Simple answer, my 'feefees' matter more than a literal body count to someone infected with leftist ideology
You see this on a lower scale on how they LOVE to grandstand on the still warm bodies of some of the recently deceased, and even NEARLY deceased with suicide attempts. They cannot be trusted with any position of importance for this very reason.
Sam Harris said that dead children piled in Hunter Biden's basement wouldn't convince him to sway his positions on Joe Biden, or Democrats generally. The man rejected God and Christianity so thoroughly it has him literally defending (hypothetical) child murder for ideology. Truly the descendants of Cain.
Very important to constantly remind yourself that no amount of appeals to dignity or humanity will have any effect on leftist activists, other than identifying yourself to them as somebody stupid enough to try to engage with them.
In case anyone had a doubt... this is from wikipedia:
Early life and education
Samuel Benjamin Harris was born in Los Angeles, California, on April 9, 1967.[12][13] He is the son of the late actor Berkeley Harris, who appeared mainly in Western films, and television writer and producer Susan Harris (née Spivak), who created Soap and The Golden Girls, among other series.[14][15] His father, born in North Carolina, came from a Quaker background, and his mother is Jewish but not religious.[16] He was raised by his mother following his parents' divorce when he was age two.[17] Harris has stated that his upbringing was entirely secular and that his parents rarely discussed religion, though he also stated that he was not raised as an atheist.[18]
Very curious that a man would reject God and Christianity so rabidly when he has a reputation for being so logical. I wonder what his religious background is?
Antonio, I recognize that being consistent in your moral philosophy may be foreign to you, but if I found out that Baron Trump (not Eric, as it would appear Hunter basically lived with Joe so I’m making it as 1:1 as possible) had dead children in his room I would 100000000% cease my support for Trump as it would be impossible for Donald to not know what was happening under his own roof. I would also look at the Republican Party with suspicion for the rest of my life.
Antonio, I recognize that being consistent in your moral philosophy may be foreign to you
It is, because close to no one is actually consistent.
Sam Harris was saying: I don't care at all about Hunter, because he's not the candidate. He made a hyperbolic example to make that clear.
if I found out that Baron Trump (not Eric, as it would appear Hunter basically lived with Joe so I’m making it as 1:1 as possible) had dead children in his room
Hunter is a 50-year-old guy. Is he shooting up crack cocaine and spending a fortune on prostitutes with Joe around in the same home? That seems a bit unlikely.
I would 100000000% cease my support for Trump as it would be impossible for Donald to not know what was happening under his own roof
Like I said, your comparison may not be entirely valid, but I'm almost sure that a lot of other people would disagree. They'll just say: "yeah, that's bad, but Biden is causing inflation and leading us all to World War III". Or "orange man bad, Alvin Bragg told us so and DEMOCRACY".
Besides, people have been voting for candidates who kill kids for decades, from both parties.
Sam Harris was saying: I don't care at all about Hunter, because he's not the candidate. He made a hyperbolic example to make that clear.
Actually he was saying that he didn't care about the laptop being covered up, which changes everything. This isn't a hypothetical world where Biden's presidency hinges on Harris' vote and where Harris' voting motives have to be boiled down to obnoxiously reductive logic. It's a real world, where he knows that the laptop getting full, free press coverage would have harmed Biden's campaign.
In this context he said that had Hunter had dead children in his basement and it had been covered up to protect Biden's campaign, then that still would have been the morally correct thing to do because of the extent of Trump's evil. It's got nothing to do with him not caring about pics of a naked guy doing blow and everything to do with him asserting that infowar is morally correct to protect Biden from Trump, even to the extent of covering up murdered kids.
Actually he was saying that he didn't care about the laptop being covered up, which changes everything.
Correct, he was lying (or extremely ill-informed) and pretending that the laptop was just about Hunter's troubled personal life and not the corruption of, the gods protect him, Joe Biden.
This isn't a hypothetical world where Biden's presidency hinges on Harris' vote and where Harris' voting motives have to be boiled down to obnoxiously reductive logic. It's a real world, where he knows that the laptop getting full, free press coverage would have harmed Biden's campaign.
Correct. He even accidentally told the truth and said that it was a left-wing conspiracy until ratonalization kicked in. But isn't it interesting that by the time he addressed this, Biden's presidency did not hinge on Harris rationalizing all the evils done to get there, and he justified it anyway?
In this context he said that had Hunter had dead children in his basement and it had been covered up to protect Biden's campaign, then that still would have been the morally correct thing to do because of the extent of Trump's evil.
While I don't doubt that he would have believed that in the situation, and perhaps even justify it to himself by persuading himself that this has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with Joe Biden, I think that as it happened, he was just saying that he doesn't care.
