Funny how they didn't make Harley "diverse"...
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What’s hilarious is they forgot the cardinal rule of messages: Everyone can determine it differently. They might have tried to say “White incels are bad” but what the audience got was “Todd Philips is a lucky hack and Phoenix is a cuck.”
Lmao
I never saw the Joker.
Was it really that subtle?
I thought the joker was always supposed to be a sympathetic villain.
The 2nd, 3rd, and 4th lines are just Leftists attempting to murder the legacy of success in order to push the message and hate the audience.
The first line is more of the Leftist pathological cynicism and nihilism, where they project their personal failures onto the world, and declare that the world is just an evil, wicked, and dark place that destroys smart, humble, intelligent people like Communists who want to bring about love and harmony.
I heard the ending, how he's apparently raped then stabbed in the asylum.
This is the same with EVERY MALE character they write to be the villian but the audience latches onto. They need to 'kill' that character to essentially go 'you can't like him, you should hate him or we'll systematically destroy him!'
Fortunately they've done it enough times that the genera audience is wise to it and won't put up and watch it going by box office returns.
First movie: Shoestring budget, massive profits.
Follow-up: Blockbuster budget, massive losses.
Same IP, same actor... And same old story of Hollywood hating its audience.
You are missing the most critical piece in between these two.
He is raped so hard he disavows the entire Joker itself. He stands up in court, undermines his own defense to say its all made up and he is in reality Arthur, a pathetic, mentally ill loser who deserves prison. Betrays all his followers so hard that his girl leaves him and then one of then stabs him for that.
Its more than just bad events happening to him. Its them demonstrating that they will brutalize you in every way possible if you dare act up like that, and that you will still die alone and pathetic for it.
Ah yeah, Arch alluded to that on his review, I just didn't realise it was THAT bad.
Feels like the only safe male characters are the ones backed by an actor with an ego or following strong enough that when they write in their 'make man pathetic' plotline they can just go 'nah'.
The only 'safe' male 'characters' are real men in the real world.
The only safe male characters are the ones with IP owners who won't allow new content.
One of the big theories behind this movie is that the reason it even began to be made in the first place was Phoenix's ego and feeling he hadn't "done everything" with the role (also likely a factor in the singing being added), as Phillips pretty hardly said it was standalone for a long time after it came out.
Which really lends credit to the idea that this entire project wasn't Phillips himself trying to dab on fans, but a lot of higher powers themselves forcing it. Not to absolve him entirely of course.
This is a healthy response to being attacked.
Joker gets 1984ed: The Movie
It's a constantly recurring trope in Leftist writing.
The deontologically evil character is humiliated, tortured, and murdered.
This is because when someone is deontologically evil, the worse the thing that is done to them, the more good it is. It's not "justice" in their minds to have procedural fairness where the bad guy has to go to jail, or even be executed for specific things he did. In fact, it is evil to stop torturing the bad guy because you are refusing to do more bad things to him, which is inherently more good. He is being tortured, not because of what he did, but because of who he is, and the torture is a cleansing of the soul for everyone else. You are supposed to torture the deontologically evil character past the point of mind break and death because it makes you a good person... even if they are innocent of any actual crime.
Anyone refusing to help torture, humiliate, and kill the deontologically evil character is therefore an accomplice to the D.E. character, and must be treated just as severely.
It’s Judaism. They believe they are god’s chosen people and thus they can do unspeakable acts of evil against everyone else.
This reply to that comment by that person couldn’t be any funnier.
It does speak to your blindness as a collective, though.
No faggot, that's wrong.
What a gross hook-nosed witch.
And they did it so successfully that literally no one is defending it. Many of the rags and Woke reviewers so far are also shitting on it because it is just that fucking bad of a movie all around. Not bad because "the message" alone but actively bad on all accounts.
Which means that they are failing to get the audience necessary to pick up this bludgeon they've made and beat it into us. Its hard to feel humiliated by something when its currently bringing people together to mock it.
Though it is getting the rats to scurry out to be like "the first wasn't that good either" now that they think they won't get grilled for it. Including the absolute woman moment line I saw of "Arthur was creepy, that's why bad things happen to him and I couldn't feel bad for it."
i can't recall where i read it, might even have been on this board. where someone explained that the joker was a chick-flick just with a guy inserted in the role of the woman.
Considering it involves a guy saving himself from his troubles and not a mystical prince coming to save him/her, I think its far from a chickflick.
It certainly has the misery porn aspect of most chick movies, but the way it goes about it could only happen to a man because if it was a woman people would have lost thier minds about how evil everyone is.
Instead you get people arguing that Arthur was "evil" and "creepy" for standing up for himself.
That’s not a trans woman?
Lady Gaga is evil, but I don't think she's that.
If it turns out I'm wrong and she is, so be it.
She’s a hermafrodite. Now the question is what’s up with Bradley Cooper? Why so much investment in this freak?
Why not him?
I'm interested in Hollywood but not in movies. So sometimes I lack information here.
Bradley Cooper invested in the freak hermafrodite. Are we on the same page? Why him?! He’s better than this! He could do better. Ask Leo.
Joke's on them. I haven't seen either and have no plans to.
Most of it has been spoiled anyway. Apparently, there is a Sixth Sense angle to it.
Didn't watch the first; didn't plan to watch the second.
Hollywood, ”BLOCKBUSTER MOVIE!!!”
Me, “Meh.”
My god she looks like Yubaba from Spirited Away.
The ressemblance is indeed uncanny.
wat?
I didn't even like the first movie.