Even Razorfist thinks this h1-b stinks of psy ops.
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If it’s. “Psy-ops” it’s psyops brought from the tech bros themselves. This whole debacle showed even tesla is abusing H1B for entry level engineers at a 25% market cut. It also had Elon personally sperging and Vivek crying about friends.
True that the origin of this is probably not the left but rather the fundamental issues that exist, but the amount of focus granted to it and giving it resources to amplify it could be part of a so called psy op, never let a good crisis go to waste.
The amount of focus granted to it is entirely due the how it’s been used as a cudgel against white workers for 2 decades now.
Perhaps I am a bit out of date, but is trumps modus operandi to do exclusive interviews with the mainstream media over the phone without any sort of tweet or other grandstanding?
What are you on about? How do you think India became the second largest immigrant group within 25 years?
I agree with you that this issue is a core issue, in which Elon and other appointed people have the wrong opinion, but the focus on it is not only due to the grassroots (although this is a fertile ground) but also being pushed in order to try and inflame the issue a lot more, Trump stance when the nyp is not the sole carrier of truth has been imperfect but a lot milder than what is being pushed now.
But this is just typical blood-in-the-water reporting and not at all indicative of any greater, overarching plot to "destabilize MAGA."
Yes, I don't think this was some master plan to destabilize MAGA, just as you said they found blood-in-the-water and are pushing it hard.
Its not a psyop. It's pointing out that trump, musk, and vivek (surprise lol) are traitors. Its just pointing out what they said.
Mr Musk bizarrely outed himself as Maga but not AF. Seems like an unforced error.
Anyone that thinks this is a psyop is a fucking retard. This includes Razorfist.
People are very vocal against their position because they don't want two dipshits that have the ear of the President to Grima Wormtongue him with bad advice, particularly since Trump has a record of having taken bad advice before. Elon and Vivek ripped off their masks, fucked up, and doubled down. They're the ones that caused the division, not the people shitting on them. That the NYP and the left are trying to take advantage doesn't suddenly make this a psyop.
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Savage btw
Razorfarce showed himself to be a fucking retard back in 2016 when he ran apologia for "voting irregularities" in Maricopa County.
I'm Grifterfist. Godspeed!
The only major news station outside of NYP that is I've seen covering this issue is MSNBC, and that is absolutely part of the psy-op that people like you created. It's not the NYP that's doing it, it's you.
You would rather seek to destroy the dissident right and help the Left then let "Zion Don" actually succeed in improving the economy, improving the position of the US internationally, and actually helping the white working class; because you'd rather they be destroyed than not beg for White Nationalism. That's all this is about: anti-Trump race communists looking for a way to damage Trump since their first attempt with Fuentes, Milo, and Kanye, failed.
Shut the fuck up. NYP isn't responsible for what Elon and Vivek said.
I didn't say Vivek was the psyop. I said you were.
Shut the fuck up. I'm not responsible for what Elon and Vivek said.
You're responsible for the campaign you are a part of.
Shut the fuck up. I'm not responsible for what Elon and Vivek said.
People within your camp revealed themselves to be backstabbing traitors, but you’re still the bad guy for calling it out!
You are the worst person here.
Giz is a shabbos civnat. He basically believes the same thing that replacing white people is no problem.
Don't worry, they'll integrate after three generations!
Magic dirt!
Your literal job is to be a backstabbing traitor by pretending to be aligned with the right.
This doesn't make sense. If Elon and Vivek shitting the bed and showing their true pajeet-loving faces was a "psyop," that means they are themselves part of the psyop, which means it would be correct to distrust them whether they are intentional actors or not. If the psyop is somehow aimed at Trump, then it has failed because no one is criticizing Trump.
If there is a psyop going on, its blowing up a dumb twitter spat into a politics defining major blowup that is "the end of MAGA."
I wouldn't doubt some powers in the back (like the Left, remember those guys are still around?) are happy to magnify this and keep the pot stirring to make it more and more volatile for some purpose.
It’s this. Elon, and Vivek are fully guilty of being retards, riling everyone up with this stupid ass talk. Trump is now guilty of not immediately making a very public statement of how he (should) have US workers’ backs, and is not for what they are saying.
The “psy op” portion of it is how literally the entirety of the left (the media, the tech company based social sites, the politicians, and all the terminally online retards on Reddit - mods and users) have hardcore seized upon this, and are clearly using, and amplifying this as much as humanly possible, trying to use it as a wedge to weaken / tear down the alliances made on the right.
Seriously, it’s incredible how hard the left are running with this. It’s very obvious that they hope to use it as a weapon.
“Leftists pounce” is what you faggots are going with? Really?