It would astonish me greatly that the Democrats had somehow never managed to dig up any dirt on the Trumps that would point to them being the kind of people that would have bodies in their basement. We know that Democrats are surrounded by people that die suspiciously all the time; any of Hillary's friends, Seth Rich, Epstein, that Obama pool guy, the dead girl in Joe Scarborough's office, Joan Rivers after calling Michelle Obama a tranny, etc.
I balk and the scenario turn-around just because I think the quality of people involved is so different. Sam's problem is that he is so rabidly anti-Trump because of the media he consumes and the people he surrounds himself with. He openly expresses and indulges in his hypocrisy that he's okay with a conspiracy to keep Trump out of office by hiding Hunter's laptop, but then tries to pretend that it wasn't a conspiracy either, and that it can't be a "Left Wing" conspiracy because Liz Cheney was involved (same clip as above). I am anti-Biden and Democrats because I actually engage with and see reality instead of fighting against it and lying about it brazenly; no human is illegal, trannies are women, women are equal to men, all people are equal value, etc.
If Eric had dead kids in his basement, I would not suddenly support the opposite political party, but that is not Sam's problem. He refuses to accept that the world that has been created for him is a lie, and that he has lost his grip on reality. His information is faulty, and he refuses to perform the personal introspection necessary to avoid destroying himself with it. I don't need him to support Trump, I need him to be the honest intellectual that he has built a career pretending to be.
We know that Democrats are surrounded by people that die suspiciously all the time; any of Hillary's friends, Seth Rich, Epstein, that Obama pool guy, the dead girl in Joe Scarborough's office, Joan Rivers after calling Michelle Obama a tranny, etc.
Come on, Joan Rivers? Really? Reminds me of when an old, unhealthy black lady died at age 70-something and people here cried MURDER!!!!!!! because her sister said that it was because of a vaccine that she did not take.
I balk and the scenario turn-around just because I think the quality of people involved is so different.
But you know the people on the other side think exactly the same thing, that as laughable as it seems to us, Joe Biden is a 'decent man', and Trump isn't? You can't just dismiss as scenario because you think it's unlikely. I'm not saying that it is likely, only that no one changes his political views wholesale because the son of a prez candidate turns out to be something nasty.
Sam's problem is that he is so rabidly anti-Trump because of the media he consumes and the people he surrounds himself with. He openly expresses and indulges in his hypocrisy that he's okay with a conspiracy to keep Trump out of office by hiding Hunter's laptop, but then tries to pretend that it wasn't a conspiracy either, and that it can't be a "Left Wing" conspiracy because Liz Cheney was involved (same clip as above).
LOL. Don't remind me. It's so absurd. First admit that it's a left-wing conspiracy, then say that it's not left-wing because Cheney crime family and not a conspiracy because SHUT UP RACIST.
I don't need him to support Trump, I need him to be the honest intellectual that he has built a career pretending to be.
I actually agree. I stopped listening to Sam & Bill Maher because their TDS just became so boring. I also think that the sentiments he expressed in the clip you mentioned are very anti-democratic and quite bad, just that the particular thing you took issue with is hardly unique to Sam as the rest of it is.
Yes, if only tangentially. Joan talks directly into some guy's camera saying "everyone knows Michelle Obama is a dude" and then dies during a routine plastic surgery right afterward. Don't tell me you haven't seen any of the pictures/videos of Big Mike's bulge? It's not my go-to for political assassinations and mysterious deaths, but I'm convinced it fits the bill.
Several solid examples, and you just want to whine about the sketchy one and ignore the point.
Reminds me of when an old, unhealthy black lady died at age 70-something and people here cried MURDER!!!!!!! because her sister said that it was because of a vaccine that she did not take.
Apparently you still can't get over how wrong you were about the "safe and effective" jab. When everybody has been subjected to an experimental medication -- in many cases against their will -- and people start dying under odd circumstances, the burden of proof is on the fucking jab pushers to show evidence that it isn't due to their experiment.
And again, you want to talk about one case where people might have gotten it wrong and ignore the mountains of cases where they didn't.
Several solid examples, and you just want to whine about the sketchy one and ignore the point.
The fact that someone believes something absurd says it all.
Also, I contest that they are 'solid example'. Hillary isn't a serial killer. She probably has the morals of one, but if you discount all the people she killed outside the US, there is zero evidence for any of those claims.
Apparently you still can't get over how wrong you were about the "safe and effective" jab.
Actually, what I said stood up rather well. But you are forgiven, you probably have no idea what I said and are just being presumptuous.
The only thing I was wrong about is that I didn't realize mRNA was unnecessary for quickly developing a vaccine, since other countries developed one just as fast, if not faster, without mRNA. So it's clear why mRNA was used.
And again, you want to talk about one case where people might have gotten it wrong and ignore the mountains of cases where they didn't.
