Gura had stopped regularly streaming for years at this point. I don't know what the straw that broke the camel's back was, but it was clear this was going to happen sooner or later.
I'll miss her. She sounded optimistic during Fauna's graduation call in so I'm assuming she does want to continue streaming afterwards.
She sounded so defeated in this video, though. We might never know what pushed her to this point, or if it was just one thing instead of her just finally looking at the situation and making this choice.
This has been in the works for a while. I predicted she would be next 2 months ago when she started doing a ton of collabs. I did not expect Mumei, I wasn't watching her to hear about her health issues though.
IIRC, the California office isn’t even an office, it’s a merch warehouse, all of the actual managers live in Japan.
What is taxing for anyone who wants to be a corporate vtuber is that you will be expected to fly over to the headquarters of your agency and be there for at least a month or so out of the year every year, if not moreso depending on certain aspects.
I’m not sure how many people have children that would want to become a vtuber, but the most useful thing that your child can learn to get an advantage is Japanese. Even as an independent vtuber, shit helps a ton in terms of marketing.
But yeah, I don’t believe that Cover is going full Nijisanji anytime soon, but I do wonder how Cover plans on adapting to all of this. Motoaki Tanigo, otherwise known as Yagoo, the CEO of Cover Corp, has been having regular meetings with the talents as a way to figure out each of their specific issues to try and mitigate things, but we shall see. For a lot of the members of the earlier Japanese generations, being a member of Hololive was their first job.
To be fair, some of the most 'based' FEMALE takes have come from vtubers.
Maybe the distance created by having an avatar represent you means they are less inclined to herd mentality, but I've heard more 'please repeal the right for women to vote' and 'shove pdfs into chippers' from them than other women.
It's likely still a form of herd mentality, they say 'based' things to pander to their overwhelmingly male audience so they'll donate more. It's as much of an act as the uwu kawai desu bullshit.
bullshit, every real wise counter-culture revolutionary watches English-speaking women pretend to be little Japanese anime girls who fish for donations by making sex jokes until the day they "graduate" (and presumably grow too old to be attractive to these true revolutionaries)
Hololive is a publishing/talent management company for VTubers. It was based in Japan but seems to be leaning closer to the promise of Commiefornia cash. Graduation is a soft term for leaving the company. A lot of them will go back to streaming independently after a year in a different model (their virtual persona.)
The more popular ones are pretty funny and red pills for the younger age.
By context I'm going to assume 'graduation' means retiring, but they can't say retire because that's what old people do, young people graduate. Fake and gay branding nonsense, and I can't help but think about Cloud Atlas where the clone slave girls are 'retired' with a big glamorous ceremony and told they'll be sent to an island paradise as a cover for them being euthanized and processed into a protein slurry that gets fed to the other clone slave girls.
So I actually looked into this properly since these graduations have been popping up in several places I frequent lately and it annoyed me how little people understood investments.
First of all, Towa, another talent of the company, explained that the reason they keep using "disagreements with management" as a reason is that it's just a catch all term. They can use it if they don't feel like sharing the personal reasons they're splitting with the company, if they have actual disagreements, or just as a way to sponge up any gossip. It doesn't actually mean anything and it doesn't mean the company suddenly and spontaneously flipped the "be evil" switch on the wall by accident.
Second, a lot of people blame them "going public" but ignore why they did. It was seed investors, which means they just gave the company some money early on for some large chunk of it but not necessarily a majority. That means that most likely the investors had a term that said that after a set period they'd want a way to make their money back, which would either be the company buying them out or it going public so they could sell the shares they owned on the open marker. The boss of the company regularly tells them no in the public shareholder meetings anyway in "office speak", so it's pretty clear he or his "faction" still holds majority and he didn't use the opportunity to sell his own.
Overall it seems more like internet sensationalism to me.
