What was done to him is the opposition fully revealing their agenda, as if the past decade of their rabid ideologies, policies, and ways of handling thing weren't enough, as if them openly claiming a dozen times that they want you miserable, dead and degenerate wasn't enough - yet a big part of the ''right'' are completely oblivious to it and talk about the way founding fathers intended for you to die for someone's rights even if you don't agree with them, except the usual cucks spouting this are forgetting that this isn't 1776 anymore and the founding fathers weren't dealing with vile enemies of today.
It is to no surprise to anyone who knows me here that I heavily disliked Kirk, and firmly believe he was the #1 person on the right sabotaging the entire ''conservative'' movement because the boomer ideas and talking points are supposed to die off with the boomers, except you had a young, 30 year old ''conservative'' holding open mics with a gay black, avoiding to talk to figures like Fuentes, his infamous one liner he repeated a million time about israel being the only country in the middle east where all 3 monotheistic religions coexist (yea right), and overall undermining of actual conservative values, ''I'm fine with immigrants if they're legal'', ''everyone should have rights regardless of their race and sexuality'', and general zionism - he was that meme personified about how conservatives in 2030 will push for open borders. He was an absolute detriment to the ''right wing''.
When you look at the values he stood for bar gun control, he'd be considered realistically a progressive, yet all of that shilling and acting mighty didn't prevent him from getting killed by some rabid leftist, didn't prevent hundreds of thousands of subhuman leftists openly celebrating his assassination online and reposting the video of it. But then I'm supposed to not celebrate Chauvin choking out a career criminal druggie?
You go online and you openly see people celebrating it, of course not the majority, but not a vocal minority either, hell even in the Joe Rogan & Charlie Sheen video you can find comments celebrating it with 100s of likes, they're watching a video of a man literally getting shot in his jugular, bleeding out on the spot and dying in less than a minute, and they're happy to see it because they don't like him, this could be you tomorrow, in fact if the right continues doing fucking nothing, this WILL be you tomorrow.
Millions of our European ancestors have died fighting communism, and even more have succumbed to the bolsheviks once they seized power, working to death in gulags or dying from a famine. They killed a public figure, in a public event, in broad day light, imagine what they would do if they were to run the country? And they won't stop at public figures then, they'll go for everyone, including you.
These people for decades have wanted you degenerate, your kids trannied out, your women raped, stripped of any rights, stripped of your once thriving and safe cultures, stripped of your firearms - but for your own good! So that mohammad in london can rape your 9 year old daughter and you don't have anything to kill him with, it's for your own good! And finally, what us ''stormfags'' have been telling you for years: these people want you dead.
Sad for his children.
Lots of things should have been the wake up call. Like the rest of them this one is a we'll see. Feels different to me but maybe that's just because I have kids too.
I barely paid much attention to Charlie, not sure I had watched more than one video of him speaking, and it hit me pretty hard. Post factum, I am realising we all just lost a brother.
Looking into his last few weeks/months, Charlie wasn't just playing the role of conservative talker and political pundant, he was well on his way to stepping into the shoes of a young Billy Graham.
This IS different.
Same. I knew who he was and had heard him on a podcast or two over the years and maybe saw some clips from debates over the years. Gave no fucks about him in the slightest. I feel physically bad and generally deeply shaken by all this despite that. Partly because upon looking into him, he seems like a genuinely nice guy that was squeaky clean. Partly because of all the immediate lies being told about him that always end up not being true if you just look at what he actually said. And partly because he was the most mundane, unobjectionable right wing person you could imagine.
It’s not like Nick Fuentes said your body my choice forever and then got stabbed by some crazy blue haired chick.
This one does feel different, and I'm still having a hard time with it, even though I openly criticised Kirk for the exact same things OP did.
I think it's as you stated -- with kids involved, they're now going to grow up without a father, who by all intents and purposes was attempting and striving to live by the words he preached.
Regardless of his politics, he was someone you wanted to see raise his family right and be there as a support pillar to help provide productive offspring to society. The fact he was taken away from his family, and now they're left to be raised without him not only took a voice away from encouraging many young men to find hope for the future, but it may also lead to his kids potentially becoming victims of the very system he was trying to fight back against from corrupting the youth.
