The war on personal computing now targets PC hardware. Fuck.
We need "AI" datacenters, so companies, that don't charge for their product, can have more of their product, which loses them money, but maybe will let them ice out all the other "AI" companies and become the only player in town, and can then convert to government contractor, and then charge whatever they want.
It's a destructive, retarded, and entirely flawed strategy. Especially now that Nvidia is apparently committed to producing newer and better hardware every year. Goodbye any sort of capitalization curve. They're financing these data centers on a 30 year time line.
Another mortgage backed security sized bomb is about to hit America. This time they want your 401k. A good time to take a loan against some of your monies.
Those were dumped because there was no demand and warehouse space costs money. Unsellable product isn't an asset, it's a liability.
Also Atari didn't go bankrupt and weren't even an independent company. They were a wholly owned division of Warner since 1976. When the console market crashed, Warner simply sold off their console division.
Except they can make the argument that fire selling the equipment could put other businesses the creditors have debt with in jeopardy so it'd be better to just burn it all.
That's not how corperate liquidation works. When a company is destroyed by a popped bubble, the bankruptcy court appoints a trustee to liquidate everything and then pay as much of the debts as possible. Bankruptcy shields the company's executives from liability, but intentionally and spitefully destroying assets that should go to paying debts would not be a terribly smart move.
Most modern tech "innovations" are done specifically to shrink the "unregulated market" (i.e. people who pirate, circumvent advertising, or otherwise detach themselves from paying subscription fees).
Which is why games force you to download the latest updates and break modding architecture. Why is why TVs went from having native, built-in VCRs and DVRs to encrypted hard drives and eventually nothing at all. Which is why car dealer options went from being physical things you paid for at the dealer to shit that's already in the car but you have to pay a subscription to use.
If there's one type of person capitalists and commies hate with roughly the same amount of ire, it's the privateer.
History videos of events that did not happen. Those are perfect because most of the videos of the genre are voiceovers of old photographs which are easy to slop.
Usually they are easily recognizable(to the point that I commonly recognize a subset of cute girl on neon text talks about random-ass subject thumbnails, and other people recognize them because they never have more than 3 views) sometimes not.
One almost got me the other week about a P-38 mechanic who improved its dogfighting ability by removing slop in a control cable, until I remembered the P-38 used hydraulics for it. Then I looked up all the aces mentioned, and none of them existed.
This morning I saw one listing recent supreme court cases. One of them mentioned qualified immunity being struck down, and changes to the burden of proof in self defense, none of it true. All fake AI slop, and it got a lot of views.
What I learned from my last post was that AI is most resource intensive on development. The bubble is basically being driven by massive expansion and fever dreams of a machine utopia and/or perfect mass surveillance.
Deranged billionaires like Elon Musk who read dystopian stories about transhumanism and robot societies and think "that's pretty cool," and evil lizards in our government who dream of making 90% of the population obsolete are the ones driving the bubble.
Fortunately it looks like the market is just not big enough to get them there. But we might have to stop our government from giving them the biggest bailout in history.
It's another tech bubble. Everyone is investing in things that have little to do with making it work. I remember the dot com bubble right before 9/11. Investors spent hundreds of millions on stupid things like the name of the website. They didn't actually think things through on how to actually give the product over. Most of the promises form that era are now done by Google and Amazon from slowly growing, not the rapid growth expected.
Another one is VR. It's viable, but not in home. Maybe, and this is a very slight maybe, it can be used as a computer monitor. But the reality is that VR needs a lot of room and computing power to do stuff. Meta came closest, but even it didn't survive. However, the market for our of home use is still in power. People make AR and VR stuff all the time and it makes money. I played some great racing games and shooters at IAAPA, along with experiences by groups like Steamroller or L3D. The in home use needs too much space and money to really work. Even my kids are playing VR games from a computer monitor instead.
AI has some definite uses, but the people investing in it want a specific thing. It's going hardcore right now where anything cool is only cool for 2-3 days before another cool thing overtakes it. Lots of investment in creating the cool thing, but no real use for it. My bet is that Stability AI, MidJourney, and probably ChatGPT are going to survive. Chatgpt is the first to make the conversational model that works, while their image creation is great for small things. MidJourney has no public investment and has been growing based on users instead. Stability AI has gone through the roughest time, but most video models and others are based on it. I have no idea where 3D or Gaussian splats are going to go, and the companies tend to be universities.