If people make claims that the Corona-vaccine is responsible for a death of someone who did not even take it, and people who died before it was out (the first time-traveling vaccine, who went back in time along with the Russians who write Joy Reid's blog), that says everything about how seriously you should take the claims of those same people when they blame every last death on the Corona vaccine, with no evidence.
You always argue like a leftist troll.
As if after people calling me far-right for a decade, I care what you think I argue like.
We know there was more, we have the records showing they took money earmarked for upgrading school security like better locks for their own private interests
So when the shooting happened, it was WAY worse than it should've been.
Ever heard of a fatal charade? Just because it was a false flag doesn't mean the killing was fake. It wouldn't even be the first time our government killed a bunch of innocent American children for political purposes. Remember Waco?
"Our government would never do anything against our own people for our own personal advantages!" -The people who gave hard drugs to specific communities in order to destroy them so they'll vote a specific way they weren't voting before.
I prefer the O.J. Simpson civil case as a comparison. Alex Jones got fined more for talking about the murders than he would have if he'd killed them himself.
Not to mention Jones was never convicted of anything, the court made a default judgement against him, something that normally only happens when you fail to show up. Imagine showing up in court only to be told you're guilty by default, and given this outrageous fine. If this was a movie plot it would be aughed at for being unbelievable.
those big corporations have important politicians, and often judges, in their pocket.
In Canada, Justin Trudeau himself tried to get the federal Minister of Justice / former Attorney General to downgrade corruption charges against SNC Lavalin.
Trudeau kicked 3 deputies out of the party. The former Justice minister and 2 who supported her.
The amount of illegal shit Trudeau comited during his rule should be enough to keep in in jail for the rest of his life. But in Clown World, he's free and keeps doing it.
"Fun" fact, the west determines the value of a human life at about 10mil per person.
If Alex Jones was fined for the full value of a western human life at the peak of its potential, for every kill, he could kill more than a quarter of a million people, and still not be at the level of levee he was assigned.
Were there 20 Alex Joneses, they would commit the same damage as Hitler. Even just a dozen Alex Joneses would, apparently, be enough to 100% completely redefine the entirety of the world for a century to come, at least.
This is true, but we should always stand up for the truth - and anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows that Sandy Hook was a complete fabrication.
Well we already know that you're a JIDF shill for Israel
You do?
How did you gain this great wisdom? No doubt by the same route that told you that Newtown was FAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
so wouldn't surprise me if you're a shill for the US government's lies
It "wouldn't surprise you"? That's different from knowing for a fact as you just pretended you did. Also, if I'm a shill, why are you here? Wouldn't this place be a honeypot or whatever?
Maybe Alex Jones should have pointed his ire at Boeing instead of grieving parents through a bullhorn in the town were their little ones were gunned down.
Just for the record Boeing are the bad guys with this information, but only the bigger bad guys.
I just think doing it through a loudspeaker at the location were a mass murder of children took place and broadcasting it to the world is a little much for anyone.
That huge chuck of change bad? Nah, that's indicative of something else, something properly corrupt within the system and needs to be addressed.
Boeing is reflective of that proper corruption within the system and that should be what's getting addressed. But not by Alex, he made a bad call and his reputation is floundering because of it (Well, apart from with the whackos who think 9/11 was the Intergalactic Light Federation working with the Antarctic Nazis to stop the spread of the shadow demons).
This is no different from all those people calling for the media to be overhauled because now, and only now, they think that they've not been doing their jobs properly and Trump was on a plane 69 times and he clearly did X with a 13 year old girl and that interview is from 4/8 years ago.
Jones did wrong that day, the media is corrupt and we're not getting anywhere near the real stories as to why any of this is happening.
Maybe Alex Jones should have pointed his ire at Boeing instead of grieving parents through a bullhorn in the town were their little ones were gunned down.
Interesting. Any other cases where people must conform to the approved message? And who exactly sets what is and isn't the approved message? Do you also support the prosecution of people who were at the capitol on Jan 6? How about the Canadian Freedom Convoy? Or is that Different™? Hell, let's move away from the politics, what about shit like OJ Simpson. Do you think he did it? Careful, the state decided he was innocent, and speaking out against that might hurt some feelings.
Jones is a bit of a nut, but remember, you're justifying and defending a $2.7 TRILLION fine for hurting some feelings. Dick move? Sure, regardless of where you stand on it. Deserving of a completely insane fine to try and make an example out of him for his anti-state views? Is that really the hill you want to perch your flag on? The one that's pro-state approved messages?
Interesting. Any other cases where people must conform to the approved message? And who exactly sets what is and isn't the approved message?
I just feel that aggravating grieving parents aren't just means to get clicks to your videos. In other parts of the world he wouldn't have been breathing shortly after doing so. Nothing wrong with pointing out inconsistencies and making the world a better place. But the "By Any Means Necessary" motto is not he smart way of going about it.
Do you also support the...t might hurt some feelings.
