made everyone else think you're wrong for a laugh?
Lol
Pfft, sure thing, you must have some ground breaking insights from that in insurance.
Anyway, I don't make a habit of dropping my train of thought to answer every question put to me when I have something else to address, something something virtuous prudence etc., especially when they're a pointless question that essentially amounts to semantics. But since you've obviously got a bee in your bonnet about it, I prefer that as long as we all understand that the "I" process is running under hardware that is considered "me" then my thoughts are considered my own "free will".
And I'm still failing to see how blase fatalism interacts with the concepts of right, wrong or internally consistent logic that suddenly makes SJW hatemongers rationally justified by Christianity
This kind of questioning seems cruel, as it's an inherently frustrating topic and most readers are going to be reluctant to answer without some evidence of intent.
In a way, it's strengthening to dive into a bleak committment like "free will is a lie". It destroys motivation, so it takes new strength to pull yourself out of that bog. This type of strength isn't a functional imperative for most people, so I wouldn't expect it of others. Though I'm uncertain if most people are intuiting that sort of struggle when they recoil from the question.
I'll try to answer for fun: no, but I've decided to behave in all ways as if I do because it's useful. Similarly, I believe a god might exist, but that any such god does not desire worship or acknowledgement, so it is a type of sin to do either.
Well, consider:
The entire calvinist/methodist branch of christianity are hard determinists. In any conversation about christianity you have to be expecting free will to come up because by the numbers a significant number of christians do not believe that people have any power to change their trajectory in life.
I'll admit I'm unfamiliar with religious conversation. It's hard enough just finding people conversing about philosophy (I consider religion to be a sort of subcategory of philosophy).
It matches your later explanation that you were trying to make a point about differing worldviews. And it is more straightforward than asking what their religion is.
Where do you even go to find religion talk? I'd be interested to see how the lens of spirituality colors certain perspectives. Even political wrong-thinkers have places to talk, so surely the religious do as well.
Like here, this sounds like it has drastic consequences for a person's views unless you put a big "But" in there. I can't believe all methodists adhere to it, but I doubt most religious people strictly adhere to the religion they use. And I'm realizing now that my sample data is pretty lacking to verify. To me, it's logical to pick and choose and develop your own system of beliefs, so I struggle to understand why a person would strictly follow a giant package of beliefs like a religion.
They mean well by imagining
Jewsclass enemies and arguing for oppression and extermination.https://archive.vn/UdIEM
https://archive.vn/OTWD1 https://www.projectveritas.com/news/pbs-principal-counsel-lays-out-violent-radical-agenda-says-americans-are-f/
Suspiciously similar to the fascists the left constantly warns us about.