This is why a lot of the smarter uber rich play both sides of the field and generally don't make politician condemnations - you don't get put in the awkward position of having to make appeals to the guy you've spent a decade calling literally Hitler.
I am for a new law that puts Mark Ruffalo, Ben Stiller, and 400 other degenerates out of work permanently. They can pick fruit in place of all of the illegals that are going back home.
I know deep down the AI thing will eventually grow out of control and probably have extreme economic effects that aren't exactly great.
But everytime I hear someone crying about "muh labor" being taken by AI, its the most unsympathetic person possible whose spent years laughing at every problem I've had. And now they want us to care about their easy life getting less cushy, and kneecap ourselves to give them more money instead of having the means of production in our hands.
Yep, the 'creative class' only a few years ago were giddy at the prospect that factory jobs for white men were going to be made obsolete with robots and an endless horde of immigrants. Now they're panicking because it's their jobs that might be made obsolete.
I noticed the same thing, artists on the left and right are concerned about the effects of AI but only the ones on the left are screeching about their artwork being stolen and how we need new laws against AI. The ones on the right are figuring out how they can pivot to take advantage of the newly forming economy.
I think it's a good example of how the left and right differ on pattern recognition / experience.
The left think if they control the AI, then they'll have the upper hand socially, and get to decide who gets the cushy jobs and who gets protected. They aren't thinking about money, just hierarchy.
The right know that if you handicap AI for a situation like this, that China, Japan, Russia, will just continue business as usual, and end up with the economic advantage.
I've seen a few right wing takes on the AI thing being a problem, but they were mostly nuanced instead of screeching. It was closer to "we aren't going to stop this, so we need to learn to work within it and stop the worse of it before it sinks in" compared to the temper tantrum of the Left demanding its banned entirely.
I agree, the fact that robotics will take a long time to catch up with AI means that computers will eventually be able to do all the white collar jobs, while us plebs get to do the manual labor. Unfortunately, the only ones pushing back against AI are very insufferable like you said.
Whenever I see some faggot on tumblr (I know, I know) mocking working class Americans' concerns about illegal aliens, but then on the other hand screeching about AI, I reply to their post with "the illegal AI's are taking our jobs!".
If translators and lolcowlizers actually did their job, I'd be more worried about the health and long-term-solvency of their job posting.
Instead, we get "are you one of those Gamergate freakshows?" as a translation of "you should be using proper honorifics when speaking to your seniors", and "I was fed up with the Patriarchical heteronormative standards" as a translation of "Everyone was staring, so I switched my outfit".
The AI could hallucinate, and still be more accurate in their translations than the "professionals". Maybe they should have done their jobs instead of political grandstanding using their job as a pulpit.
I haven't watched any AI translated anime but has anyone else noticed that the subtitles on many anime don't feel right anymore? I've been watching anime since the 90s and this is something I've noticed the last few years. I generally understand some words in Japanese and understand their translation yet the subtitles seem to be taking vast liberties.
Fansubbing pretty much died and is no longer there to keep the English side of the industry in line by offering the superior product. You're not the only one who has picked up on the spoken Japanese not matching the onscreen translation more and more frequently.
Yep. Nowadays the only media that gets fansubbed is tokusatsu, and that's mostly because Toei refuses to put Kamen Rider and Super Sentai on the various streaming services in the West
It absolutely is. The only question is whether the big content providers will manage to wrap it up in so much red tape that they can still exploit the talent without letting the general public make their own stuff.
I don’t really see the difference between an AI being trained on “copyrighted” data and a human artist having a diverse and wide ranging set of influences that inspired their own creations. As long as you’re not making a 1:1 copy, what’s the problem? We’re all standing on the shoulders of giants as the saying goes; AI can just do it more effectively.
Automation makes the common worker both unreliable (relative to a computer) and not cost effective. Its been the death of massive swaths of jobs and careers over the last two-ish centuries, because technology doesn't stop. Its a rather large and complex web of philosophy, economics and the like that isn't super black/white on what's best.
But the problem is that the AI conversation right now is about automation coming for the arts, who considered themselves above and immune to such risks. Its why they said "learn to code" when it happened to miners, because they felt above such things.
So they are whining extra hard and trying to drag everybody into their fight, while they don't shed a tear for everyone else who got fucked by automation.
I worry less about that and more about the long term stifling of human creativity. As people incorporate AI into their own works, things start to become more derivative. The AI cannot generate anything new, it can only mimic what already exists within its training data. As humans use AI more and more, that training data available will come to contain less and less in the way genuine human ingenuity and will instead be AI outputs being used to train the next generation of AI in a slow and inexorably degradation of all forms of human creativity. It's not a readily apparent pitfall because it's on an extended timeline and half the population did have breakfast today, but it's something that's far more sinister than "this AI can draw better hentai commissions than I can because it copied me."