Two many specifics which only dilute the case here which is Boeing got an easy fine when compared to someone who speaks out of turn at a tragic event. Jones messed up and should be punished but if we're doing any comparisons it should be why is his punishment so very different from that of Boeing?
Is that really the hill you want to perch your flag on? The one that's pro-state approved messages?
All I do is put myself in the place of the parents of both the victims of Sandy Hook and Boeing's corruption and I want justice at both ends. The Boeing case is clearly not synchronising with the Alec Jones case when it comes to punitive damage and that's what should be pointed out and made better - however that goes.
In many parts of the world you wouldn't be breathing after criticism of the prevailing government, which is something you've definitely done, so what's your point exactly?
We (Alex Jones and I) live in fucking America. We get to enjoy the right to be free to say and do shit that authoritarian shitbags would kill us over.
I also have the freedom to call Alec Jones a scumbag. I also have the right to say he's been far too over-punished for his words and that, in comparison to Boeing, it's not a fair system.
I also have the right to say he's been far too over-punished for his words
Do I have a typing stutter or something?
Your original and followup comment said nothing of the sort. In fact, it was entirely justifications the fines he faced, only stating that Boeing should face worse, not that Jones faced an injustice.
And what's more is that you're not trying to defend calling Jones a scumbag. Nobody cares if you call him a lying, retarded, cock-gobbler with a penchant for crossdressing amputee midgets. Nobody gives two shits about that, and you know it. You were defending the fines he faced. That he deserved punishment for spoken word and unpopular opinions. Unkind opinions, sure. But that's all they were. Opinions. By all metrics, it's censorship. Censorship that you support.
There was no stutter. You made yourself clear: You don't like him, and don't care if he faces punishments regardless of whether he actually deserves it on a principled matter. You're just not liking that it's not getting the traction you thought it would.
See you at the next Westboro Baptist meetup at that dead solder's funeral.
You're the one holding the "God hates fags" sign, right?
Damn right I stand by there being a punitive measure for his actions. Words through a bullhorn in the town of a massacre saying it's fake within a week of the deaths of those children is more than words. It's action and if we let everyone get away with this stuff then we'd let the streets be aflame because of a perceived injustice towards a man who died while being arrested because of some phone footage.
Yes Boeing should have been punished much harder than they were, that doesn't lessen the fact that Alec was over-punished for deranged actions all to get clicks to his snake oil vitamin pills.
What's next, you gonna say "It's just a prank brah!"?
See you at the next Westboro Baptist meetup at that dead solder's funeral.
You're the one holding the "God hates fags" sign, right?
Can't attack the points, so you'll make up actual strawmen to try and attack a character you think I embody. But it's funny that you bring up, out of literally nowhere, actual unironic grifters that rely on overly emotional dipshits to attack them so they can get a payday.
Damn right I stand by there being a punitive measure for his actions. Words through a bullhorn in the town of a massacre saying it's fake within a week of the deaths of those children is more than words. It's action and if we let everyone get away with this stuff then we'd let the streets be aflame because of a perceived injustice towards a man who died while being arrested because of some phone footage.
Can you actually define what that "action" is? It's not even incitement, one of the few legs that pro-censorship types love to trot out to try and defend their calls for unapologetic censorship. Or is it just Different™?
Tell me, what's your stance on Snowden and Assange? Surely they're far more evil than Jones. After all, your concern is about supposedly causing harm, and maintaining a comfortable lie is far less dangerous than exposing harmful truths, right? Or again, is it Different™? And if it is Different™, is it purely based in emotional calls? So long as enough people have an emotional reaction, we can censor with glee? I mean, truth has played zero basis in your rationale.
What's next, you gonna say "It's just a prank brah!"?
Whew lad, you got any more of them opinions someone else fed to you? Any more slogans to churn out?
Again, it's funny how you have to try and attack character traits that YOU assert I have. Meanwhile, all I have to do is point out your ardent support of censorship because of hurt feelings and that's it.
So fuck it. You're not going to budge, I'm not going to budge. In the end, it simply comes down to you supporting a comfortable censorship rather than having to ignore a dipshit.
It was certainly not impartial. Alec is being asked to mop up a decent amount of national debt for making a dick move at a time when tensions were high all around.
They are doing a dirty on him and, while I don't like him, we need to address how the courts can be so wrong on their judgements.
"oh but people respond weirdly to grief, not how you'd expect"
Ok, fine, but you must admit it looks suss, he absolutely looks like he's not grieving. And if you're going to hold AJ guilty for it, every single Australian in the 80s with the Dingo-baby case is guilty of the same thing.
It does look suspicious but why not suspect that one guy being the kind of asshole who is enjoying the publicity and attention and is sociopathicly indifferent to how he's getting it. It seems like a shorter step.
There's certainly a lot of precedent for parents going, "I'm so sad he's gone. Anyway, here's my GoFundMe."