The really big factor is what can be created. That means creators need to know what they are doing, and how to use a product. Right now, people are making characters with MidJourney, putting them in situations with Gemini Nano Banana Pro, and animating them with Grok. Meanwhile Sora is making a tiktok like app with crazy videos.
When I do link dumps, the second largest is always AI because so much happens at the same time.
A non-negligible % of ''GDP line goes up'' is currently government and mega tech companies commiting to funding billions of dollars of AI development in a circle-jerk that produces fuck-all of real value.
Another one is VR. It's viable, but not in home. Maybe, and this is a very slight maybe, it can be used as a computer monitor. But the reality is that VR needs a lot of room and computing power to do stuff. Meta came closest, but even it didn't survive. However, the market for our of home use is still in power. People make AR and VR stuff all the time and it makes money. I played some great racing games and shooters at IAAPA, along with experiences by groups like Steamroller or L3D. The in home use needs too much space and money to really work. Even my kids are playing VR games from a computer monitor instead.
Standalone VR systems exist costing around the same as the switch 2 console like quest or pico 4 on sales.
The problem is the lack of proper advertising and easy features.
When I do link dumps, the second largest is always AI because so much happens at the same time.
A.I ironically being needed to quickly summarize it.
But the reality is that VR needs a lot of room and computing power to do stuff.
I've got to disagree with that one. The auto and flight sim crowd alone prove it wrong. A headset in a chair works great and takes less room than the insane monitor setups. Nor does it need crazy computing power. Sure it's more than a single monitor, but the worst case is "render everything twice and display on two screens at a good refresh rate," so generally double or less.
The problem with VR is cost. Most gaming experiences are fine on a static display unless it's a genre that really benefits from it. There's no justification for a headset. And the people with headsets will take whatever they can get because lack of strong offerings, so the VR-exclusive stuff is mediocre and doesn't drive adoption either.
Yeah, I had a hankering for a VR headset before COVID, but couldn't find one that was made for someone who just wanted to sit in a chair and have 3d vision, using a keyboard and mouse.(There were really only two or three options then). Also all had heavy vendor lock in.
Crypto miners created the same problem for graphics cards not long ago, then we got a reprieve for a while, now the AI fuckers are doing it with multiple pieces of hardware. I don't care for these groups making me feel like I need to put off upgrades for possibly years.
This. You get to choose between the Lenovo or Apple dumb-terminals, each of which has just enough power and memory to run a web browser but not much else.
But for handheld as well? I have not looked around but is there a Cloud phone yet? Modern cars also need ram for the shitty sensor computers. This shit is going to go hell in a hand basket at Mach Fuck faster than the COVID pricing scam.
Micron's dropping out of the consumer RAM stick market. AFAIK, they're still selling the chips to customers. Auto mfg and the like should still have availability.
This is a assumption on my side, but I'm going to bet the auto and industrial stuff uses older nodes and older RAM designs. Probably doesn't compete with datacenter/PC demand.
The war on personal computing now targets PC hardware. Fuck.
We need "AI" datacenters, so companies, that don't charge for their product, can have more of their product, which loses them money, but maybe will let them ice out all the other "AI" companies and become the only player in town, and can then convert to government contractor, and then charge whatever they want.
It's a destructive, retarded, and entirely flawed strategy. Especially now that Nvidia is apparently committed to producing newer and better hardware every year. Goodbye any sort of capitalization curve. They're financing these data centers on a 30 year time line.
Another mortgage backed security sized bomb is about to hit America. This time they want your 401k. A good time to take a loan against some of your monies.
On the bright side, after the AI bubble pops, there's going to be a fire sale on used consumer grade data center equipment.
Or they will just spite everyone and chuck it all in landfill.
That's not an option when a company's liquidated in bankruptcy, they have creditors they're obligated to pay with whatever assets they have.
