It is a miracle that any non-woke children come out of government schools at all. Collegiate education programs have been hard progressive left since the 1980s.
Although, I don't have evidence of this but I believe the reason many kids aren't all indoctrinated is because of both a combination of genetics and "adversity".
IMO, when a young person does what he's told to do and gets rewarded for it, he rarely breaks free of the indoctrination. It's when someone does what he's told to do and then doesn't get the result he expects does he then break free of the indoctrination.
Many people here would not be here if it weren't for the fact that they faced the adversity of not having quality video games with good storylines and cute girls to play. Once video games went woke, that was a disruption (adversity) that causes people to question things.
For a lot of people, the biggest wake up calls in life are women and career or being exposed to violence/oppression.
Face it, for a lot of White guys, they went to school got indoctrinated then acted like a feminist, worked hard in school to supposedly get a good job but then women treated them like trash and they never got that good job because of DEI. This adversity now forces people to reevaluate their indoctrination BUT ability to reevaluate things requires the nature (genetics) to be able to do so adequately.
A very astute summary that describes my journey fairly well. Only when the life I had been promised didn't fall into my lap (despite me doing all the 'right' things), did I really start to question things.
For a lot of people, the biggest wake up calls in life are women and career or being exposed to violence/oppression
I was redpilled by career first and to women embarrassingly late.
It's also fuzzy where exactly the turning point came with the redpill.
I'd like to think it came before COVID, but I can't think of a seminal moment.
The most defining moments I can think of were the Floyd riots and mask mandates. Because I definitely got fooled by the psyop for the 1st 3 months or so.
The turning point for me where I realized the reality I was told was not it was June 2015 when Donald Trump said the following and I saw the speech:
"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
Everyone in my social circles along with the media was saying that Trump is a racist because he called Mexicans rapists and murderers. I was dumbfounded because anyone with a basic understanding of English should realize that's not what he said at all. When I would try to use search engines to find the exact quote, I couldn't. It was all misinformation.
Up to this point, I realized the media was framing things to deceive people and misguide them. I also realized some people were deceived but it was at this moment that something triggered in my mind... Things are way worse than I realized and then from that point onwards I'd say I was truly "redpilled" and went down the rabbit hole hard.
What COVID did for me is realize how difficult it would be to change people's minds. Up until COVID, I thought I could just talk to people and convince them they've got things wrong about their worldview because of misinformation. After COVID, I realized changing people's minds on things is nearly impossible.
That Trump speech was the moment I started taking him seriously as a candidate, because that was the moment I realized the media was just outright lying about him.
"Don't bring the violence here and the ignorance here!"
....
.....
....
"Take it to the suburbs! Burn that shit down!"
I always knew that it was a game and a con, and the media couldnt be trusted. But I saw them broadly as motivated reasoners, agenda driven to emphasize what favored them and minimize what didn't. To fudge data, to clip quotes to make them seem more or less extreme.
But above all I considered them to be stupid failures, who couldn't research, were easily decieved, and couldn't actually understand what they were seeing. Theyd misinterpret statements because they were illiterate morons. Miss important informstion because they were witless dullards.
That was the moment when I saw them blatantly, obviously, purposefully, invert the truth. They KNEW she wasn't calling for peace. It wasn't thay she called for peace and it was blatantly a lie. She said the OPPOSITE of what they said she did.
I remember in my younger, more naive, days asking people not to use disparaging terms for aspergers, just because I'd seen that's what you were supposed to do regarding your identity. Being mocked and told no by people who were already on the road to the pronoun parade definitely got me thinking about why I wasn't allowed to play the game.
I was involved with a horrible BPD girl in 2013, so I immediately recognized what Zoe Quinn truly was. I’d already gone down the rabbit hole of the early manosphere by the time Gamergate kicked off and started this never ending culture war. That was followed by Trump, then covid hysteria, and finally George Floyd, all of which cemented media, academia, and entertainment as irredeemably evil.
