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"they specifically wanted to work with us as a woman-owned, queer- and POC-driven engineering firm" (www.entropicengineering.com)
posted 1 year ago by akira2501 1 year ago by akira2501 +61 / -0
DEFCON 32 Statement — Entropic Engineering
www.entropicengineering.com
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– LibertyPrimeWasRight 29 points 1 year ago +29 / -0

Entropic Engineering

Name's a little on the nose, don't you think?

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– daberoniandcheese 29 points 1 year ago +29 / -0

Maybe they don't actually know what entropy means. It just sounded like a science-y word.

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– Gizortnik 14 points 1 year ago +14 / -0

"Necrotic Numerology! That sounds sciency as fuck and I fucking love science!"

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– deleted 11 points 1 year ago +11 / -0
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– zakat 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Sounds like a necromancer talent which increases the amount of undead raised

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– CarmenOfSandiego 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

The worst kind of ponzi scheme. Unless...

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– ModsAreAIDS 12 points 1 year ago +12 / -0

Like when people say "quantum leap" to refer to something as a huge improvement. Irks me every time.

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– ernsithe 6 points 1 year ago +6 / -0

After all, sometimes quantum leaps turn out different.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kav7tifmyTg

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– specklemouse 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

Entropy requires no maintenance.

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– RoulerBleu 28 points 1 year ago +28 / -0

The specifics of what they requested in January were extremely difficult / almost impossible

Let me guess ; a bunch of White nerds hired on merit would have done the prototype in 3 weeks.

Clearly something is missing from this story. Something that would explain why the Didn't Earn It were dumped.

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– alucard13mmfmj 23 points 1 year ago +23 / -0

Probably why games take like 10 years to make now.. 3x the staff and 3x the time lol.

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– Adamrises 18 points 1 year ago +18 / -0

Games used to be a mostly passion project by a bunch of nerdy white guys with a dream.

Now its an office job, where 95% of every shift is spent looking at Imgur memes and slacking off while racking up on seminars.

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– zakat 5 points 1 year ago +5 / -0

you're missing meeeeeetings.
hated by anyone who contributes any code

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– RoulerBleu 15 points 1 year ago +15 / -0

There are many small independent studios making good games in a reasonable amount of time, at a relatively low price ( $5 - $40 ).

It's the big studios infested with D.E.I. that are collapsing under their own dead weight.

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– Hellsbells00 7 points 1 year ago +7 / -0

Far more effort spent on graphics, monetization, and marketing than on making quality gameplay in the major leagues.

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– HallucinatoryBeing 7 points 1 year ago +7 / -0

It's a recurring pattern that the only thing working flawlessly at launch in AAA slop is the in-game store.

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– Hellsbells00 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Helldivers 2 took what, 8 years? And it was a broken dogshit mess on release, entirely because they had to make the game online only to protect freemium mtx currency in a paid game.

It's all cancer in the big leagues.

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– LibertyPrimeWasRight 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

I don’t remember it being a broken mess on release. I remember that it had kernel anticheat that kept some people (including me) away, but I thought the game itself functioned fine and was actually quite populace. As far as I know, the big issues happened with mismanagement after release—the PSN account thing, disappointing balance patches, etc.

Maybe I’m misremembering because I never played, though.

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– Hellsbells00 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Massive overload for the authentication servers so most people couldn't even play for weeks. And the actual game is peer to peer, the online requirement is just for drm. Colossal fuckup.

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– LauriThorne 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

It was a Raspberry Pi running a GameBoy emulator and a NFC for being a badge.

Why this simple request was a problem remains a mystery....

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– when_we_win_remember 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

You could prototype in a few weeks, but getting thousands of them is still a big job. DEFCON should have trusted someone who, like, knows how to do that.

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– RoulerBleu 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

The DEI team had outsourced the manufacturing to Vietnam anyway.

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– Devidose 15 points 1 year ago +15 / -0

Inb4 another bridge collapse, this time with added irony since attempts are made to pivot from DEI to BRIDGE.