I have not had the ability to keep up with Vtubers, but I have to say that this situation, if it's true, has bought to mind some claims about Nijisanji's decline in quality as a company, which I feel could be seen as a sign of VTubers as a whole dying as a trend. I can understand it's not necessarily a situation that shows internal rot, but if it is, then there is something that shows problems.
Nijisanji managed to shoot themselves not just in the foot, but in the head several times. It was a great display of incompetence on their part and a much better example of a company run chasing shareholders than this one. I imagine Cover's problem is that some of the girls probably had cooled off and became more lukewarm on the company, some had legitimate health reasons to leave, and their management pushed a rather minor internal change that made those girls decide they wanted to bow out while the ones who had more reason to stay shrugged it off.
I dont see this as any sign that EN is in trouble. Pretty much everyone has seen this coming for almost a year now (considering she barely streamed anymore).
Hell, other than Fauna coming out of left field and the only one who seemed to have some sort of actual beef with Cover, the rest of the graduations in EN were people that everyone saw coming. Gura and Ame were constantly talking about burn out (even as Dooby "Ame" has talked about how she doesnt feel like streaming as much) and Mumei has had a chronic and deteriorating throat/vocal cord condition for years now.
Meanwhile, both Advent and Justice have seen pretty significant growth even compared to Council and Myth, so it certainly isnt translating to the fan side.
Unfortunately, Mumei already confirmed on her past life account that if she comes back to streaming, it is going to be a while because it would take pretty extensive therapy to get rid of her chronic cough, and it has gotten to the point where it can be painful for her to speak long term (it was part of the reason she turned off her super-chats: She felt guilty about taking peoples money and not being able to read their messages, because she would have too many messages to read them before being in pain).
Trust me, she was one of my Oshi's so it hurts. But at the same time, I saw it coming.
I watched her since day-3 I think? She's really a whole level higher than most V-tubers. She gives a sense of being genuine as she pretends to be a shark-girl.
Now there's what? 50? 80? They started with 5? Nonsense.
She's all of 26 now? I hope she has a nice man in her life and has lots of babies. The world needs more good people like her.
Its that every part of her singing career is hilarious. Its a white girl in Japan trying to be black girl trying to be an anime girl, and being mostly sincere about it.
That's a joke so powerful that it doesn't need anything else. Its very existence makes everything she does hilarious.
Nobody here seems to be able to say the real reason so I'll be the one to do it.
From the very beginning, Hololive always advertised itself as Idol agency and its purpose is to create japanese-styled idols. That means each talent is expected to become more like Hoshimachi Suisei who has ceased acting as a virtual youtuber and became the first virtual idol. Some talents would preffer to remain comedian streamers with an anime avatar but every now and then Yagoo reminds them that his dream is not just a joke to be laughed at.
"Something really bad"
> Go public with your IPO
> Open an office in California
> Leftists mismanage your English talents so they leave
Gura had stopped regularly streaming for years at this point. I don't know what the straw that broke the camel's back was, but it was clear this was going to happen sooner or later.
I'll miss her. She sounded optimistic during Fauna's graduation call in so I'm assuming she does want to continue streaming afterwards.
A-
She sounded so defeated in this video, though. We might never know what pushed her to this point, or if it was just one thing instead of her just finally looking at the situation and making this choice.
This has been in the works for a while. I predicted she would be next 2 months ago when she started doing a ton of collabs. I did not expect Mumei, I wasn't watching her to hear about her health issues though.
IIRC, the California office isn’t even an office, it’s a merch warehouse, all of the actual managers live in Japan.
What is taxing for anyone who wants to be a corporate vtuber is that you will be expected to fly over to the headquarters of your agency and be there for at least a month or so out of the year every year, if not moreso depending on certain aspects.
I’m not sure how many people have children that would want to become a vtuber, but the most useful thing that your child can learn to get an advantage is Japanese. Even as an independent vtuber, shit helps a ton in terms of marketing.