Pattern recognition is an innate ability/instinct for most people. Schools try to overwrite that instinct with unquestioning obedience but it simply doesn't work reliably. Very few actually become true believers. Most simply keep their head down out of fear and societal pressure. Humans are herd animals in the end. Women especially.
That's why the state and media is constantly pumping out fear porn. Nuclear armageddon, world-ending pandemics, climate apocalypse, you name it. Terrified people don't dare to question the status quo.
Because cognitive dissonance is very uncomfortable for most people. It is much easier to hold to a lie told to others than it is to hold to a lie told to yourself. Eventually, the dam will break.
Because cognitive dissonance is very uncomfortable for most people.
Most people refuse to deal with it, or even acknowledge it. They just ignore and keep playing real world sims.
The number of times I pointed out OBVIOUS inconsistencies and BS about the Covid vaccines to highly educated and qualified people, only to be met with the NPC stare was actually eerily fuckin creepy. I could see them just mentally go into standby mode in real time. Not arguing, not challenging anything I was saying, just making that stupid fucking face 😐
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Then a day or two later they’d be back at the office proudly declaring they’d had their next booster. Even when discussing everything now in hindsight four years later, there’s almost no self reflection or debate etc, just that same stupid face.
Good description. I witnessed the npc blue screen several times. All you have to do is present a very well-documented fact that goes hard against their programming. They literally shut down right in front of you. Because that’s how they can avoid shattering their whole world.
Yeah. Might take a while depending on the culture/people but it always inevitably happens. Even China seems to be getting pretty close to the breaking point.
Hilariously enough, for China it was a combination of the civilisation-ending "one child policy" combined with feminist-osmosis that seeped in from Western nations under the guise of encouraging women to compete in the workforce.
The biological imperative of hypergamy worked its magic, as Chinese men are now facing both a dearth of female options AND having to compete with them for social status. The women now get to be picky, have their independence, and make as much as their potential male suitors.
This has resulted in the young men in China finally waking up to realise that the soft-communist state they've been operating under promises nothing, leads to nothing, resulted in a surplus of 30 million extra males with no possibility of finding a potential mate or continuing their line, and that the system is rigged.
They've seen the patterns of the West invade their own culture and now I'm curious what they're going to do about it? ...Or will they wallow in porn and gambling addictions to avoid the inevitable crumbling infrastructure when their birth rates keep plummeting?
It's more like the Wizard of Oz. No one has the power they claim. It's all a trick. It only works as long as you don't look behind the curtain.
This is why they have to control the message so hard. Fire anyone who dissents. Take away their house, their kids, their bank account, all of their human rights. Dehumanize them and ritually torture them in public.
It's why comedians are a target. Some schlub with nothing to lose cracking jokes in a basement is a legitimate threat to their power. Tells you all you need to know about their supposed "power."
Those attending college in the Teacher program have the worst reputation for lack of intelligence, and have for decades. How we somehow got it into our heads that the dumbest among us would be the people we would hand off our kids to for 7-8 hours a day is a mystery to me.
You wonder if it was chicken-or-egg with elementary school teaching (and less so HS and college) being almost exclusively the domain of women.
Women are notoriously known to be the best apparatchiks.
But the pioneer, frontier one-room schoolroom tropes almost always have a young woman leading the classroom (likely because the men were needed for wars and labor).
Private schools and higher education historically were more male led.
Try much earlier, but I suppose there's a far argument about 'how much'.
Come to think, that's a topic I don't believe I've seen many people research to my knowledge. Can't imagine why.
Those Kent state protestors? Yeah, they don't tell you why they were protesting or what was going on before they got shot, or what group they were advocating for. They totally got what they deserved.
The saving grace is that they're good at subverting institutions not building them. They weasel into the programing of established moral systems, pervert the language and re-direct its outputs towards their ends.
Kids are un-built institutions, and despite what the Tower would have you believe. Its really hard to direct somebody' emotional and intellectual development with any accuracy. Genetics are too unpredictable even just between siblings.
