This is a response to this thread: https://scored.co/c/KotakuInAction2/p/17tebxJDjX/
Now that we've seen the result of the return of our mod (not going to name him in the hopes that he doesn't appear) I would like to make the case for simply ignoring him and hoping he goes away.
First, even with the "new tools", nothing has changed. Bad actors are already bypassing them and it's unlikely that these measure will do anything more than embolden our friendly neighborhood subversive.
Second, whenever we get any moderation, it's a carpet bombing operation rather than a surgical strike. Instead of focusing on the actual problem, our mod apparently decided to go through the report queue and start handing out bans to everyone else as well. Not only does this not help, but it'll encourage regulars to start using alts which further muddies the situation.
Finally, and if this gets me banned so be it, we need to talk about the elephant in the room: the Jewish question.
I'm just back from a two-day ban for daring to state that all Jews believe a certain thing in order to be considered Jewish (I don't need to rehash it unless someone wants details). Note this is not an identity attack, it's an attack on religious beliefs and I made that clear.
While I was out, I was lurking. There were front page posts deriding niggers, faggots, and mudslimes (using those terms), that are still up right now (not to mention Imp being reinstated). At least one of those is an identity group and another is a religion. I did nothing that isn't done here on a regular basis, by regulars, especially during this whole Yasuke thing. But I got banned because muh auntie semetism. The mod used the classic "they're a race when they're criticised, but a religion when justifying their own atrocities" schtick. I had the exact same conversation with fishyman when he got modded on gaming, but even he had the integrity to consider my points instead of silencing me; let that sink in.
I'm not saying the mod is jewish but, to paraphrase u/then's Law: Any forum that doesn't explicitly call out subverters, will be subverted.
Either our mod gives the jewish faith preferential treatment, or he's simply responding to the highest volume of reports which is the same as handing your authority over to the most moralizing, backbiting, subversive users on the board; need I say more?
Regardless, our mod cannot be trusted to appoint any other mod. I know he likes conspiracies, so here's one: maybe he refuses to appoint another mod because he knows that none of the oldfags here are actually (((subverters))) and so he's planning on grooming some new accounts that he can instate later on?
Probably not. He's probably just disinterested. But that just means he'll appoint whoever makes the most pleasant noises at him when he should be appointing his critics, who actually care about the board.
My proposal is: ignore him.
Don't yell at him, don't mention him, don't even report posts (just gives him cover to say "well, you didn't report this post"). Every user should check New (daily, if possible) and downvote the spam to oblivion. Downvote spam comments but only reply with "Ban - reason". Anything actually illegal should be reported to site admins. With any luck, we can get this place declared abandoned and someone else can slip in. If not, at least regulars stop getting arbitrarily banned with nothing to show for it.
The nuclear option is always to migrate, but we've got a good thing going here (despite him): a vibrant, free-speech, culture war forum, with diverse opinions. I'd like to keep it that way.
Then I will. Him accusing me of wanting to kill him and his family and laugh about it only makes sense if he is a jew.
Edit: and leaving wouldn't be the nuclear option. The nuclear option would be having multiple users report every post and comment so that his queue is useless and forces him to get off his ass and actually look at the threads.
He won't though, that's my point. There's no point in putting pressure on him because he doesn't want to fix things.
He doesn't want to fix things, which is why we have to force him to. He is currently overmoderating the good faith regulars and undermoderating the pedo pajeet. By flooding his queue with garbage, it would make it much more difficult for him to do the former.
I am tired of this worst of both worlds shit. I just want him to leave the rest of us the fuck alone, like he does for his pedo pets.
Go fuck yourself Dom. You are completely useless.
He's a weird kind of jew if he is jewish. He once aggressively defended the muslims who, according to their own rhetoric, want to exterminate jews because their pedophile warlord said so.
But yeah, if he's covering for the pedo spammers, then I have no issue with him facing the music. His family, on the other hand are most likely not involved and shouldn't face any repercussions.
It's pretty easy to understand: you go after the smarter one by pointing the dumber one at the smarter one. Arabs are not a threat to jews, blacks are not a threat to jews. They are both sub 90 IQ or worse on average. But sending the arabs and blacks into white nations is exactly what jews are doing. Because whites are a potential threat to them.
Because you're a Nazi?
Better than being an idiot. Like you are.
But let's just say for the sake of argument that I am a Nazi. Why would he assume a Nazi wants to kill him and his family? Think about it. You'll get there eventually.