From what I see, they might've lost all non brainwashed young people as LOTS of stories of sons and daughters ripping up their Democrat membership refusing to support them ever again. You have stories of 61 year olds sobbing over this and even the fucking Young Turks was somber on this.
Charlie Kirk, whether you disagreed with his points or agreed, was just a normal guy that wanted to debate and talk things through with everyone. He was polite, a good father for the limited time he could BE a father and a devoted Christian. And they assassinated him, in front of everyone, his very family to which one if the worst things I heard was that his 3 year old daughter hearing the scary gun shot, tried to run to daddy for safety....
And what did they do after? Laugh, Celebrate, cheer it on and encourage more assassinations. To the normies that destroyed ANY image that they had ANY credibility and to the right, they just killed the moderate voice so scorched earth is now allowed as shown by the lists targeting any employers of those cheering.
This isn't 'waking up' the left just killed the one person that advocated for them to still be treated like humans...
Yeah for me this is the clear and sobering event that tells me there will not be peace. I can only pray that God that if it becomes a demographics based issue I won't be a casualty of someone thinking I'm a liberal based on skin color
Best you can do is to continue to do the right thing and lead by example I suppose.
I'm not trying to discredit your concern but we all know that friendly fire is very common in conflicts even if it's not spoken about that much.
Do your best and stay supervigilant. I mean that, Don't be naive.
Can you go further into them losing people? Is this based on like twitter, Reddit, personal experience? This is pretty much the only internet place I go, so I’m blind to it.
I only use this and YouTube a lot on my search along with just being social outside, but there are A LOT of videos of people who used to be Democrat supports publicly announcing they denounce the party and refuse to ever vote for them again.
The ones not active like Obama and Biden DENOUNCED Charlie's assassination but the fact that the ACTIVE Democrats haven't come out strongly against it has probably lost them a lot of voters especially young voters since Charlie was active debating on campuses.
Wake up call? The wake up call was made a long time ago.
I literally cannot tell you the actions that need to be taken.
YDNHJE.
"Turn the other cheek", "Going the extra mile", "Give your cloak, too" and the other love your enemy quotes only work on people that can feel shame.
From what I've been told all those things are specific to Roman law as well. They aren't used correctly and the context isn't taught.
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Trump in PA shouldve been the wake up call.
They didn't see him die. Instead it became a miracle to rally around hope. Charlie's death has caused despair and anger because it was so vivid
Agreed. And I think that would have been even worse if Trump actually had died. I'm pretty sure we would have almost instantly been thrown into the depths of a civil War
Agree on the Civil War part, but I don’t think people would have been sad in the way they are with Charlie right now if Trump went last year. Trump is still an asshole whether you support him or not. He was never billed as a saint. Deeply flawed human being. Nobody supporting or voting for him would say otherwise.
Charlie seemed like a genuinely kind and caring human being in all respects. There’s an innocence to him that was taken. Trump never had that. Trump is a bully that’s on your side against the bigger bullies. Nice guy in person, but his public image was always bombastic and narcissistic. Charlie’s was not. He was genuine. You could see it.
I agree with most of what you write. I wasn't a fan of a lot of his milquetoast opinions. However:
I don't agree with this at all. He was making "conservatism" mainstream. He was deep in enemy territory actually changing minds. Many people on this very board, dare I say most, went through a time where they were on the left, and to get to where they are now, they had to go through a phase of having more moderate opinions like Kirk.
There was a time when I listened to Ben Shapiro. He disgusts me now. The amount of people Kirk turned to our side, even if it takes them a while to get there as they think their way through their more moderate phase, is incalculable. It is shortsighted to say he was a detriment because of his moderate views.
EDIT: and if the idea is he pulls people more right than him to the left, I don't think so. At the very least, I can't see that happening in numbers that offset the amount of actual legit converts. People that were actually leftists that he woke up from their bullshit. Having a hundred thousand more Charlie Kirk style conservatives is infinitely better than those same people being a hundred thousand more leftoids.