So leftists try to indoctrinate, but it's something they're largely bad at. They're too anti structural, and their language of subversion doesn't have a good loop kill. The right wing is much, much better at indoctrination because it values structure for its own sake in a way that leftist does not, and values consistency along with simplicity. The concept of "intersectionality" DEMANDS nuance, things can be unforgivable or required depending on the circumstances, Right wing ideologies don't have that nearly as much.
A right winger might say that black people are incompatible with civilization, but admit that the occasional black person can be an exception. The left meanwhile demands that blacks be treated as unquestioned authorities on morality at some moments, and in others be comepltely ignored as irrelevant, depending on the topic.
While both don't have an absolute consistency, the Left version of this INVERTS it's truth, rather than shuffling it's feet vaguely and claiming a grey area.
Indoctrination is based on simplicity. Convictions must be clunky, secure, and unquestioned, trust in the principles must not lead one into confusion.
The Progressive Education system existed solely to rob rural communities of their children to psychologically condition them into being factory workers the moment they left school.
That policy has gone so far off the rails that none of them can even work in factories, and factory jobs require higher education.
The Progressive Educational system has been a complete disaster and hasn't served any real purpose since the 1970's with major investments in robotics and automation.
And spare us the echo-posting. Don't pretend like anglos, both catholic and protestant, weren't heavily invested in Progressivism.
Don’t just blame the schools. The parents agreed with it or turned a blind eye. After seeing parent after parent whose child was killed by someone who wasn’t white and said “I don’t blame them”, the parents are to blame as much as the school.
Gen Z seems less woke than "millenials". But I hate the bullshit notion of "generations. I remember life before the internet and yet I am somehow lumped in with people born after AOL became a thing.
It is a miracle that any non-woke children come out of government schools at all. Collegiate education programs have been hard progressive left since the 1980s.
Although, I don't have evidence of this but I believe the reason many kids aren't all indoctrinated is because of both a combination of genetics and "adversity".
IMO, when a young person does what he's told to do and gets rewarded for it, he rarely breaks free of the indoctrination. It's when someone does what he's told to do and then doesn't get the result he expects does he then break free of the indoctrination.
Many people here would not be here if it weren't for the fact that they faced the adversity of not having quality video games with good storylines and cute girls to play. Once video games went woke, that was a disruption (adversity) that causes people to question things.
For a lot of people, the biggest wake up calls in life are women and career or being exposed to violence/oppression.
Face it, for a lot of White guys, they went to school got indoctrinated then acted like a feminist, worked hard in school to supposedly get a good job but then women treated them like trash and they never got that good job because of DEI. This adversity now forces people to reevaluate their indoctrination BUT ability to reevaluate things requires the nature (genetics) to be able to do so adequately.
A very astute summary that describes my journey fairly well. Only when the life I had been promised didn't fall into my lap (despite me doing all the 'right' things), did I really start to question things.
I was redpilled by career first and to women embarrassingly late.
It's also fuzzy where exactly the turning point came with the redpill.
I'd like to think it came before COVID, but I can't think of a seminal moment.
The most defining moments I can think of were the Floyd riots and mask mandates. Because I definitely got fooled by the psyop for the 1st 3 months or so.
The turning point for me where I realized the reality I was told was not it was June 2015 when Donald Trump said the following and I saw the speech:
"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
Everyone in my social circles along with the media was saying that Trump is a racist because he called Mexicans rapists and murderers. I was dumbfounded because anyone with a basic understanding of English should realize that's not what he said at all. When I would try to use search engines to find the exact quote, I couldn't. It was all misinformation.
Up to this point, I realized the media was framing things to deceive people and misguide them. I also realized some people were deceived but it was at this moment that something triggered in my mind... Things are way worse than I realized and then from that point onwards I'd say I was truly "redpilled" and went down the rabbit hole hard.