He could be a gypsy, they're on everyone's extermination list, including the extreme leftist Europeans
And that would also explain the laziness and dishonesty.
True. He is also a faggot.
I dont really know whats happening here, I just wanted to post in another thread.
But I just had to say. When I was going down the "black cube" rabbithole, the makers of pegasus hacking software.
One of their big things was instigating people and places to make anti semitic remarks.
I dont understand how not liking a country that steals, spys, and subverts every where they can, can damage your reputation so much in a country like america.
Reallll fucking head scratcher.
Or how anti semitism can shut a site down, how come they are the only protected religion in the world that is like this? What do they know that we dont?
And you never considered you might be both, which is what proves the point.
He's a Russian colluder.
I never considered it because it isn't true. I would put my college transcripts up against yours any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
...there's something you should know.
This is the smarts equivalent of challenging people to a fight online. It's not impressive to make an offer you know no one will take, and that you will retract even if someone would.
That you don't know this is proving, once again, that you...
You would retract. I wouldn't. I don't need to prove that I am more intelligent than you anyway. I already know that I am.
It must really burn you up that I didn't support your kween Tulsi. You have been a little bitch ever since.
Every moron thinks that he's smarter than other people. That is part of what makes you a moron. Any man who must say...
I don't even remember you. Only when you bring that up do I realize oh right, there's that sad, pathetic guy who loves neocons.
Ya that one doesn't work anymore. Next!
So don't trust him. Trust the users to nominate a mod that they trust, then all Dom needs to do is give him powers.
But if his motives are as Weedle suggests, then why would he grant mod powers to such a user?
If he doesn't, and rejects the will of the community (the reason why KiA2 was created in the first place), then we will all know where we stand. We will be free to leave for KiA3.
That would be one of the boards DrJester has been squatting for ages, same deal with KiA4. None of these posts are bringing up anything new, it's just different bad actors whining they don't get to be the one in charge and banning people they think are brigading their comments when in fact it's just general opinion the comments being made are retarded.
c/kotakuinaction5 already exists
Top poster being UncleAdolf. Name checks out.
I nominate the Imp.
c/gaming and c/Kotakuinaction5 exist if need be
Also c/gamecide. Unfortunately, c/gaming didn't really recover from its own mod drama and is nowhere near as active as it used to be.
Why not just use ConPro? Why does every forum need to cry about minorities 24/7?
Crying about minorities is not important here. I don't even bring it up unless it's relevant to the topic (see the entire Yasuke mess; try talking about that without mentioning "minorities").
What is important is censorship. The fact that we can criticize any religion or creed on ConPro (and I've criticized Hilter there as well; no ban) means we have free speech. Here you can criticize almost all of them, which means we don't.
https://communities.win/c/KotakuInAction2/p/17t1olplNI/zionist-shills-be-like/c
https://communities.win/c/KotakuInAction2/p/17t1aiy93p/why-do-jews-have-a-special-word-/c
https://communities.win/c/KotakuInAction2/p/17siXMkOfJ/two-interesting-views-on-the-sit/c
https://communities.win/c/KotakuInAction2/p/17s5tjwZ1B/despite-making-up-25-of-the-us-p/c
https://communities.win/c/KotakuInAction2/p/17s5p3FwFM/the-idf-are-literally-gassing-th/c
Those are just my own posts going back two pages. Dom doesn’t seem to oppose factual discussions, more so fed posts and things which are debatably lies/extreme claims without justification
Also people definitely get banned from ConPro for sharing their opinions. Even if you think most of them are trolls, they aren’t all. Any time a TD poster wanders in or another tourist they run the risk of getting nuked for their “free speech”. Call that a good thing if you like, to preserve the “ethos of the board”, but then it would logically be a similarly good thing when dom does that here.
Imagine thinking that 80iq congolese playing with ai image generation are to blame for a French company saying that there were black samurais in Japan
https://communities.win/c/KotakuInAction2/p/17txMTCYyo/blacks-are-using-ai-to-convince-/c
Imagine thinking you need to post graphic footage of a white woman being beaten by an african in order to laugh at marvel being a dei shitshow:
https://communities.win/c/KotakuInAction2/p/17txMTCHvq/x/c
Posts like these degrade the forum. Everyone should be opposed to degrading the forum, regardless of your beliefs on the modern world’s social issues
Cheers man thanks for being reasonable (and thanks for getting me to expand my point enough that it made sense)
For real, it’s the equivalent of “mental junk food”, and it’s a fact that there are “junk food pushers” out there who have the goal of sliding/degrading forums into irrelevance. They’re trying to give us diabetes so we all end up with our legs amputated lol.