This is a fundamental schism within this nascent right wing coalition, no different than gays vs. Muslims on the left. That’s one of the downsides of assembling a “big tent”: you risk watering down your purpose to create a temporarily successful consensus. But those cracks will inevitably boil over, and the bigger the divergence, the bigger the pop.
In this case, a major influential wing of MAGA somehow still supports replacement immigration, and the vast majority of Trump voters are putting those “allies” on notice. It’s not a minor disagreement. These are first order principles. This fight needs to happen so that people can determine whether Trump will do what he said - put Americans first - or if it’s time to move on.
Trump’s followers didn’t hesitate to call him out on the vaxx, and they will do the same on immigration. Of course leftists are going to pounce on this rift - they weren’t killed or deported when they lost the election. Of course the civnats who support legal replacement immigration are going to say this fight shouldn’t happen - because they don’t want to be recognized for the traitors that they are.
The real problem in all of this is that white conservatives are still being forced to use proxy issues to represent their true interests. If you oppose replacement immigration, because you want your culture and people and nation to continue to exist, then you need to advocate for those things explicitly. If you use a stand-in issue like “illegal immigration”, then you are at the mercy of any “leader” who supports legal immigration. If you’re not specific about your goals, you can be easily undermined and led astray. White peoples need to become very specific in their desire to maintain their cultures and nations so that bad actors cannot twist that energy into self-destruction.
And no, insisting on basic coherence in a movement is not self-destruction. If “MAGA” is just MIGA, then there’s no point in continuing the farce.
Well that's because most people cannot palate or stomach being a racist, a sexist, or anything of the sort, but those are fundamental to actually addressing the issues we have and sort out our issues.
Attempting to force normies to do so is how elections will be lost, support will be decimated, and the Right will continue to lose further ground. We are far too gone down the hole to just rip a bandaid off and be properly represented by somebody good for us, it has to be done in steps to succeed because voting still exists and we cannot escape that. Harris ran one of the worst campaigns in history and still managed to (legitimately) get like 40% of the country on her side.
And its important to note that at no point was this issue ever on the actual table yet. This is Elon, Vivek, and the original appointment who aren't in charge of immigration in the slightest having a terrible opinion on it, no different than RFKs horrible fucking opinions on topics on topics he isn't appointed too (yet nobody said MAGA was over for his nonsense).
While the guy actually in charge of immigration has been pretty staunch on cracking down on fucking all of it legal or not. So unless Trump just pulled his name out of a hat, that's the only important take he has on it. A generic "I use it sometimes, it worked out great" statement done over the phone to a random news outlet (completely out of character for him to begin with) just means he isn't for zero immigration, and nobody should expect that level of extreme position from a mainstream politician yet. Vance himself has already responded in complete opposition to the "sports team" comments, as well. Hold his ear to the issue, but so far his actual actions have in fact been towards reducing them to begin with despite everyone acting like he is in favor of flooding Indians in.
But somehow that last point is completely lost in this. All the normal grifter heads are present and treating it like he is already in office and the draft of legislation is being passed, and when people started to point out he hasn't even commented on it this singular interview coincidentally just shows up without a Tweet or anything Trump normally does when responding to everything else.
So yes, it does seem like a proper schism that we should be discussing is being blown up to something bigger than it is by actors who have bad intentions. Likely because Trump was gaining steam and the Right was starting to win harder, and what better way for the Left to gain the upperhand than to get people saying this:
Which benefits them more than it does any of us, including those who are furious over this.
Because that's all that will happen here. We either work with a guy who has shown willingness to make progress on the issue, or we throw our toys out like children and end it all to give the Left back its ground and end up with the Indian flood anyway.
It's a mixed bag. As someone else said, the focus and pushing attention is a psyop. The problems are real, but how it's being spun is indeed suspicious. This is Orange Man Bad, TDS shit coming from the right. Again, that's not even to say the problems are not genuine, but this is being used by nefarious actors.
It's also worth noting that, although I hate Elon's take, I don't think he ever mentioned Indians, and people are inferring that. Same for Vivek, actually, I think, although that one is a bit more reasonable since he's said he wants more Indians in the past.
So, as is often the case, I'm a bit of a fence straddler here. This shit fucking stinks, and I really don't like the stance a bunch of these people (Elon, Vivek, Trump, etc.) have taken, but it is also true it's being used to drive a wedge, and some things are even taken out of context.
Now, to be completely clear: America First, America for Americans. I don't want anyone coming over here to do jobs Americans are capable of.
You don't really have to mention Indians when they make up ~75% of the H1Bs. Chinese come in second at only ~12%. So when you're talking about H1Bs, Indians are implied by virtue of numbers.
Fair enough.
Point is, "Pajeet invasion" is en vogue, and people were jumping to it. But, yes, H-1Bs are largely Indian, so there's no getting away from that.