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– ernsithe 14 points 1 year ago +14 / -0

Here's DEF CON's statement (according to plebbit):

DEF CON thrives on community collaboration and has operated for over 30 years successfully working with hundreds of vendors including the dozens that have helped with our badges over the years. For this year’s Raspberry Pi badges, DEF CON hired Entropic Engineering to do the hardware development and firmware. After going overbudget by more than 60%, several bad-faith charges, and with a product still in preproduction, DEF CON issued a stop work order. Any claims that DEF CON did not pay Entropic Engineering for its hardware or firmware development are false. Unfortunately, we heard that these issues with Entropic Engineering were not unique to DEF CON. We decided at that point to finish the badge on our own. We paid to send engineers to Vietnam to work onsite to finalize and test the badges in order to ensure they would be done on time for the conference. We never removed Entropic Engineering’s logo from our badge, it is still on the PCB. However, Entropic was not involved in the design and production of the case, and we removed their logo we had added as a courtesy.

We were happy to still include one of their contractors on the badge panel session. Unfortunately, shortly before the talk was set to take place DEF CON became aware that unauthorized code had been included in the firmware we had paid Entropic Engineering to produce, claiming credit for the whole badge and promoting their coin wallet to solicit money from DEF CON attendees above and beyond what we had negotiated. When asked about the unauthorized code, the engineer said it had been done as a “joke” two months ago and forgot to remove it, and we decided as an organization not to have him on stage while we kept the slides in the talk giving him credit for his work. We communicated the change in advance of the talk, and this individual decided to show up for the panel anyway. He refused to leave, demanding that our security team remove him. Wanting to ensure that the other people involved in creating the badge were able to deliver their presentation, we complied with his wishes and escorted him off the stage, where he was free to continue attending the conference.

Any issues of non-payment are between him and Entropic Engineering, DEF CON fulfilled its financial obligations.

So, exactly what you'd expect hiring a company that can't market itself on merit.

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– The_Shadow_of_Intent 8 points 1 year ago +8 / -0

Over budget and behind schedule, of course. Nobody discounts their labor by 25% out of the goodness of their hearts. Obviously a mea culpa from the DEI team.

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– RoulerBleu 8 points 1 year ago +8 / -0

Oh there is the missing piece for glaring hole from the Didn't Earn It grifters story.

Thank you.

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– zakat 6 points 1 year ago +6 / -0

When asked about the unauthorized code, the engineer said it had been done as a “joke” two months ago and forgot to remove it

Can't finish project on time. Has time for "jokes".

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– HallucinatoryBeing 13 points 1 year ago +13 / -0

Whole thing sounds like a grift to bait government contracts.

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– deleted 9 points 1 year ago +9 / -0
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– cccpneveragain 11 points 1 year ago +11 / -0

Read the whole article, still have no idea WTF they were supposed to have made. DEFCON badge?

I know whatever it is, it’s not going to work correctly. So, I hope it’s something to do with the FBI.

So, I looked it up. WTF it’s some conference? Looks like a conference for those kids in online gaming who tell you they’ve stole your IP address, tell you it’s 192.168.1.12, and they are totally going to DDOS you. After which you’re getting banned because their Dad works at Microsoft. They’ve grown up into LARPing as hackers who know just as little as they did back then.

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– What_password 6 points 1 year ago +6 / -0

Defcon is a cyber security* conference. The badges are a big part of it and often have little Easter eggs and games attached to them.

*There's a lot more beyond cyber security. Physical pen testing, voting machine hacking, get a chip embedded, etc. It was fun when I went but it's an odd place. An absurd amount of furries.

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– ernsithe 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Sort of. I believe there's still legit stuff there. DEF CON is like a game dev conference where John Carmack is giving a masters-level panel on graphics engine pipelining where the audience is a bunch of RPG-maker LARPers thinking, "he's just like me! I'm a dev too!"

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– cccpneveragain 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

Yeah, when I was digging more I saw the typical mask statement just a couple years ago. I immediately discard the intelligence of anyone who says "We know that masks reduce spread." I've never been to any such con, but they all outed themselves over the last five years with their all-in adherence to the mask and vax posse.

Maybe was cool in the past at least.

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