But yeah, I don’t believe that Cover is going full Nijisanji anytime soon, but I do wonder how Cover plans on adapting to all of this. Motoaki Tanigo, otherwise known as Yagoo, the CEO of Cover Corp, has been having regular meetings with the talents as a way to figure out each of their specific issues to try and mitigate things, but we shall see. For a lot of the members of the earlier Japanese generations, being a member of Hololive was their first job.
KIA 2025: Unironically holding the works of Oswald Spengler in one hand and V-Tube merch in the other.
To be fair, some of the most 'based' FEMALE takes have come from vtubers.
Maybe the distance created by having an avatar represent you means they are less inclined to herd mentality, but I've heard more 'please repeal the right for women to vote' and 'shove pdfs into chippers' from them than other women.
It's usually the rabbits and foxes that are more likely to be based. Dunno why.
So we should stop working on catgirls, change to rabbit and fox girls?
Although, a Rabbit girl WOULD solve our population issues...
Gigity!
It's likely still a form of herd mentality, they say 'based' things to pander to their overwhelmingly male audience so they'll donate more. It's as much of an act as the uwu kawai desu bullshit.
there actually have been studies done that showed when anonmity is involved people tend to do things they normaly wouldnt.
I honestly have no fucking clue here and feel like an old man.
Graduating? Hololive? What? What the fuck?
Whoever made this thread is a chinkoid, no human alive watches this shit.
I have to agree lol
bullshit, every real wise counter-culture revolutionary watches English-speaking women pretend to be little Japanese anime girls who fish for donations by making sex jokes until the day they "graduate" (and presumably grow too old to be attractive to these true revolutionaries)
Hololive is a publishing/talent management company for VTubers. It was based in Japan but seems to be leaning closer to the promise of Commiefornia cash. Graduation is a soft term for leaving the company. A lot of them will go back to streaming independently after a year in a different model (their virtual persona.)
The more popular ones are pretty funny and red pills for the younger age.
By context I'm going to assume 'graduation' means retiring, but they can't say retire because that's what old people do, young people graduate. Fake and gay branding nonsense, and I can't help but think about Cloud Atlas where the clone slave girls are 'retired' with a big glamorous ceremony and told they'll be sent to an island paradise as a cover for them being euthanized and processed into a protein slurry that gets fed to the other clone slave girls.
it's a jp idol culture thing. when a girl leaves a group it's a graduation.
If this faggotry is what gamers watch, I'm not so sure the world needs games. There are people below talking like these fake YouTubers are real.
Edit: Lol, notice how nobody can dispute this shit is gay as fuck, just downvotes to go with their pathetic shame.
man, just can't find a linkable pic of the 'are you winning son' meme with the femboy and hitler poster.
It's almost like this community has more than one person in it.
It is indeed quite the whiplash, and I do kind of enjoy it.
So I actually looked into this properly since these graduations have been popping up in several places I frequent lately and it annoyed me how little people understood investments.
First of all, Towa, another talent of the company, explained that the reason they keep using "disagreements with management" as a reason is that it's just a catch all term. They can use it if they don't feel like sharing the personal reasons they're splitting with the company, if they have actual disagreements, or just as a way to sponge up any gossip. It doesn't actually mean anything and it doesn't mean the company suddenly and spontaneously flipped the "be evil" switch on the wall by accident.
Second, a lot of people blame them "going public" but ignore why they did. It was seed investors, which means they just gave the company some money early on for some large chunk of it but not necessarily a majority. That means that most likely the investors had a term that said that after a set period they'd want a way to make their money back, which would either be the company buying them out or it going public so they could sell the shares they owned on the open marker. The boss of the company regularly tells them no in the public shareholder meetings anyway in "office speak", so it's pretty clear he or his "faction" still holds majority and he didn't use the opportunity to sell his own.
Overall it seems more like internet sensationalism to me.
I would hope so. The girls there seem like very good people, the long-since-graduated Uruha Rushia (Mikeneko) aside--she was legit psycho.