Slightly off topic, but what sort of invasion of the West isn't en vogue? Can't we just be left alone, and put our own people first?
The only way to be left alone is to remove the ability of the other to interact with you. The last hundred years has made that perfectly clear.
You guys could try launching every nuke you got at all these supposed "allies". They'll leave you alone then.
... well, because they're dead, thats why. Heehee, I said a funny.
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There is no reality in which the enemies of Trump do not seize upon every opportunity to amplify conflict within his political base. The media were already inventing these stories for the last ten years. Now that the conflict is very real, why would leftists be silent?
But this does not mean that the conflict doesn’t exist or shouldn’t be allowed to exist. The media benefits from it and finally have something true to report, but that’s not half as bad as the discovery that major conservative leaders are, once again, stabbing their constituents in the back. Are we supposed to stay quiet in order to own the lefties? Sure, let’s own them by accepting a different flavor of great replacement.
Better idea: look at what happened to the left when they allowed the globalists to overrun and derail everything. Is that what we want for the right?
Answer this question: why does the American middle class need to disappear so that Elon Musk can get to Mars ten years sooner?
Past a certain point, everything is potentially a psyop and calling everything a psyop is itself the psyop. I don't remember much of this 'Hold the line! Don't split the base! It's a psyop!' shit when the UK Conservative party imploded completely under their own impetus. It resulted in an unopposed Labour party, on the surface, but I haven't seen anyone make the serious argument that the UK right wing should have stuck by the Conservatives anyway.
Fine, we haven't seen what approach Trump's admin will actually take yet - but that's no reason not to make as much noise about it as possible. This is a core, live issue. Americans should WANT as many Republican representatives as possible quaking in their boots over the idea that they're being perceived as too neoliberal, and you should want them feeling that way fast, along with Trump too.
No, and not what I was saying.
People just need to be careful, both in what they're saying, and who they're listening to. There are plenty of bad actors who are acting like they're on Our Side, but their intent is to disrupt.
Maybe start reading the comments both here, on Twitter, and on the Donald if you think no one is blaming Trump.
This is an obvious psy-op because the king of the internet autists is acting like an autist on line, and therefore MAGA is dead, and don't you just regret voting for Zion Don?
Edit - My bad. The comments in your own fucking thread.
Nobody cuts cope quite like libertarians. There's no fucking psyop. They're getting treated the same way leftists are for the same reasons. Having your wages driven into the dirt and your culture and people replaced is the same problem no matter which banner you do it under.
Raz0r explicitly condemns libertarianism. He is a Barry Goldwater conservative.
So yeah, here's another excuse for the psy-op: "No true conservative would be opposed to this effort to break apart the Trump coalition and undermine a popularly elected right-wing president before he takes office!"
So your suggestion is that this fight take place after January 21st? Because not having the fight isn’t an option. People are tired of being replaced by cheaper immigrants who destroy our cultures and nations. By this metric, Elon and Vivek and their supporters have declared themselves Americans Second. That’s not going to stand.
My suggestion is to not explicitly subvert the right-wing populist movement in order to destroy it. Your current objective is to destroy the only administration that even attempted reducing immigrant flow into the US and preserving the culture of the US, before it even gets the chance to make any further progress.
This is because you'd rather push "accelerationism" where you consciously fail and give ground to our enemies because you think if we die faster somehow you'll come out on top. You're literally the crab at the bottom of the bucket.
Psyops or not, there are real substantive and significant issues at play here. If Trump and his admin are not willing to address the broader DEI / ESG issue and then exacerbates it with H1B visas then MAGA is over before it even started.
This is why neither liberals nor conservatives have any solution for us because they both worship feminism as their state religion. MAGA can never happen if the primary foundation builders of America (men) are discriminated against in their own country.
Canada, UK, Australia and NZ is where unrestrained legal migration will end up. No one from the pro H1B side have come up with reasons why this is a good thing.
Okay, so here's a new lie with this obvious psy-op. "Trump refuses to stop DEI". Elon says something stupid on H1B visas, and now Trump isn't against DEI and MAGA is dead. Thank you for declaring the populist right dead. Glad we don't have to engage in politics anymore. You're definitely not pushing for demoralization in support of enemy action.
So if this is all a "psy-op to divide the right" then what do you expect us to do when Elon Musk himself has said that he's in full support of H1B visas? You have to ask yourself what is more important, having decent paying jobs for America born citizens or keeping a side of the political line intact. One option betters the United States the other option hinders what you believe.
Not screech on twitter like a faggot, and be civil in educating the "Left left me" class what the problem is.
We're ~1 week from inauguration and several influential figures in the Trump campaign/ cabinet are openly saying they're walking back the single most important political issue on the populist Right. I think this is worth dividing the Right over.
