I'm sure you have all noticed this from various comment boards to Reddit and 4chan. "I'm a Christian but (communist bullshit)" or "I was a Republican but (more communist bullshit)". It never turns out well, the atheists will still say youre an idiot as will progressives. Why placate them? Why does nobody stand up for their beliefs? Are we that scared of cancel culture or are we just that scared of possibly offending someone? Who will be the first to say, "This is what I think. Dont like it? Tough titties, now get out of my way".
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Do you believe you have free will?
Hol' the fuck up. You're going to pull the "it's the rational justification from a Christian perspective" (which it isn't, there's nothing rational about justifying ideas that result in the opposite effect of what the justification was) then immediately turn around and start the 'there's no free will only God's will' shenanigans? Nevermind the whole ignoring the forbidden fruit thing, you're just contradicting yourself. There's no rationality if every thought is preordained.
Do you think God made everyone else think you're wrong for a laugh?
Lol
Notice how you had to cut off what I said?
Like I said, we behave as though we have free will even though it's entirely probable we don't.
I think Jordan Peterson even said something to that effect.
Pfft, sure thing, you must have some ground breaking insights from that in insurance.
Anyway, I don't make a habit of dropping my train of thought to answer every question put to me when I have something else to address, something something virtuous prudence etc., especially when they're a pointless question that essentially amounts to semantics. But since you've obviously got a bee in your bonnet about it, I prefer that as long as we all understand that the "I" process is running under hardware that is considered "me" then my thoughts are considered my own "free will".
And I'm still failing to see how blase fatalism interacts with the concepts of right, wrong or internally consistent logic that suddenly makes SJW hatemongers rationally justified by Christianity
"John Adams was a farmer, Abraham Lincoln was a small town lawyer. Plato, Socrates were teachers, Jesus was a carpenter. To equate judgement and wisdom with Occupation is at best... insulting." -Warehouse 13
You should. If you had answered honestly up front that you believe you have free will, I would have pointed out that I believe otherwise.
Which is why I asked you about fatalism in the first place.
Look since you're too dense to read between the lines, my thrust here is that your worldview and my worldview are so distantly far apart that we're basically not even talking the same language.
You exist in a world where you have free will, and where "christians" can hate without being hypocrites.
I comprehend that world view, but I don't share it.
This kind of questioning seems cruel, as it's an inherently frustrating topic and most readers are going to be reluctant to answer without some evidence of intent.
In a way, it's strengthening to dive into a bleak committment like "free will is a lie". It destroys motivation, so it takes new strength to pull yourself out of that bog. This type of strength isn't a functional imperative for most people, so I wouldn't expect it of others. Though I'm uncertain if most people are intuiting that sort of struggle when they recoil from the question.
I'll try to answer for fun: no, but I've decided to behave in all ways as if I do because it's useful. Similarly, I believe a god might exist, but that any such god does not desire worship or acknowledgement, so it is a type of sin to do either.
Well, consider:
The entire calvinist/methodist branch of christianity are hard determinists. In any conversation about christianity you have to be expecting free will to come up because by the numbers a significant number of christians do not believe that people have any power to change their trajectory in life.
I'll admit I'm unfamiliar with religious conversation. It's hard enough just finding people conversing about philosophy (I consider religion to be a sort of subcategory of philosophy).
It matches your later explanation that you were trying to make a point about differing worldviews. And it is more straightforward than asking what their religion is.
Where do you even go to find religion talk? I'd be interested to see how the lens of spirituality colors certain perspectives. Even political wrong-thinkers have places to talk, so surely the religious do as well.
Like here, this sounds like it has drastic consequences for a person's views unless you put a big "But" in there. I can't believe all methodists adhere to it, but I doubt most religious people strictly adhere to the religion they use. And I'm realizing now that my sample data is pretty lacking to verify. To me, it's logical to pick and choose and develop your own system of beliefs, so I struggle to understand why a person would strictly follow a giant package of beliefs like a religion.