Atari Inc (1972-1984)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2836779/Atari-games-buried-landfill-net-37-000-eBay.html
Those were dumped because there was no demand and warehouse space costs money. Unsellable product isn't an asset, it's a liability.
Also Atari didn't go bankrupt and weren't even an independent company. They were a wholly owned division of Warner since 1976. When the console market crashed, Warner simply sold off their console division.
Except they can make the argument that fire selling the equipment could put other businesses the creditors have debt with in jeopardy so it'd be better to just burn it all.
That's not how corperate liquidation works. When a company is destroyed by a popped bubble, the bankruptcy court appoints a trustee to liquidate everything and then pay as much of the debts as possible. Bankruptcy shields the company's executives from liability, but intentionally and spitefully destroying assets that should go to paying debts would not be a terribly smart move.
You think they will give a shit?
If they want to be able to hide behind bankruptcy laws instead of being personally liable, yes.
Most modern tech "innovations" are done specifically to shrink the "unregulated market" (i.e. people who pirate, circumvent advertising, or otherwise detach themselves from paying subscription fees).
Which is why games force you to download the latest updates and break modding architecture. Why is why TVs went from having native, built-in VCRs and DVRs to encrypted hard drives and eventually nothing at all. Which is why car dealer options went from being physical things you paid for at the dealer to shit that's already in the car but you have to pay a subscription to use.
If there's one type of person capitalists and commies hate with roughly the same amount of ire, it's the privateer.
I'm so tired of language models. Half the internet is now people trying to pass off their slop as their own writing. Real value add to society.
It is killing youtube.
More than half of new videos are fake AI slop.
History videos of events that did not happen. Those are perfect because most of the videos of the genre are voiceovers of old photographs which are easy to slop.
Usually they are easily recognizable(to the point that I commonly recognize a subset of cute girl on neon text talks about random-ass subject thumbnails, and other people recognize them because they never have more than 3 views) sometimes not.
One almost got me the other week about a P-38 mechanic who improved its dogfighting ability by removing slop in a control cable, until I remembered the P-38 used hydraulics for it. Then I looked up all the aces mentioned, and none of them existed.
This morning I saw one listing recent supreme court cases. One of them mentioned qualified immunity being struck down, and changes to the burden of proof in self defense, none of it true. All fake AI slop, and it got a lot of views.
Maybe after this is over we can have a societal understanding of how many people are actually ensouled…
With a 90iq average population…
We’re so fucking cooked.
Perfect storm of data centers gobbling everything up and RAM manufacturers not wanting another crash due to oversupply.
I really hope my pc doesn't break, or I will have to ask for a loan just for the RAM
How do bubbles burst?
And can this one please burst already?
When retards here stop asking Grok questions and feeding data to the beast
What I learned from my last post was that AI is most resource intensive on development. The bubble is basically being driven by massive expansion and fever dreams of a machine utopia and/or perfect mass surveillance.
Deranged billionaires like Elon Musk who read dystopian stories about transhumanism and robot societies and think "that's pretty cool," and evil lizards in our government who dream of making 90% of the population obsolete are the ones driving the bubble.
Fortunately it looks like the market is just not big enough to get them there. But we might have to stop our government from giving them the biggest bailout in history.
Hasn't Musk been the one trying to warn us of it for the first half of the last ten years?
Elon, like Thiel, have one face for the public and another in private. There is a reason they all endorsed Trump in 2024.
It's another tech bubble. Everyone is investing in things that have little to do with making it work. I remember the dot com bubble right before 9/11. Investors spent hundreds of millions on stupid things like the name of the website. They didn't actually think things through on how to actually give the product over. Most of the promises form that era are now done by Google and Amazon from slowly growing, not the rapid growth expected.
Another one is VR. It's viable, but not in home. Maybe, and this is a very slight maybe, it can be used as a computer monitor. But the reality is that VR needs a lot of room and computing power to do stuff. Meta came closest, but even it didn't survive. However, the market for our of home use is still in power. People make AR and VR stuff all the time and it makes money. I played some great racing games and shooters at IAAPA, along with experiences by groups like Steamroller or L3D. The in home use needs too much space and money to really work. Even my kids are playing VR games from a computer monitor instead.