Oh, really? They're walking back their policies on H1B? Funny, I don't remember that even being an issue for most people prior to 2 days ago.
Oh, no, it's because the groypers are literally pushing the narrative that Donald Trump wants to demographically replace white people despite there being no evidence for it, because they hate Donald Trump and want the administration to fail. It's why they supported Harris.
This event has outed more "allies" than I could have imagined. There are not two sides of this argument. All visa applications should be denied until we figure out what the hell is going on.
I remember him talking about it, it’s no psyop
The most obvious psyop. Trump is not in office and not one bill, not one executive order, not one fucking napkin has a plan for H-1B. What is actually the proposition we're all supposed to get mad about?
This is not an organic "get loud to get noticed". This is textbook consensus cracking, with an unusually high number of useful idiots on our side falling for it.
I'd much rather be reading actual proposals to fix it. Reductions in numbers: drastic. Companies that hire foreign over domestic: penalties & lawsuit liability. Foreign worker paychecks: take more taxes. Anything instead of the current shaking shiny keys. We're not supposed to be the reactionaries.
Just a reminder. If they are calling for it, they are not on our side.
I’ll never be on your side. I know what you are.
You're too stupid to listen to what I am when I tell you.
No, everybody is listening to you and they understand how much of a subversive dipshit you are.
You still don't know anything about me.
Your behavior tells me all I need to know about you, you undermining faggot.
shush adults are talking
I called it because it's obvious. The Alt-Right and the Neo-Liberal Shills pushing the same line: "Trump supporters are regretting their votes", which was a line they've been pushing on the MSM for days, particularly after weeks of "Elon is the real president".
Stop forgetting that the Democrats aren't even out of office yet, and that demoralization is the purpose of propaganda.
Trump said this same stuff months ago, and is OFC backing up Elon, just because the DNC is bad doesn’t make the RNC our frens either.
Everyone loves to live by "the enemy of my enemy is my friend", all while ignoring that people like Trump are just the Democrats of yesterday. It's no secret that a key voting block of Trump has been ex-Democrats. Why? Because he still pushed Democrat policies! He just doesn't push the hardline stuff.
Anyone who at any point thought Trump was a saviour of right-wing ideals is a moron and will probably always be a moron.
That's exactly why it's a psy-op.
If this is a "betrayal" by men who "pretended to be white nationalists" then why the fuck is anyone so stupid as to believe Trump intended to end the H1B system?
Trump's position didn't change, and frankly, I've seen nothing to suggest Elon's and Vivek's didn't either. That's why this is a fucking psyop. It's manufactured outrage seeking to undermine the administration before it gets into office by manufacturing division within the administration before it's there.
The “pretended to be WNs” point is an exaggeration, but I’d wager most people hadn’t seen it or forgot if they had.
This is his typical pilpul.
"You expected them to greatly reduce immigration? You must have thought they were White nationalists!"
It's damage control by a retard.
Do they think we opposed illegal immigration only because it was illegal? Because then Biden can just solve the problem overnight by declaring all immigration legal. Then the civnats and libertarians are all good, yeah?
No, faggot, It's literally a post that was on TheDonald.
I don't care, faggot. That post is irrelevant to the fact that two advisors to the President are White-hating retards.
It's not an exaggeration, it's a full blown lie. Tulsi Gabbard isn't a Paleo-Conservative, nor was she ever pretending to be one. That is why this is fully manufactured outrage.
My favorite response I gave to a real life TDS relative today was: yeah it's a real damn shame, MAGA civil war, damn, it sucks, MAGA is over, Trump is done, President Elon is our daddy now, just too bad this didn't happen and ya'll didn't have this talking point before Nov 5th huh? It's a damn shame.
It's frustrating dealing with the guys who just can't stop looking for any excuse to start moaning and whining about how it's all over and we've been betrayed and just generally start acting like really hysterical women or the smug antifa guys they were six months ago.
Nah, i prefer those guys to the ones making excuses. You gotta hold Trumps feet to the fire if you want him to do his job this time. Nobody should be holding back.
You're right. Trump should fire RFK for his stance on gun control while we're at it. Not to mention: he's been endorsed by several unions. Better go tell them to kill themselves and cut funding.
Meanwhile: "Enemies to the right, no enemies to the Left" is the standing mantra of our opponents.
Intelligent criticism is not twitter drama.
Fuck off.
That's because it's intentional.
Yeah, I very intentionally want Trump to stop replacing Americans. Let’s line up my side against yours and take a head count.
Actually, you'd prefer if he doubled down because 'accelerationism' something something and then America celebrates it's true founding father: Adolf Hitler
"Everyone that disagrees with me is Hitler."