What COVID did for me is realize how difficult it would be to change people's minds. Up until COVID, I thought I could just talk to people and convince them they've got things wrong about their worldview because of misinformation. After COVID, I realized changing people's minds on things is nearly impossible.
That Trump speech was the moment I started taking him seriously as a candidate, because that was the moment I realized the media was just outright lying about him.
"With his sister.. calling for peace"
"Don't bring the violence here and the ignorance here!"
....
.....
....
"Take it to the suburbs! Burn that shit down!"
I always knew that it was a game and a con, and the media couldnt be trusted. But I saw them broadly as motivated reasoners, agenda driven to emphasize what favored them and minimize what didn't. To fudge data, to clip quotes to make them seem more or less extreme.
But above all I considered them to be stupid failures, who couldn't research, were easily decieved, and couldn't actually understand what they were seeing. Theyd misinterpret statements because they were illiterate morons. Miss important informstion because they were witless dullards.
That was the moment when I saw them blatantly, obviously, purposefully, invert the truth. They KNEW she wasn't calling for peace. It wasn't thay she called for peace and it was blatantly a lie. She said the OPPOSITE of what they said she did.
All downhill from there.
I remember in my younger, more naive, days asking people not to use disparaging terms for aspergers, just because I'd seen that's what you were supposed to do regarding your identity. Being mocked and told no by people who were already on the road to the pronoun parade definitely got me thinking about why I wasn't allowed to play the game.
I was involved with a horrible BPD girl in 2013, so I immediately recognized what Zoe Quinn truly was. I’d already gone down the rabbit hole of the early manosphere by the time Gamergate kicked off and started this never ending culture war. That was followed by Trump, then covid hysteria, and finally George Floyd, all of which cemented media, academia, and entertainment as irredeemably evil.
Pattern recognition is an innate ability/instinct for most people. Schools try to overwrite that instinct with unquestioning obedience but it simply doesn't work reliably. Very few actually become true believers. Most simply keep their head down out of fear and societal pressure. Humans are herd animals in the end. Women especially.
That's why the state and media is constantly pumping out fear porn. Nuclear armageddon, world-ending pandemics, climate apocalypse, you name it. Terrified people don't dare to question the status quo.
Because cognitive dissonance is very uncomfortable for most people. It is much easier to hold to a lie told to others than it is to hold to a lie told to yourself. Eventually, the dam will break.
Most people refuse to deal with it, or even acknowledge it. They just ignore and keep playing real world sims.
The number of times I pointed out OBVIOUS inconsistencies and BS about the Covid vaccines to highly educated and qualified people, only to be met with the NPC stare was actually eerily fuckin creepy. I could see them just mentally go into standby mode in real time. Not arguing, not challenging anything I was saying, just making that stupid fucking face 😐
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Then a day or two later they’d be back at the office proudly declaring they’d had their next booster. Even when discussing everything now in hindsight four years later, there’s almost no self reflection or debate etc, just that same stupid face.
Good description. I witnessed the npc blue screen several times. All you have to do is present a very well-documented fact that goes hard against their programming. They literally shut down right in front of you. Because that’s how they can avoid shattering their whole world.
Yeah. Might take a while depending on the culture/people but it always inevitably happens. Even China seems to be getting pretty close to the breaking point.
Hilariously enough, for China it was a combination of the civilisation-ending "one child policy" combined with feminist-osmosis that seeped in from Western nations under the guise of encouraging women to compete in the workforce.
The biological imperative of hypergamy worked its magic, as Chinese men are now facing both a dearth of female options AND having to compete with them for social status. The women now get to be picky, have their independence, and make as much as their potential male suitors.
This has resulted in the young men in China finally waking up to realise that the soft-communist state they've been operating under promises nothing, leads to nothing, resulted in a surplus of 30 million extra males with no possibility of finding a potential mate or continuing their line, and that the system is rigged.
They've seen the patterns of the West invade their own culture and now I'm curious what they're going to do about it? ...Or will they wallow in porn and gambling addictions to avoid the inevitable crumbling infrastructure when their birth rates keep plummeting?