AI has some definite uses, but the people investing in it want a specific thing. It's going hardcore right now where anything cool is only cool for 2-3 days before another cool thing overtakes it. Lots of investment in creating the cool thing, but no real use for it. My bet is that Stability AI, MidJourney, and probably ChatGPT are going to survive. Chatgpt is the first to make the conversational model that works, while their image creation is great for small things. MidJourney has no public investment and has been growing based on users instead. Stability AI has gone through the roughest time, but most video models and others are based on it. I have no idea where 3D or Gaussian splats are going to go, and the companies tend to be universities.
The really big factor is what can be created. That means creators need to know what they are doing, and how to use a product. Right now, people are making characters with MidJourney, putting them in situations with Gemini Nano Banana Pro, and animating them with Grok. Meanwhile Sora is making a tiktok like app with crazy videos.
When I do link dumps, the second largest is always AI because so much happens at the same time.
A non-negligible % of ''GDP line goes up'' is currently government and mega tech companies commiting to funding billions of dollars of AI development in a circle-jerk that produces fuck-all of real value.
The losers are taxpayers and actual PC builders.
Yeah, I saw a PC for $5,000 last week and felt very sad.
Standalone VR systems exist costing around the same as the switch 2 console like quest or pico 4 on sales. The problem is the lack of proper advertising and easy features.
A.I ironically being needed to quickly summarize it.
I've got to disagree with that one. The auto and flight sim crowd alone prove it wrong. A headset in a chair works great and takes less room than the insane monitor setups. Nor does it need crazy computing power. Sure it's more than a single monitor, but the worst case is "render everything twice and display on two screens at a good refresh rate," so generally double or less.
The problem with VR is cost. Most gaming experiences are fine on a static display unless it's a genre that really benefits from it. There's no justification for a headset. And the people with headsets will take whatever they can get because lack of strong offerings, so the VR-exclusive stuff is mediocre and doesn't drive adoption either.
Yeah, I had a hankering for a VR headset before COVID, but couldn't find one that was made for someone who just wanted to sit in a chair and have 3d vision, using a keyboard and mouse.(There were really only two or three options then). Also all had heavy vendor lock in.
The cost is pretty high for that. My favorite thing at the IAAPA expo. Tons of fun, but not a lot of people with the area or money for it.
Crypto miners created the same problem for graphics cards not long ago, then we got a reprieve for a while, now the AI fuckers are doing it with multiple pieces of hardware. I don't care for these groups making me feel like I need to put off upgrades for possibly years.
PC scene has been shit since crypto.. from crypto boom to covid to AI... PC gamer's has been fucked for +10 years now in terms of pricing.
Limit how much RAM OpenAI is allowed to buy. 640KB ought to be enough for them.
So what happens when no one has a computer or device to use the AI they are develop?
Cloud solutions.
Which dovetails with "You will own nothing and be happy."
This. You get to choose between the Lenovo or Apple dumb-terminals, each of which has just enough power and memory to run a web browser but not much else.
These days you need 64 GB of RAM just to run a web browser.
Me: Closes mostly plaintext nana's pudding recipe webpage
Browser: "You just reclaimed 500 MB of memory!"
Just checked the task manager in Firefox. This page takes 87 MB of memory. The GMail tab takes 405.
My first PC had 64 megabytes of RAM and I could browse the internet just fine.
But for handheld as well? I have not looked around but is there a Cloud phone yet? Modern cars also need ram for the shitty sensor computers. This shit is going to go hell in a hand basket at Mach Fuck faster than the COVID pricing scam.
Micron's dropping out of the consumer RAM stick market. AFAIK, they're still selling the chips to customers. Auto mfg and the like should still have availability.
This is a assumption on my side, but I'm going to bet the auto and industrial stuff uses older nodes and older RAM designs. Probably doesn't compete with datacenter/PC demand.
Still need a device to even use cloud solutions.
I do agree that in 10 years things could become very different.
It remains to tell if such will be a good thing, or a bad one.
Yes. Most of this group and most of the people on reddit are negative on AI.
I wonder if its partly because of jealousy and having missed out.
In other news, Apple memory updates are a bargain right now.