A lot of guys on here underestimate and look down on gateway conservatism. They don't get that if a normie jumped right to coming on here they'd be disgusted and it would solidify their politics. Maybe not everyone Charlie appealed to ends up as a hardcore right winger, but some do, and the rest are better as normie right wingers than lefties. Even on Israel Charlie was not Levin or Shapiro, he questioned the Epstein/Mossad angle, questioned Oct 7th, stayed close to Candace and Tucker etc. I think he gets too much shit from the hard right. I was pleasantly surprised to see Fuentes give him a nice eulogy
Fuentes understands that he is potentially the greatest beneficiary of Kirk’s assassination. Charlie’s fan base is very young and very angry. Right now, they’re looking for a more extreme right wing brand, one led by another charismatic young man. That’s literally Fuentes. And he can’t capture that audience if he publicly shits all over their murdered idol.
Or if and when he praises another open borders Democrat
It seems like a whole lot of people are a whole lot madder than they've ever been after this one. There's more visceral outrage than when Trump got shot.
LOL
Because there weren't a million wake up calls before?
Stolen elections? Scamdemics?
Go back to watching football.
Why do you think they generally try to avoid releasing footage of crimes.
Charlie Kirks murder was seen by millions. Seeing footage of someone getting killed is infinitely more powerful than hearing that got killed. One might believe people are desensitized because they don't care anymore when they hear for the billionth time that some dindu murdered someone or Israel blew up another refugee camp but show them the actual footage of it happening in all its brutal detail and you'll realize that they're not.
The closeup footage of Charlie Kirks murder is brutal even if it is not especially gory. You don't watch him getting wounded. You see him getting shot in cold blood and die. He was dead before he hit the ground. Only people who truly don't give a fuck about anything or who are just plain evil can watch that footage unfazed.
A lot of people are failing to grasp this very simple truth: a picture is worth a thousand words. Yes, blacks murder innocent whites for no good reason all the time - but the clear video of the Ukrainian girl being murdered on the train brings those statistics to life. Actually witnessing his unprovoked evil, her shock giving way to sadness, the inaction of everyone around her - these images stir up visceral emotions in people. Mere words can’t do that.
I think the next evolution of leftist violence and terrorism will be endeavoring to make sure that it is not recorded. If everyone had only read about Charlie Kirk being murdered, the outrage would not have been the same. Instead, we all saw it happen, and that’s why the anger is so pronounced.
Most of the brainwashed people in America hate Charlie Kirk, worship satan, and watch perverted pornography that's more degenerate and repulsive than blood leaking out of someone's neck. They're willing to watch satanic halftime football shows, watch niggers spit on white football players before the first snap, and continue buying nfl licensed gear and season passes to watch all the games.
You think this is your Paul Revere moment. Perhaps it SHOULD BE. But you underestimate the narcissism and selfishness of most Americans. They only use Charlie Kirk getting murdered as an OPPORTUNITY to vent their own rage and hatred on undeserving people. To over half Americans, they balled up all their hatred and rage and projected it all on to Charlie Kirk as if he was the man responsible for their own dissatisfaction in life. Everyone who i disagree with is Adolf Hitler. And if I call you a fascist then that justifies me murdering you. Their minds work like this.
You falsely believe that there is some kind of strong moral conviction in the American people. LOL This is a nation that let's faggots adopt babies, lets jews cut off children's penises, let's jews and quacks cut off teenage girls' boobs, etc. You can show them pictures of dead aborted babies. They don't care. More worried about the newest rap song or the prime time football game this weekend and muh light beer and goyslop fried chicken and potato fries cooked in rape seed oil. People care about their own creature comforts. Very few people want to risk their own lives to try to save a fallen world.
DO SOMETHING!!! Well when people DO DO SOMETHING, they get thrown under the bus. When Jeffrey Dahmer is killing faggots, which is wonderful, you losers have to criticize him, cheer his arrest, call him names, call him psychotic, throw him in prison to be murdered. Why weren't YOU killing gays? Finally someone was and you interfered and destroyed him. When you DO have heroes, you don't even honor them.
Dahmer was also gay and was getting off on it. You sound like you do too
Yeah, that got bizarrely specific and incorrect at the end. Like an AI response that lost its way.
Jeffrey Dahmer wasn't harming anyone but gays. And he was killing them. And eating them. Maybe even skull fucking them. But he was killing gays. Which is better than Trump groveling for their votes and supporting gay marriage.
