If a simple executive order has this many effect, imagine what would have happened if Do Nothing Republicans had gotten off their ass just once and passed a law.
I know no one here likes Vivek, but credit where credit is due: he is the one who pointed out that a lot of this crap is not based on law, but on executive order, and that it thus can be revoked by executive order.
It could be an effective political tactic too, the inverse of the "political football." That's this fake game both parties play where they claim they just need a majority to get anything done. Then when the finally get a majority they still don't seem to have enough votes to do more than a small gesture to their base while the other party fiercely resists, until the ball is back on their side. In this way nothing is ever really accomplished but they get votes on the promise of doing better next time.
The rule by fiat tactic works the opposite way. You force through impermanent change and get votes from your base realizing if you are voted out the other side will undo everything. I doubt Trump is doing this intentionally but it's always fascinating to see how he gets things accomplished in an entirely different way than politicians.
Except you forgot the part where they pretend to do the things they promised and go "Oh I guess it wasn't enough, we need more money" and meanwhile all the money spent pretending to do those things was being send to their corrupt friends and themselves
Good analysis, except that both sides don't play political football, just the Republicans. Democrats are good at ramming their shit through, like Obama care. Republicans are the Washington Generals, a pretend opponent that always loses in the end. The only time they pass laws are when they are terrible like the Patriot Act.
That is why Trump is so popular, he actually is getting shit done.
Regarding the fiat tactic, the dems also do this all the time. Might as well play their game in our favor.
Yep. Historically speaking, when you give the government an inch, they take a mile.
I imagine most citizens loved the Sedition Act to fight those “foreign spies”…when instead all they did was allow the government to openly circumvent the first amendment.
Granted it only happened over. 2 year period. But 2 years is a lot of time to prosecute and tuck away whistleblowers and political opponents. Not to mention it paved the way for the Patriot Act as well
The executive power exists whether it's used or not. This should be a wakeup call to liberals to show how Obama's advances in power going unchallenged was a bad idea. Not that they'll get the message.
That's not going to work. Republican primary voters are voting these morons in. And I'm actually quite satisfied with how they're acting at the moment. Even long-time warmongers like Marco Rubio and that Waltz fellow are behaving themselves.
It would be much more difficult, because they'd have to make up a constitutional provision that mandates DEI, as oppposed to saying that the EO is not based on the law. And I don't think the Supreme Court that just threw out affirmative action 6-3 would do that. Some potential applications might - this might fall under a student's free speech - but not the thing as a whole.
IMHO a student has an unfettered right to post xir asinine pronouns if the platform allows it. The proper remedy in this case is to remove the pronoun field codes from the platform. ASU is in the wrong here, not any student who fails to take action. This is what happens when you try to keep pace with the leftist insanity game, you eventually will be made to look like the idiot you are.
Just to clarify: this isn't ASU proper, but the Air Force. The Air Force contracts out its distance learning to ASU's Canvas platform. You can see the Air University logo at the top left. The students that received this message are all in the military, and that's who the Executive Order applies to.
An important clarification. A random university threatening to throw grades down/out for something in your bio or the like is still a gross overstep in power, even if it feels cathartic and right. Its far more sensible to expect military personnel to comply with orders and being forced to be better representative.
I was going to say that I really wouldn't be okay with this, but that it's solely applying to a military institution is significantly better.
I'm still not 100% on with this, as cathartic as it might be, solely on the basis of freedom of speech, however I also know that acting in a representative capacity does change the dynamics.
You don't have freedom of speech in the military. You are actually expressly forbidden from going to political events or making public political statements.
The woke shit has been doubly obnoxious not just because it's sick and wrong but also because of the double standard - letting leftist goons get away with things they should be punished for, and would be if they were expressing right wing values.
Which is why I acknowledge it changes the dynamic. The only aspect that holds some level of ambiguity in my personal opinion is whether these Canvas profiles would fall under public or personal usage. That said, I guess if posting something on a social media account would fall under these rules, then I see no reason why this wouldn't as well.
I kinda just want to remove marriage tax breaks for DINKs. Even if straight. Don't see the point of tax break marriage status for two men who work with no kids
Daily fucking reminder that when it was voted on in California, California of all places, it didn't pass.
...until a progressive Judge went 'nuh uh' and pushed it through regardless.
'Ruling from the bench' has been fucking over Ameirca for a very long time by this point; I'm glad to see Trump showing some teeth and putting them on call for this bullshit.
I’d rather we classify pride rallies as terrorist organizations first.
I personally don’t care that they can marry each other. Whatever, doesn’t hurt me, but that’s where everything should’ve ended really. But that slope is indeed quite slippery…
The fact that so many of them just become indistinguishable from the Left in everything but self-label shows that trying is the last thing any of them cared about.
They were literally pulling the "not like other girls" on politics by being the exact same thing as the competition, but with a different hair color.
You're all falling for it, there is no executive order that says people can't put a pronoun in their bio, that would be in violation of First Amendment, government can't tell people what they're allowed to write in their own biographies
If a simple executive order has this many effect, imagine what would have happened if Do Nothing Republicans had gotten off their ass just once and passed a law.
I know no one here likes Vivek, but credit where credit is due: he is the one who pointed out that a lot of this crap is not based on law, but on executive order, and that it thus can be revoked by executive order.
Careful as that can be a monkey paw wish.
Last time they did that you got the patriot act, at best they should only pass what Trump or RFK Jr in terms of health says to pass.
Republicans are lame ducks when it comes to benefiting Americans. For Israel, they'll move heaven and earth
It could be an effective political tactic too, the inverse of the "political football." That's this fake game both parties play where they claim they just need a majority to get anything done. Then when the finally get a majority they still don't seem to have enough votes to do more than a small gesture to their base while the other party fiercely resists, until the ball is back on their side. In this way nothing is ever really accomplished but they get votes on the promise of doing better next time.