My issue mostly comes down to how problems are being framed here lately, usually I agree with a/the core nugget of the points, but they’re so often being framed in a way that neglects nuance and context, which frames something that could be a productive discussion as more of a blackpill take-it or leave-it situation
I will say I doubt most are doing it maliciously, but I simultaneously think there are a group of “seeders” who are acting maliciously. We saw it* happen to 4chan, 8chan, reddit, theDonald, ConPro and I’m sure a bunch of forums I never bothered with. These seeders, through astroturfing votes and responses, basically change the collective consciousness of the forum through subverting the old and replacing it with the new.
it* meaning “forum sliding with the goal of neutering discussion”, because while the overarching pattern is the same, different forums with different ethos’ require different means of subversion. On the Chans it was most often porn, here it more often takes the form of ragebait/“mental junk food”
What I would most like about this hypothetical is that it could open things up for more discussion of the good things in life. We all know what we hate these days, it’s rubbed in our faces constantly. I think we could do with more reminders of what we love, what’s beautiful still… I think the main point should be balance. Maybe this whole subject deserves a meta post in the future for the community to actually consciously direct ourselves?
No. If DoM can't be on enough to quash pajeet in an hour or less at any time in US daylight hours, and if he won't delegate power to someone else to do it for him...
As long as pajeet has posts up, I'm going to go elsewhere.
Irony, the post.
Agreed.
I wouldn't have as much of an issue (and I didn't go nuts in the last thread) because I get that he's unpaid and I remember the clusterfuck in c/gaming when Fishyman was modded. But then he also abuses rule 16 (among others). Or lets others abuse it through post reporting, using him as their blunt instrument.
If he were to get on top of the obvious spam problem, by modding more users or otherwise, and enforce rule 16 consistently, I would have less of an issue. We'd have to deal with the bigger issue of users being constantly banned for "talking about minorities" ala reddit, but it would be consistent, at least.
We currently have the worst of both worlds, and I'd prefer he just did nothing than what he's doing now.
Ban - useless
What more do you want him to do besides banning? What more CAN he do?
Flaming bag of shit outside his front door?
If he really is Indian, he’s not going to notice one more bag of flaming shit.
Nothing. I want him to do nothing. Clearly, the only solution will come from the actual userbase.
I wish you would just ignore these threads at this point. It's got to be irritating enough to have to mod this cesspool without having to constantly justify yourself to a bunch of conpro invaders who are not acting in good faith.
Meh, the issue of him being the sole mod on the site (ClockworkFool is an abandoned account) isn't going to solve itself
The stormfags aren't going to whine and bitch any less if more mods are appointed who then start enforcing the rules more aggressively. They just have a vendetta against DoM because he's the one preventing them from turning the entire forum into just another groyper circlejerk where they can indulge their Jew fetish without restriction.
I don't understand what anyone is expecting our mod to do about the pajeet pedo if the site admins don't even seem to be able to stop him making new alts and spamming boards.
Responses from u/C in meta:
...
And DoM says he has now adjusted the community filter to do just that, but the perv managed to get past it anyway.
I’m not a goyper and a I sure as hell don’t have a fetish fir you and you’re vile kin.
Just because you think anything talked about on conpro that is also discussed here is some "stormfag" conspiracy doesn't make it true. Free speech has a really crazy way of revealing weak arguments and lies and that's why you are begging for censorship.
You fools will lose because you can never fight the argument, you can only continue to rant about "conpro invaders".
Doubly so as alot of us just use both boards as they both interest us.
As someone who lurked reddit as the Zoe Post started gaining traction and discovered the chans because of the fallout, it never ceases to amuse me to hear from these faggots that I'm actually a brigader from the ruined husk of ConPro.
I've never once demanded censorship. I certainly don't see the point in debating stormfags because I don't see you as honest actors, but I never report anyone and I've never demanded that anyone (except the pajeet pedo) be banned from the forum. I'll just either ignore you or hurl insults at you.
Do you believe the practice of arguing in favor of your belief is bad action?