The memory holing has been as absolute as can be on this one. The only videos still up at around the time are Piers Morgan, The Amazing Atheist and Steve Shives but I saw Alec, at Sandy Hook, with his bullhorn and riling those who were grieving and coming to terms with the massacre by Adam Lanza.
It was a bad call, these things unfortunately happen. The court siding with Boeing is far worse.
But two bad calls are still bad calls regardless of how they are compared.
AJ didn't point any ire at anyone. He just had a guest on making a suggestion - no crazier than any of the other satanic conspiracy theories they often bring up - which was eventually retracted.
Even if he had, nobody would expect such an unprecedented fine for that. That's like saying "well if Trump didn't want to get impeached I guess he shouldn't have made that phone call."
I don't know why Trump is being brought into a situation were it's about Alec Jones being at Sandy Hook and acting inappropriately for views.
He made a bad call, like the Westboro church when they show up to soldier's funerals to say that "God hates fags". It was inappropriate and wrong.
Should he have had to shutter his enterprise because of it? Not at all in my opinion but a hefty dose of punitive damage for breaking the social contract should be levied to stop others taking such risks without receipts.
Boeing have clearly bypassed any sort of decency to get away with the murder of over 340 people here and that's a bigger no-no but still a no-no.
Simple answer, my 'feefees' matter more than a literal body count to someone infected with leftist ideology
You see this on a lower scale on how they LOVE to grandstand on the still warm bodies of some of the recently deceased, and even NEARLY deceased with suicide attempts. They cannot be trusted with any position of importance for this very reason.
Sam Harris said that dead children piled in Hunter Biden's basement wouldn't convince him to sway his positions on Joe Biden, or Democrats generally. The man rejected God and Christianity so thoroughly it has him literally defending (hypothetical) child murder for ideology. Truly the descendants of Cain.
Very important to constantly remind yourself that no amount of appeals to dignity or humanity will have any effect on leftist activists, other than identifying yourself to them as somebody stupid enough to try to engage with them.
In case anyone had a doubt... this is from wikipedia:
Early life and education
Samuel Benjamin Harris was born in Los Angeles, California, on April 9, 1967.[12][13] He is the son of the late actor Berkeley Harris, who appeared mainly in Western films, and television writer and producer Susan Harris (née Spivak), who created Soap and The Golden Girls, among other series.[14][15] His father, born in North Carolina, came from a Quaker background, and his mother is Jewish but not religious.[16] He was raised by his mother following his parents' divorce when he was age two.[17] Harris has stated that his upbringing was entirely secular and that his parents rarely discussed religion, though he also stated that he was not raised as an atheist.[18]
Very curious that a man would reject God and Christianity so rabidly when he has a reputation for being so logical. I wonder what his religious background is?
Just out of curiosity: if Eric Trump had dead children in his basement, would that make you support Joe Biden or Democrats?
That said, if you go around bringing it up and bragging about it, then there's something wrong with you.
Antonio, I recognize that being consistent in your moral philosophy may be foreign to you, but if I found out that Baron Trump (not Eric, as it would appear Hunter basically lived with Joe so I’m making it as 1:1 as possible) had dead children in his room I would 100000000% cease my support for Trump as it would be impossible for Donald to not know what was happening under his own roof. I would also look at the Republican Party with suspicion for the rest of my life.
The left hold no such morality.
It is, because close to no one is actually consistent.
Sam Harris was saying: I don't care at all about Hunter, because he's not the candidate. He made a hyperbolic example to make that clear.
Hunter is a 50-year-old guy. Is he shooting up crack cocaine and spending a fortune on prostitutes with Joe around in the same home? That seems a bit unlikely.
Like I said, your comparison may not be entirely valid, but I'm almost sure that a lot of other people would disagree. They'll just say: "yeah, that's bad, but Biden is causing inflation and leading us all to World War III". Or "orange man bad, Alvin Bragg told us so and DEMOCRACY".
Besides, people have been voting for candidates who kill kids for decades, from both parties.
Actually he was saying that he didn't care about the laptop being covered up, which changes everything. This isn't a hypothetical world where Biden's presidency hinges on Harris' vote and where Harris' voting motives have to be boiled down to obnoxiously reductive logic. It's a real world, where he knows that the laptop getting full, free press coverage would have harmed Biden's campaign.
In this context he said that had Hunter had dead children in his basement and it had been covered up to protect Biden's campaign, then that still would have been the morally correct thing to do because of the extent of Trump's evil. It's got nothing to do with him not caring about pics of a naked guy doing blow and everything to do with him asserting that infowar is morally correct to protect Biden from Trump, even to the extent of covering up murdered kids.
Correct, he was lying (or extremely ill-informed) and pretending that the laptop was just about Hunter's troubled personal life and not the corruption of, the gods protect him, Joe Biden.