Oh man, I hope Trump tells them to go pound sand and allows AI companies to tear their works apart. Unfortunately, the copyright industry has so far always gotten its will.
I hope he publicly fucks with them. Like he agrees to what they want, say "we need to start working together" then as hes about to sign the bill, lift the pen, wait a couple of seconds then put it down and say "Changed my mind".
Generative AI should be considered transformative as far as the copyright of its training data is concerned, just like an artist with a memory of every painting and movie they've seen.
The EU recently released their AI regulation framework. It's actually sensible except for copyright stuff, where they fucked up royally. They require proper copyright license for training data, which means the EU is untenable for AI development. The EU is now condemned to be a user and not an innovator of AI.
Copyrighted training data WILL be used for AI, whether it needs to be done illegally or in countries that allow it. All you accomplish with copyright regulations on AI is taking your country out of the race.
Hollywood is afraid of me. I've seen its true face. The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of queer semen and when the drains finally scab over all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and faggotry will foam up about their waists and all the whores and actors will look up and shout "Save us!" ...and I'll look down, and whisper "No."
Mark Ruffalo? I have no idea who the guy is, but I do know he said this about the pedo who got shot:
��We come together to mourn the lives lost to the same racist system that devalues Black lives and devalued the lives of Anthony and JoJo [Rosenbaum]. #ReimagineKenosha� link - archive.org - archive.today
“Most of these are the people going around calling LGBTQIA+ groomers, attacking trans kids and parents, labeling their foes pedophiles—all while blocking a bill that helps real victims of grooming and pedophiles. Frauds, grifters & generally awful people.
The same Hollywood names who called Trump’s voting base nazis and go on piss-baby fits when he was on camera? The same ones that booed when get shot because he didn’t die and cheered when one innocent father died? Yea.. fuck ‘em.
Like Hollywood isn't already obsessed with doing exactly this, shoving shitty agendas into literally every IP they can dig up. They've been busier than a cucumber in a women's prison. Are they afraid it might fix something?
This is why a lot of the smarter uber rich play both sides of the field and generally don't make politician condemnations - you don't get put in the awkward position of having to make appeals to the guy you've spent a decade calling literally Hitler.
I am for a new law that puts Mark Ruffalo, Ben Stiller, and 400 other degenerates out of work permanently. They can pick fruit in place of all of the illegals that are going back home.
I know deep down the AI thing will eventually grow out of control and probably have extreme economic effects that aren't exactly great.
But everytime I hear someone crying about "muh labor" being taken by AI, its the most unsympathetic person possible whose spent years laughing at every problem I've had. And now they want us to care about their easy life getting less cushy, and kneecap ourselves to give them more money instead of having the means of production in our hands.
Yep, the 'creative class' only a few years ago were giddy at the prospect that factory jobs for white men were going to be made obsolete with robots and an endless horde of immigrants. Now they're panicking because it's their jobs that might be made obsolete.
I noticed the same thing, artists on the left and right are concerned about the effects of AI but only the ones on the left are screeching about their artwork being stolen and how we need new laws against AI. The ones on the right are figuring out how they can pivot to take advantage of the newly forming economy.
I think it's a good example of how the left and right differ on pattern recognition / experience.
The left think if they control the AI, then they'll have the upper hand socially, and get to decide who gets the cushy jobs and who gets protected. They aren't thinking about money, just hierarchy.
The right know that if you handicap AI for a situation like this, that China, Japan, Russia, will just continue business as usual, and end up with the economic advantage.
I've seen a few right wing takes on the AI thing being a problem, but they were mostly nuanced instead of screeching. It was closer to "we aren't going to stop this, so we need to learn to work within it and stop the worse of it before it sinks in" compared to the temper tantrum of the Left demanding its banned entirely.
I agree, the fact that robotics will take a long time to catch up with AI means that computers will eventually be able to do all the white collar jobs, while us plebs get to do the manual labor. Unfortunately, the only ones pushing back against AI are very insufferable like you said.
They spent years saying "Learn to Code, hahahaha!"
Well now the only thing to say to them is: learn to mine coal, faggots.
Whenever I see some faggot on tumblr (I know, I know) mocking working class Americans' concerns about illegal aliens, but then on the other hand screeching about AI, I reply to their post with "the illegal AI's are taking our jobs!".
Always gets the jimmies rustled.
It's going to happen. This is like advocating to ban the lightbulb because it will put lamp lighters out of business.
If translators and lolcowlizers actually did their job, I'd be more worried about the health and long-term-solvency of their job posting.
Instead, we get "are you one of those Gamergate freakshows?" as a translation of "you should be using proper honorifics when speaking to your seniors", and "I was fed up with the Patriarchical heteronormative standards" as a translation of "Everyone was staring, so I switched my outfit".
The AI could hallucinate, and still be more accurate in their translations than the "professionals". Maybe they should have done their jobs instead of political grandstanding using their job as a pulpit.
