Funny how they didn't make Harley "diverse"...
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You are missing the most critical piece in between these two.
He is raped so hard he disavows the entire Joker itself. He stands up in court, undermines his own defense to say its all made up and he is in reality Arthur, a pathetic, mentally ill loser who deserves prison. Betrays all his followers so hard that his girl leaves him and then one of then stabs him for that.
Its more than just bad events happening to him. Its them demonstrating that they will brutalize you in every way possible if you dare act up like that, and that you will still die alone and pathetic for it.
Ah yeah, Arch alluded to that on his review, I just didn't realise it was THAT bad.
Feels like the only safe male characters are the ones backed by an actor with an ego or following strong enough that when they write in their 'make man pathetic' plotline they can just go 'nah'.
The only 'safe' male 'characters' are real men in the real world.
The only safe male characters are the ones with IP owners who won't allow new content.
One of the big theories behind this movie is that the reason it even began to be made in the first place was Phoenix's ego and feeling he hadn't "done everything" with the role (also likely a factor in the singing being added), as Phillips pretty hardly said it was standalone for a long time after it came out.
Which really lends credit to the idea that this entire project wasn't Phillips himself trying to dab on fans, but a lot of higher powers themselves forcing it. Not to absolve him entirely of course.
This is a healthy response to being attacked.
Joker gets 1984ed: The Movie