Correct. He even accidentally told the truth and said that it was a left-wing conspiracy until ratonalization kicked in. But isn't it interesting that by the time he addressed this, Biden's presidency did not hinge on Harris rationalizing all the evils done to get there, and he justified it anyway?
While I don't doubt that he would have believed that in the situation, and perhaps even justify it to himself by persuading himself that this has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with Joe Biden, I think that as it happened, he was just saying that he doesn't care.
It would astonish me greatly that the Democrats had somehow never managed to dig up any dirt on the Trumps that would point to them being the kind of people that would have bodies in their basement. We know that Democrats are surrounded by people that die suspiciously all the time; any of Hillary's friends, Seth Rich, Epstein, that Obama pool guy, the dead girl in Joe Scarborough's office, Joan Rivers after calling Michelle Obama a tranny, etc.
I balk and the scenario turn-around just because I think the quality of people involved is so different. Sam's problem is that he is so rabidly anti-Trump because of the media he consumes and the people he surrounds himself with. He openly expresses and indulges in his hypocrisy that he's okay with a conspiracy to keep Trump out of office by hiding Hunter's laptop, but then tries to pretend that it wasn't a conspiracy either, and that it can't be a "Left Wing" conspiracy because Liz Cheney was involved (same clip as above). I am anti-Biden and Democrats because I actually engage with and see reality instead of fighting against it and lying about it brazenly; no human is illegal, trannies are women, women are equal to men, all people are equal value, etc.
If Eric had dead kids in his basement, I would not suddenly support the opposite political party, but that is not Sam's problem. He refuses to accept that the world that has been created for him is a lie, and that he has lost his grip on reality. His information is faulty, and he refuses to perform the personal introspection necessary to avoid destroying himself with it. I don't need him to support Trump, I need him to be the honest intellectual that he has built a career pretending to be.
Come on, Joan Rivers? Really? Reminds me of when an old, unhealthy black lady died at age 70-something and people here cried MURDER!!!!!!! because her sister said that it was because of a vaccine that she did not take.
But you know the people on the other side think exactly the same thing, that as laughable as it seems to us, Joe Biden is a 'decent man', and Trump isn't? You can't just dismiss as scenario because you think it's unlikely. I'm not saying that it is likely, only that no one changes his political views wholesale because the son of a prez candidate turns out to be something nasty.
LOL. Don't remind me. It's so absurd. First admit that it's a left-wing conspiracy, then say that it's not left-wing because Cheney crime family and not a conspiracy because SHUT UP RACIST.
I actually agree. I stopped listening to Sam & Bill Maher because their TDS just became so boring. I also think that the sentiments he expressed in the clip you mentioned are very anti-democratic and quite bad, just that the particular thing you took issue with is hardly unique to Sam as the rest of it is.
Yes, if only tangentially. Joan talks directly into some guy's camera saying "everyone knows Michelle Obama is a dude" and then dies during a routine plastic surgery right afterward. Don't tell me you haven't seen any of the pictures/videos of Big Mike's bulge? It's not my go-to for political assassinations and mysterious deaths, but I'm convinced it fits the bill.
People die. She was the same age as Joe Biden. It's not exactly unheard of for people to die at that age.
Several solid examples, and you just want to whine about the sketchy one and ignore the point.
Apparently you still can't get over how wrong you were about the "safe and effective" jab. When everybody has been subjected to an experimental medication -- in many cases against their will -- and people start dying under odd circumstances, the burden of proof is on the fucking jab pushers to show evidence that it isn't due to their experiment.
And again, you want to talk about one case where people might have gotten it wrong and ignore the mountains of cases where they didn't.
You always argue like a leftist troll.
The fact that someone believes something absurd says it all.
Also, I contest that they are 'solid example'. Hillary isn't a serial killer. She probably has the morals of one, but if you discount all the people she killed outside the US, there is zero evidence for any of those claims.
Actually, what I said stood up rather well. But you are forgiven, you probably have no idea what I said and are just being presumptuous.
The only thing I was wrong about is that I didn't realize mRNA was unnecessary for quickly developing a vaccine, since other countries developed one just as fast, if not faster, without mRNA. So it's clear why mRNA was used.
If people make claims that the Corona-vaccine is responsible for a death of someone who did not even take it, and people who died before it was out (the first time-traveling vaccine, who went back in time along with the Russians who write Joy Reid's blog), that says everything about how seriously you should take the claims of those same people when they blame every last death on the Corona vaccine, with no evidence.
As if after people calling me far-right for a decade, I care what you think I argue like.
Why not use an accurate inverse analogy?
Though as the other guy points out Eric and Hunter are not exactly good comparisons either.
I can imagine someone saying: it would change my mind, but I'd continue supporting him.
Or there was more to Sandy Hook than people realize and Alex Jones was right on the fucking money.
Given the way the left lost their shit, I'm thinking he was on to something.