I haven't watched any AI translated anime but has anyone else noticed that the subtitles on many anime don't feel right anymore? I've been watching anime since the 90s and this is something I've noticed the last few years. I generally understand some words in Japanese and understand their translation yet the subtitles seem to be taking vast liberties.
What, like translating "Onee-sama" as "sissy"?
Old fansubbed anime taught you about their culture, idioms, and memes. Modern shit just imposes, colonizes, and rewrites the Japanese works.
I will take "all according to keikaku (TL note: Keikaku means plan)" in every single anime I watch, over Crunchyroll's horrible subs.
Fansubbing pretty much died and is no longer there to keep the English side of the industry in line by offering the superior product. You're not the only one who has picked up on the spoken Japanese not matching the onscreen translation more and more frequently.
Yep. Nowadays the only media that gets fansubbed is tokusatsu, and that's mostly because Toei refuses to put Kamen Rider and Super Sentai on the various streaming services in the West
It absolutely is. The only question is whether the big content providers will manage to wrap it up in so much red tape that they can still exploit the talent without letting the general public make their own stuff.
I support whatever mark ruffalo is against
I don’t really see the difference between an AI being trained on “copyrighted” data and a human artist having a diverse and wide ranging set of influences that inspired their own creations. As long as you’re not making a 1:1 copy, what’s the problem? We’re all standing on the shoulders of giants as the saying goes; AI can just do it more effectively.
Its the same problem as always.
Automation makes the common worker both unreliable (relative to a computer) and not cost effective. Its been the death of massive swaths of jobs and careers over the last two-ish centuries, because technology doesn't stop. Its a rather large and complex web of philosophy, economics and the like that isn't super black/white on what's best.
But the problem is that the AI conversation right now is about automation coming for the arts, who considered themselves above and immune to such risks. Its why they said "learn to code" when it happened to miners, because they felt above such things.
So they are whining extra hard and trying to drag everybody into their fight, while they don't shed a tear for everyone else who got fucked by automation.
Amusingly, artists who did learn to code, at least enough to work their own AI art systems, are sitting pretty.
They've dumbed down 'the arts' so far that an AI can do it.
I worry less about that and more about the long term stifling of human creativity. As people incorporate AI into their own works, things start to become more derivative. The AI cannot generate anything new, it can only mimic what already exists within its training data. As humans use AI more and more, that training data available will come to contain less and less in the way genuine human ingenuity and will instead be AI outputs being used to train the next generation of AI in a slow and inexorably degradation of all forms of human creativity. It's not a readily apparent pitfall because it's on an extended timeline and half the population did have breakfast today, but it's something that's far more sinister than "this AI can draw better hentai commissions than I can because it copied me."
Oh man, I hope Trump tells them to go pound sand and allows AI companies to tear their works apart. Unfortunately, the copyright industry has so far always gotten its will.
If these types do get put out of business, i hope the coder who designed the program was a former coal miner
Ha.
I hope he publicly fucks with them. Like he agrees to what they want, say "we need to start working together" then as hes about to sign the bill, lift the pen, wait a couple of seconds then put it down and say "Changed my mind".
Generative AI should be considered transformative as far as the copyright of its training data is concerned, just like an artist with a memory of every painting and movie they've seen.
The EU recently released their AI regulation framework. It's actually sensible except for copyright stuff, where they fucked up royally. They require proper copyright license for training data, which means the EU is untenable for AI development. The EU is now condemned to be a user and not an innovator of AI.
Copyrighted training data WILL be used for AI, whether it needs to be done illegally or in countries that allow it. All you accomplish with copyright regulations on AI is taking your country out of the race.
Yeah, it's as if AI wrote that for them.
A unified statement. So if one of them can be shown to be non-essential they all go down.
The outcome writes itself.
ILM already have Ruffalo down to his fingerprints and pores, a voice actor could dub him, an AI could dub them, the writing, music and camera work are already in the can and so we're now onto agents and they can be automated easily.
Seems like S1m0n3 was 23 years ahead of the game.
Best they can do just now if get outta Dodge before the Diddy trial starts up.
With a giant middle finger to Alan Moore:
Hollywood is afraid of me. I've seen its true face. The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of queer semen and when the drains finally scab over all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and faggotry will foam up about their waists and all the whores and actors will look up and shout "Save us!" ...and I'll look down, and whisper "No."
Mark Ruffalo? I have no idea who the guy is, but I do know he said this about the pedo who got shot:
Mark Ruffalo is the guy who played Bruce Banner/the Hulk in the MCU.
The same Hollywood names who called Trump’s voting base nazis and go on piss-baby fits when he was on camera? The same ones that booed when get shot because he didn’t die and cheered when one innocent father died? Yea.. fuck ‘em.
Like Hollywood isn't already obsessed with doing exactly this, shoving shitty agendas into literally every IP they can dig up. They've been busier than a cucumber in a women's prison. Are they afraid it might fix something?