The rule by fiat tactic works the opposite way. You force through impermanent change and get votes from your base realizing if you are voted out the other side will undo everything. I doubt Trump is doing this intentionally but it's always fascinating to see how he gets things accomplished in an entirely different way than politicians.
Except you forgot the part where they pretend to do the things they promised and go "Oh I guess it wasn't enough, we need more money" and meanwhile all the money spent pretending to do those things was being send to their corrupt friends and themselves
Good analysis, except that both sides don't play political football, just the Republicans. Democrats are good at ramming their shit through, like Obama care. Republicans are the Washington Generals, a pretend opponent that always loses in the end. The only time they pass laws are when they are terrible like the Patriot Act.
That is why Trump is so popular, he actually is getting shit done.
Regarding the fiat tactic, the dems also do this all the time. Might as well play their game in our favor.
Yep. Historically speaking, when you give the government an inch, they take a mile.
I imagine most citizens loved the Sedition Act to fight those “foreign spies”…when instead all they did was allow the government to openly circumvent the first amendment.
Granted it only happened over. 2 year period. But 2 years is a lot of time to prosecute and tuck away whistleblowers and political opponents. Not to mention it paved the way for the Patriot Act as well
The executive power exists whether it's used or not. This should be a wakeup call to liberals to show how Obama's advances in power going unchallenged was a bad idea. Not that they'll get the message.
Really? Did Bush reverse a bunch of executive orders Clinton did and it led to the Patriot act? I didn't know that part
Are there any other kinds? We need is a completely new party, with a clear mission and values, and leadership willing to kick out RINOs.
That's not going to work. Republican primary voters are voting these morons in. And I'm actually quite satisfied with how they're acting at the moment. Even long-time warmongers like Marco Rubio and that Waltz fellow are behaving themselves.
It can also be blocked by the courts.
"You made your ruling. Let's see you enforce it."
Andrew Jackson, one of Donald Trump's heroes
He said that? What a man
It would be much more difficult, because they'd have to make up a constitutional provision that mandates DEI, as oppposed to saying that the EO is not based on the law. And I don't think the Supreme Court that just threw out affirmative action 6-3 would do that. Some potential applications might - this might fall under a student's free speech - but not the thing as a whole.
IMHO a student has an unfettered right to post xir asinine pronouns if the platform allows it. The proper remedy in this case is to remove the pronoun field codes from the platform. ASU is in the wrong here, not any student who fails to take action. This is what happens when you try to keep pace with the leftist insanity game, you eventually will be made to look like the idiot you are.
Just to clarify: this isn't ASU proper, but the Air Force. The Air Force contracts out its distance learning to ASU's Canvas platform. You can see the Air University logo at the top left. The students that received this message are all in the military, and that's who the Executive Order applies to.
An important clarification. A random university threatening to throw grades down/out for something in your bio or the like is still a gross overstep in power, even if it feels cathartic and right. Its far more sensible to expect military personnel to comply with orders and being forced to be better representative.
I was going to say that I really wouldn't be okay with this, but that it's solely applying to a military institution is significantly better.
I'm still not 100% on with this, as cathartic as it might be, solely on the basis of freedom of speech, however I also know that acting in a representative capacity does change the dynamics.
On the whole though, this is a win.
You don't have freedom of speech in the military. You are actually expressly forbidden from going to political events or making public political statements.
The woke shit has been doubly obnoxious not just because it's sick and wrong but also because of the double standard - letting leftist goons get away with things they should be punished for, and would be if they were expressing right wing values.
Which is why I acknowledge it changes the dynamic. The only aspect that holds some level of ambiguity in my personal opinion is whether these Canvas profiles would fall under public or personal usage. That said, I guess if posting something on a social media account would fall under these rules, then I see no reason why this wouldn't as well.
And like I said, this is definitely still a win.
IIRC plenty of universities were doing the same if people didn't do unnecessary DEI courses for their subject or similar.
Now you have double standards here! Here students who refused to gender their texts were downgraded…
Can we get rid off gay marriage next?
You could… you would simply have to remove the current marriage license system by EO altogether.
I kinda just want to remove marriage tax breaks for DINKs. Even if straight. Don't see the point of tax break marriage status for two men who work with no kids
Daily fucking reminder that when it was voted on in California, California of all places, it didn't pass.
...until a progressive Judge went 'nuh uh' and pushed it through regardless.
'Ruling from the bench' has been fucking over Ameirca for a very long time by this point; I'm glad to see Trump showing some teeth and putting them on call for this bullshit.
I’d rather we classify pride rallies as terrorist organizations first.
I personally don’t care that they can marry each other. Whatever, doesn’t hurt me, but that’s where everything should’ve ended really. But that slope is indeed quite slippery…
It's quite startling the amount that can happen when conservatives just try instead of rolling over every time.
The fact that so many of them just become indistinguishable from the Left in everything but self-label shows that trying is the last thing any of them cared about.
They were literally pulling the "not like other girls" on politics by being the exact same thing as the competition, but with a different hair color.
Trump is not a conservative, you can tell because he's not a spineless, bootlicking pussy
Conservatives were only ever controlled opposition. We're seeing the emergence of a real opposition party.
"Todays' Democrat is tomorrows Republican."
ASU has a "no whites allowed safe space."
There was a video a few years back of a bunch a orcs bitching at a white kid to get out.
This would make for a fantastic sketch video starring an Asian kid with the surname He.
"Stop being gay. Or you're out."
You're all falling for it, there is no executive order that says people can't put a pronoun in their bio, that would be in violation of First Amendment, government can't tell people what they're allowed to write in their own biographies