I have not had the ability to keep up with Vtubers, but I have to say that this situation, if it's true, has bought to mind some claims about Nijisanji's decline in quality as a company, which I feel could be seen as a sign of VTubers as a whole dying as a trend. I can understand it's not necessarily a situation that shows internal rot, but if it is, then there is something that shows problems.
Nijisanji managed to shoot themselves not just in the foot, but in the head several times. It was a great display of incompetence on their part and a much better example of a company run chasing shareholders than this one. I imagine Cover's problem is that some of the girls probably had cooled off and became more lukewarm on the company, some had legitimate health reasons to leave, and their management pushed a rather minor internal change that made those girls decide they wanted to bow out while the ones who had more reason to stay shrugged it off.
I dont see this as any sign that EN is in trouble. Pretty much everyone has seen this coming for almost a year now (considering she barely streamed anymore).
Hell, other than Fauna coming out of left field and the only one who seemed to have some sort of actual beef with Cover, the rest of the graduations in EN were people that everyone saw coming. Gura and Ame were constantly talking about burn out (even as Dooby "Ame" has talked about how she doesnt feel like streaming as much) and Mumei has had a chronic and deteriorating throat/vocal cord condition for years now.
Meanwhile, both Advent and Justice have seen pretty significant growth even compared to Council and Myth, so it certainly isnt translating to the fan side.
Oh crap, I had no idea Mumei/whatever she calls herself now had that serious a condition. Poor girl.
Unfortunately, Mumei already confirmed on her past life account that if she comes back to streaming, it is going to be a while because it would take pretty extensive therapy to get rid of her chronic cough, and it has gotten to the point where it can be painful for her to speak long term (it was part of the reason she turned off her super-chats: She felt guilty about taking peoples money and not being able to read their messages, because she would have too many messages to read them before being in pain).
Trust me, she was one of my Oshi's so it hurts. But at the same time, I saw it coming.
Wow. What a kind-hearted woman. Not like those greedy live-action streamers.
I wish I'd known this sooner so I could have helped her.
I watched her since day-3 I think? She's really a whole level higher than most V-tubers. She gives a sense of being genuine as she pretends to be a shark-girl.
Now there's what? 50? 80? They started with 5? Nonsense.
She's all of 26 now? I hope she has a nice man in her life and has lots of babies. The world needs more good people like her.
MoriChads outlive another one.
I wish people would stop gaslighting that poor girl in to thinking she can sing worth a damn.
Mori Calliope gave us the anti-woke song "Internet Brain Rot."
She'll always be good in my book.
That's some all right messaging in there. Good on her.
Also maybe less horse jokes... Kinda too cursed for my taste.
Tell that to the Japanese royal family, considering she just performed at an event when them present.
The Japanese people also find the chick from Evanescence entertaining, like David Hasslehoff with the Germans a few decades back.
Alternate take: We fought a war so we don't HAVE to give a damn what any member of royalty thinks.
*eagles fly, fireworks like up the air, and a bold projection of the 'MURICAN FLAG waves in the sky*
The point isn't quality of her singing.
Its that every part of her singing career is hilarious. Its a white girl in Japan trying to be black girl trying to be an anime girl, and being mostly sincere about it.
That's a joke so powerful that it doesn't need anything else. Its very existence makes everything she does hilarious.
Root, root root for the Dodgers, if they don't win it's a shame...
Less than 1 year between headlining in an MLB halftime show, and graduating.
I assume the disagreement with management in this case is that management wanted her to stream more than once or twice a month.
Nobody here seems to be able to say the real reason so I'll be the one to do it. From the very beginning, Hololive always advertised itself as Idol agency and its purpose is to create japanese-styled idols. That means each talent is expected to become more like Hoshimachi Suisei who has ceased acting as a virtual youtuber and became the first virtual idol. Some talents would preffer to remain comedian streamers with an anime avatar but every now and then Yagoo reminds them that his dream is not just a joke to be laughed at.
End of an era man
Poor little shark, ever since the first “A”, she was incredible.