Look at what they pay teachers.
This is not an operation based on competence.
It's more like the Wizard of Oz. No one has the power they claim. It's all a trick. It only works as long as you don't look behind the curtain.
This is why they have to control the message so hard. Fire anyone who dissents. Take away their house, their kids, their bank account, all of their human rights. Dehumanize them and ritually torture them in public.
It's why comedians are a target. Some schlub with nothing to lose cracking jokes in a basement is a legitimate threat to their power. Tells you all you need to know about their supposed "power."
Those attending college in the Teacher program have the worst reputation for lack of intelligence, and have for decades. How we somehow got it into our heads that the dumbest among us would be the people we would hand off our kids to for 7-8 hours a day is a mystery to me.
You wonder if it was chicken-or-egg with elementary school teaching (and less so HS and college) being almost exclusively the domain of women.
Women are notoriously known to be the best apparatchiks.
But the pioneer, frontier one-room schoolroom tropes almost always have a young woman leading the classroom (likely because the men were needed for wars and labor).
Private schools and higher education historically were more male led.
It's also because they have to have the veneer of "school" as well as the logistics involved in dozens of kids in a class.
It would be far more effective if they could just sit the kids down and propagandise them individually all day.
Try much earlier, but I suppose there's a far argument about 'how much'.
Come to think, that's a topic I don't believe I've seen many people research to my knowledge. Can't imagine why.
Those Kent state protestors? Yeah, they don't tell you why they were protesting or what was going on before they got shot, or what group they were advocating for. They totally got what they deserved.
The saving grace is that they're good at subverting institutions not building them. They weasel into the programing of established moral systems, pervert the language and re-direct its outputs towards their ends.
Kids are un-built institutions, and despite what the Tower would have you believe. Its really hard to direct somebody' emotional and intellectual development with any accuracy. Genetics are too unpredictable even just between siblings.
So leftists try to indoctrinate, but it's something they're largely bad at. They're too anti structural, and their language of subversion doesn't have a good loop kill. The right wing is much, much better at indoctrination because it values structure for its own sake in a way that leftist does not, and values consistency along with simplicity. The concept of "intersectionality" DEMANDS nuance, things can be unforgivable or required depending on the circumstances, Right wing ideologies don't have that nearly as much.
A right winger might say that black people are incompatible with civilization, but admit that the occasional black person can be an exception. The left meanwhile demands that blacks be treated as unquestioned authorities on morality at some moments, and in others be comepltely ignored as irrelevant, depending on the topic.
While both don't have an absolute consistency, the Left version of this INVERTS it's truth, rather than shuffling it's feet vaguely and claiming a grey area.
Indoctrination is based on simplicity. Convictions must be clunky, secure, and unquestioned, trust in the principles must not lead one into confusion.
Homeschool used to be the norm
and (((public education))) was the experiment, and now... it is the norm
remove the (((govt))) and bring back parent to child education and everything will return to normal
The Progressive Education system existed solely to rob rural communities of their children to psychologically condition them into being factory workers the moment they left school.
That policy has gone so far off the rails that none of them can even work in factories, and factory jobs require higher education.
The Progressive Educational system has been a complete disaster and hasn't served any real purpose since the 1970's with major investments in robotics and automation.
And spare us the echo-posting. Don't pretend like anglos, both catholic and protestant, weren't heavily invested in Progressivism.
Don’t just blame the schools. The parents agreed with it or turned a blind eye. After seeing parent after parent whose child was killed by someone who wasn’t white and said “I don’t blame them”, the parents are to blame as much as the school.
“Mommy’s busy right now sweetheart, here… just watch YouTube…”
They arrest parents for letting their kids walk around and play outside, and yet they think that is better advice that will be less damaging.
Education is of paramount importance.
Public Education should be criminalized.
Gen Z seems less woke than "millenials". But I hate the bullshit notion of "generations. I remember life before the internet and yet I am somehow lumped in with people born after AOL became a thing.