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Even Razorfist thinks this h1-b stinks of psy ops. (twitter.com)
posted 5 months ago by LeRiverDanube 5 months ago by LeRiverDanube +79 / -6
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– Adamrises 14 points 5 months ago +18 / -4

If there is a psyop going on, its blowing up a dumb twitter spat into a politics defining major blowup that is "the end of MAGA."

I wouldn't doubt some powers in the back (like the Left, remember those guys are still around?) are happy to magnify this and keep the pot stirring to make it more and more volatile for some purpose.

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– jvardrake 15 points 5 months ago +19 / -4

It’s this. Elon, and Vivek are fully guilty of being retards, riling everyone up with this stupid ass talk. Trump is now guilty of not immediately making a very public statement of how he (should) have US workers’ backs, and is not for what they are saying.

The “psy op” portion of it is how literally the entirety of the left (the media, the tech company based social sites, the politicians, and all the terminally online retards on Reddit - mods and users) have hardcore seized upon this, and are clearly using, and amplifying this as much as humanly possible, trying to use it as a wedge to weaken / tear down the alliances made on the right.

Seriously, it’s incredible how hard the left are running with this. It’s very obvious that they hope to use it as a weapon.

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– current_horror 9 points 5 months ago +12 / -3

“Leftists pounce” is what you faggots are going with? Really?

This is a fundamental schism within this nascent right wing coalition, no different than gays vs. Muslims on the left. That’s one of the downsides of assembling a “big tent”: you risk watering down your purpose to create a temporarily successful consensus. But those cracks will inevitably boil over, and the bigger the divergence, the bigger the pop.

In this case, a major influential wing of MAGA somehow still supports replacement immigration, and the vast majority of Trump voters are putting those “allies” on notice. It’s not a minor disagreement. These are first order principles. This fight needs to happen so that people can determine whether Trump will do what he said - put Americans first - or if it’s time to move on.

Trump’s followers didn’t hesitate to call him out on the vaxx, and they will do the same on immigration. Of course leftists are going to pounce on this rift - they weren’t killed or deported when they lost the election. Of course the civnats who support legal replacement immigration are going to say this fight shouldn’t happen - because they don’t want to be recognized for the traitors that they are.

The real problem in all of this is that white conservatives are still being forced to use proxy issues to represent their true interests. If you oppose replacement immigration, because you want your culture and people and nation to continue to exist, then you need to advocate for those things explicitly. If you use a stand-in issue like “illegal immigration”, then you are at the mercy of any “leader” who supports legal immigration. If you’re not specific about your goals, you can be easily undermined and led astray. White peoples need to become very specific in their desire to maintain their cultures and nations so that bad actors cannot twist that energy into self-destruction.

And no, insisting on basic coherence in a movement is not self-destruction. If “MAGA” is just MIGA, then there’s no point in continuing the farce.

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– Adamrises 4 points 5 months ago +6 / -2

The real problem in all of this is that white conservatives are still being forced to use proxy issues to represent their true interests

Well that's because most people cannot palate or stomach being a racist, a sexist, or anything of the sort, but those are fundamental to actually addressing the issues we have and sort out our issues.

Attempting to force normies to do so is how elections will be lost, support will be decimated, and the Right will continue to lose further ground. We are far too gone down the hole to just rip a bandaid off and be properly represented by somebody good for us, it has to be done in steps to succeed because voting still exists and we cannot escape that. Harris ran one of the worst campaigns in history and still managed to (legitimately) get like 40% of the country on her side.

And its important to note that at no point was this issue ever on the actual table yet. This is Elon, Vivek, and the original appointment who aren't in charge of immigration in the slightest having a terrible opinion on it, no different than RFKs horrible fucking opinions on topics on topics he isn't appointed too (yet nobody said MAGA was over for his nonsense).

While the guy actually in charge of immigration has been pretty staunch on cracking down on fucking all of it legal or not. So unless Trump just pulled his name out of a hat, that's the only important take he has on it. A generic "I use it sometimes, it worked out great" statement done over the phone to a random news outlet (completely out of character for him to begin with) just means he isn't for zero immigration, and nobody should expect that level of extreme position from a mainstream politician yet. Vance himself has already responded in complete opposition to the "sports team" comments, as well. Hold his ear to the issue, but so far his actual actions have in fact been towards reducing them to begin with despite everyone acting like he is in favor of flooding Indians in.

But somehow that last point is completely lost in this. All the normal grifter heads are present and treating it like he is already in office and the draft of legislation is being passed, and when people started to point out he hasn't even commented on it this singular interview coincidentally just shows up without a Tweet or anything Trump normally does when responding to everything else.

So yes, it does seem like a proper schism that we should be discussing is being blown up to something bigger than it is by actors who have bad intentions. Likely because Trump was gaining steam and the Right was starting to win harder, and what better way for the Left to gain the upperhand than to get people saying this:

then there’s no point in continuing the farce.

Which benefits them more than it does any of us, including those who are furious over this.

Because that's all that will happen here. We either work with a guy who has shown willingness to make progress on the issue, or we throw our toys out like children and end it all to give the Left back its ground and end up with the Indian flood anyway.

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