Yeah, I was with him full bore up until the Jeffrey Dahmer bit...
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do not eat people
I agree it's unlikely this ends up causing the change we want. But it definitely seems like this event is penetrating much more deeply into the mainstream normie sphere than usual.
Perhaps you are correct. I am bias with my cynicism. I still try to call it how i see it. Not fishing for likes.
There are still too many trying to argue that the left isn't dangerous. The main offenders being the groypers who are saying that Israel is just trying to keep us from uniting with the left. However I have seen alot of moderates awakening
Groypers seem really intent on getting right wingers to vote for Democrats. It's like thier one mission in life
Really don’t see the big deal. These are college kids, they’re grow out of political assassinations of middle of the road opponents once they get into the real world.
we all thought their bullshit wouldn't last out in the real world, but the real world fucking BLINKED.
When I brought up wokies and their insane ideologies infesting my own nation, I was told I was ''too influenced by right-wing USA narratives'' ( oh irony ) and that it was just a few loony students in universities.
A few years later it is by law mandatory judicial policy to give lesser sentences to black criminals due to ''racism'' and post-traumatic slavery syndrome, the exact sort of peak insane woke ideas that infested universities here a few years ago.
Yeah I kept getting told that over and over until the orcs were beating down the gate. I've been shouting about the approaching hordes since I was in high school and the torches kept getting closer and more numerous every year
I think it’s safe to say that the vast majority of the people who ever told us to “just ignore it” were themselves leftist allies who were actively sabotaging our resistance. At no point in time is ignoring your mortal enemy the correct strategy. That’s how woke aka neo Marxism aka gay race communism quickly metastasized from universities to business and government in the span of about five years. One college generation is all it took.
It's the Justin Trudeau "if you kill your enemies they win" bullshit
They all turn into good conservatives once they see the taxes taken out of their first paycheck! /s
I'm starting to understand why so many dictators killed professors throughout history
"We don't argue with intellectuals, we shoot them."
This is because they do is play word games. They don't argue in good faith, they attempt to drop you into a mental maze, to confuse and infuriate you. Jumping from point to point whenever one falters. Alternatively they yell racist or bigot at you.
Then they just full out shoot you in the throat. These things only exist because people of good will don't see how evil they are. As i said before, the best evidence I've seen of a god, is how evil the left is and how much they hate Jesus.
Marxist intellectuals view themselves as alchemists or wizards. They think they can make anything true or correct as long as they can conjure the exact right combination of words. That’s why so many of them become lawyers.
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No they won't. They never will. We need to clean house of all the commies from top to bottom.
There is certainly a second round of mccartyrism needed especially in the schools. But the rott is so huge the patient could die if you cut it all away. And Russia/China would certainly love a civil war if they wanna go after the EU and the south east pacific.
You cannot bargain with a moral relativist.
People should know that by now, but still continue to bury their head in the sand.
They have no absolute foundation in right or wrong, and it will change with the wind based on "muh feelz".
The Left and anyone who supports those views are eternally lost. If someone has not had an epiphany by now they likely won't.
He is a martyr. Not just for our cause, but quite possibly for Christ as well. I agree that this feels different than other outrages from the past -- and it should. RIP Charlie.
> No armed raids on tranny strongholds, medical centers, or institutions that protect them
No wake up call is loud enough to wake anyone of consequence up. No one is coming to save you.
This is a complete aside from your excellently written summary of the situation, but Chauvin didn't even choke out the jogger. When you watch the other, full bodycam footage he had his knee on his back. St. Floyd literally died from an overdose, but the blame was pinned on Chauvin, who was just doing his job.
It was infuriating seeing Jocko and Joe badmouthing Chauvin and claiming he had Floyd in a "choke", when the actual footage showed his knee was well down Floyd's back, but the angle from the original video gave the appearance that the knee was at his neck. But I digress.
It's just one of those things where even if the choke had been true, nothing would have been lost.
It's amazing how they murder a completely peaceful dude then turn around and say "lets tone things down guys."
This is Ike Clanton in Tombstone. The only response is to kick them in the teeth and send them running "Hells coming with me."