That I'm only half serious about this should really tell how badly faith has been broken with reality as a whole. I hate this fucking timeline.
We know there was more, we have the records showing they took money earmarked for upgrading school security like better locks for their own private interests
So when the shooting happened, it was WAY worse than it should've been.
Ever heard of a fatal charade? Just because it was a false flag doesn't mean the killing was fake. It wouldn't even be the first time our government killed a bunch of innocent American children for political purposes. Remember Waco?
"Our government would never do anything against our own people for our own personal advantages!" -The people who gave hard drugs to specific communities in order to destroy them so they'll vote a specific way they weren't voting before.
I prefer the O.J. Simpson civil case as a comparison. Alex Jones got fined more for talking about the murders than he would have if he'd killed them himself.
Not to mention Jones was never convicted of anything, the court made a default judgement against him, something that normally only happens when you fail to show up. Imagine showing up in court only to be told you're guilty by default, and given this outrageous fine. If this was a movie plot it would be aughed at for being unbelievable.
Boeing is a tax cash-cow and a proud partner of the military industrial complex.
Jones is a dissident.
Why expect anything different? "Justice" is a meaningless word in this context.
Justice is the advantage of the stronger, like Thrasymachus said.
those big corporations have important politicians, and often judges, in their pocket.
In Canada, Justin Trudeau himself tried to get the federal Minister of Justice / former Attorney General to downgrade corruption charges against SNC Lavalin.
He demoted the Justice minister when she refused.
That company re-branded itself as AtkinsRéalis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNC-Lavalin_affair
Trudeau kicked 3 deputies out of the party. The former Justice minister and 2 who supported her.
The amount of illegal shit Trudeau comited during his rule should be enough to keep in in jail for the rest of his life. But in Clown World, he's free and keeps doing it.
One is punished as a political opponent.
The other receives a sweetheart deal as a cherished corporate donor.
As expected. Simple.
"Fun" fact, the west determines the value of a human life at about 10mil per person.
If Alex Jones was fined for the full value of a western human life at the peak of its potential, for every kill, he could kill more than a quarter of a million people, and still not be at the level of levee he was assigned.
Were there 20 Alex Joneses, they would commit the same damage as Hitler. Even just a dozen Alex Joneses would, apparently, be enough to 100% completely redefine the entirety of the world for a century to come, at least.
Y'all still flying?!
Reminder that no matter what they say, no matter what legal force they use, Sandy Hook DID NOT HAPPEN, objectively. Nobody died at all at Sandy Hook.
Frankly it doesn't matter if it did or not. What they did to Alex Jones is inexcusable regardless.
This is true, but we should always stand up for the truth - and anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows that Sandy Hook was a complete fabrication.
I wasn't buying your claim until I saw that you typed out 'objectively'.
Can't argue with OBJECTIVE reality.
Fuck off, shill.
Am I allowed to know whom I am shilling for?
Well we already know that you're a JIDF shill for Israel, so wouldn't surprise me if you're a shill for the US government's lies too.
You do?
How did you gain this great wisdom? No doubt by the same route that told you that Newtown was FAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It "wouldn't surprise you"? That's different from knowing for a fact as you just pretended you did. Also, if I'm a shill, why are you here? Wouldn't this place be a honeypot or whatever?
lol fuck off.
I'm not even going to entertain your shill bullshittery with a legitimate response.
No surprise that we don't get a legitimate response from you when you have none.
Maybe Alex Jones should have pointed his ire at Boeing instead of grieving parents through a bullhorn in the town were their little ones were gunned down.
Just for the record Boeing are the bad guys with this information, but only the bigger bad guys.
AJ dindu nuffin, unless you think people should be prosecuted for calling 9/11 an inside job
I'm all for people saying whatever they want.
I just think doing it through a loudspeaker at the location were a mass murder of children took place and broadcasting it to the world is a little much for anyone.
That huge chuck of change bad? Nah, that's indicative of something else, something properly corrupt within the system and needs to be addressed.
Boeing is reflective of that proper corruption within the system and that should be what's getting addressed. But not by Alex, he made a bad call and his reputation is floundering because of it (Well, apart from with the whackos who think 9/11 was the Intergalactic Light Federation working with the Antarctic Nazis to stop the spread of the shadow demons).
This is no different from all those people calling for the media to be overhauled because now, and only now, they think that they've not been doing their jobs properly and Trump was on a plane 69 times and he clearly did X with a 13 year old girl and that interview is from 4/8 years ago.
Jones did wrong that day, the media is corrupt and we're not getting anywhere near the real stories as to why any of this is happening.