Prptip: if you answer yes then you are a bad actor by your own standard
Protip: if you answer no you undermine your core basis for calling people bad actors
Protio: if you answer "you are being a bad actor by asking this" you reveal to onlookers that you don't understand the phrase bad actor
I don't really expect an answer. I just think that you seem like a perfectly reason-capable person who is currently building up a wall in his mind. People on the other side are wrong and bad. When they win arguments, they are "bad actors" because when we lose arguments it feels bad, which makes us feel the other party did something wrong, which motivates us to find words or phrases to help attribute the bad wrongness to them outside the actual context of the argument which they have won.
Unless you believe you are right about everything, you have to accept there are people out there who are right about something, anything, that you might be wrong about. When those people clash with you, you'll be wrong. But those clashes are never pleasant. The context of an argument and of being wrong and getting your ass handed to you and feeling humiliated and frustrated- all very very negative. Therefore the correct thing is almost always sullied and associated with "enemy" feelings whereas one's pre-existing beliefs on the matter are associated with "ally" feelings. These enemy/ally associations are more powerful than the actual answer to the question "which argument is correct?" since the actual answer only serves to affect future enemy/ally associations. This dynamic is a keystone of divide and conquer.
DoM is better than the KiA1 shithead mods. We don't need a bunch of new shithead mods who then cause a bunch of problems like happened to create the original KiA2.
A mold covered hot dog is a better mod than any of the ones on KiA, so that isn't saying anything at all.
A moldy hotdog sounds great compared with the chuckle heads clamoring to be DoM's replacement.
A low bar. And yet the rest of what you say is entirely true. Finding a mod who isn't a raging faggot is basically impossible.
Ah yes, because it's not like forum regulars who have been here since the original r/KotakuInAction could possibly have legitimate grievances about a pedophile clogging up every thread and posting gore threads all day long.
That's what I'm saying. It's better to not have him engage at all, rather than do it in this half ass measure.
Probably a good idea since whenever it's used the response is, paraphrasing, "The OP is retarded enough to believe it despite whatever mountain of evidence there is so it's not an intentional falsehood, OP is just retarded."
But he won't, and never will.
I agree it would fix things, but the fact is he wants things to stay broken.
And yet we allow .jpg posts to run rampant with zero push for verification of anything whatsoever.
Because you're the only one pushing.
Because everyone else knows we can just look it up ourselves.
Proven redpill method.
"Trust but Verify" you say? We should ... write that down somewhere.
It is not our job to prove they're fake (even though they obviously are). You are the ones relying on them as evidence for your batshit stupidity, so it is incumbent on you to prove that they're real, which you can't because they're not.
Realizing that people who "have a problem with Jews" ain't the brightest people in the bunch isn't exactly a trick.
Plenty of people. None of that based on ethnicity. And I'm certainly not pathetic enough to have an obsession with a group of 15 million people.
There's plenty of commonalities. Just not ones that Nazis tend to like.
Gas them?
The objective is not to murder people en masse, which is something you seem to have difficulty with.
Not much of a presumption. As it stands, it is a factor. The fact that some people blame other factors, does not lessen race itself as a factor, as those other factors are heavily correlated with race.
SES, as well as 'racism', can easily be dismissed as a cause for violence or riots. Blacks were way poorer in the 1950s, and yet there were far fewer race riots and much less crime among blacks.
This mere fact also shows that at least some non-race factors exist. The blackness of blacks did not change since the 1950s, but as a group the criminality has vastly increased.
You're making all sorts of arguments against positions no one has advanced.
So we should promote Asians over whites?
You're the one insisting that your opponents prove a negative, and you're accusing me of a logical fallacy?
You are relying on the Protocols as evidence to support your so-called theories: therefore you need to prove they're real if you want me to accept them as evidence. Until you do, I will reject them. That's the basis of logical argument.
You just hate the Jews because their average IQ is fifty points higher than yours will ever be.
Yeah, the argument I'm making is based on the Bible. I don't even need the Talmud to understand that Judaism is both genocidal and supremacist.
Well, most people here decry that and think that Jews are bad regardless of their belief in the Old Testament, Talmud or anything else.
It's funny that you imagine that you think for yourself while falling for the most transparent frauds imaginable.
Yeah, except that people post it despite knowing full well that it is fake. Goebbels is a great example. The guy wasn't stupid, but he knew that a lot of Nazis were.
Well, even then it would be fake on multiple counts. It purports to be the work of Jews. It is not. So it is fake. And the original work didn't even have anything to do with Jews.
No one but you talks about it, let alone focuses on it.