All the world’s a stage, and there are more things in Heaven and Earth, Moriarty, than are dreamt of in your philo-sophia
A true and apt take on the subject Graph :)
Interesting. Any other cases where people must conform to the approved message? And who exactly sets what is and isn't the approved message? Do you also support the prosecution of people who were at the capitol on Jan 6? How about the Canadian Freedom Convoy? Or is that Different™? Hell, let's move away from the politics, what about shit like OJ Simpson. Do you think he did it? Careful, the state decided he was innocent, and speaking out against that might hurt some feelings.
Jones is a bit of a nut, but remember, you're justifying and defending a $2.7 TRILLION fine for hurting some feelings. Dick move? Sure, regardless of where you stand on it. Deserving of a completely insane fine to try and make an example out of him for his anti-state views? Is that really the hill you want to perch your flag on? The one that's pro-state approved messages?
I just feel that aggravating grieving parents aren't just means to get clicks to your videos. In other parts of the world he wouldn't have been breathing shortly after doing so. Nothing wrong with pointing out inconsistencies and making the world a better place. But the "By Any Means Necessary" motto is not he smart way of going about it.
Two many specifics which only dilute the case here which is Boeing got an easy fine when compared to someone who speaks out of turn at a tragic event. Jones messed up and should be punished but if we're doing any comparisons it should be why is his punishment so very different from that of Boeing?
All I do is put myself in the place of the parents of both the victims of Sandy Hook and Boeing's corruption and I want justice at both ends. The Boeing case is clearly not synchronising with the Alec Jones case when it comes to punitive damage and that's what should be pointed out and made better - however that goes.
In many parts of the world you wouldn't be breathing after criticism of the prevailing government, which is something you've definitely done, so what's your point exactly?
We (Alex Jones and I) live in fucking America. We get to enjoy the right to be free to say and do shit that authoritarian shitbags would kill us over.
You are perfectly right.
I also have the freedom to call Alec Jones a scumbag. I also have the right to say he's been far too over-punished for his words and that, in comparison to Boeing, it's not a fair system.
Do I have a typing stutter or something?
Your original and followup comment said nothing of the sort. In fact, it was entirely justifications the fines he faced, only stating that Boeing should face worse, not that Jones faced an injustice.
And what's more is that you're not trying to defend calling Jones a scumbag. Nobody cares if you call him a lying, retarded, cock-gobbler with a penchant for crossdressing amputee midgets. Nobody gives two shits about that, and you know it. You were defending the fines he faced. That he deserved punishment for spoken word and unpopular opinions. Unkind opinions, sure. But that's all they were. Opinions. By all metrics, it's censorship. Censorship that you support.
There was no stutter. You made yourself clear: You don't like him, and don't care if he faces punishments regardless of whether he actually deserves it on a principled matter. You're just not liking that it's not getting the traction you thought it would.
See you at the next Westboro Baptist meetup at that dead solder's funeral.
You're the one holding the "God hates fags" sign, right?
Damn right I stand by there being a punitive measure for his actions. Words through a bullhorn in the town of a massacre saying it's fake within a week of the deaths of those children is more than words. It's action and if we let everyone get away with this stuff then we'd let the streets be aflame because of a perceived injustice towards a man who died while being arrested because of some phone footage.
Yes Boeing should have been punished much harder than they were, that doesn't lessen the fact that Alec was over-punished for deranged actions all to get clicks to his snake oil vitamin pills.
What's next, you gonna say "It's just a prank brah!"?
Can't attack the points, so you'll make up actual strawmen to try and attack a character you think I embody. But it's funny that you bring up, out of literally nowhere, actual unironic grifters that rely on overly emotional dipshits to attack them so they can get a payday.
Can you actually define what that "action" is? It's not even incitement, one of the few legs that pro-censorship types love to trot out to try and defend their calls for unapologetic censorship. Or is it just Different™?
Tell me, what's your stance on Snowden and Assange? Surely they're far more evil than Jones. After all, your concern is about supposedly causing harm, and maintaining a comfortable lie is far less dangerous than exposing harmful truths, right? Or again, is it Different™? And if it is Different™, is it purely based in emotional calls? So long as enough people have an emotional reaction, we can censor with glee? I mean, truth has played zero basis in your rationale.
Whew lad, you got any more of them opinions someone else fed to you? Any more slogans to churn out?
Again, it's funny how you have to try and attack character traits that YOU assert I have. Meanwhile, all I have to do is point out your ardent support of censorship because of hurt feelings and that's it.
So fuck it. You're not going to budge, I'm not going to budge. In the end, it simply comes down to you supporting a comfortable censorship rather than having to ignore a dipshit.
2.75 trillion worth? You can't say that was an impartial ruling
It was certainly not impartial. Alec is being asked to mop up a decent amount of national debt for making a dick move at a time when tensions were high all around.
They are doing a dirty on him and, while I don't like him, we need to address how the courts can be so wrong on their judgements.
https://rumble.com/v17nr1a-sandy-hook-robbie-parker-getting-into-character.html
Yeah looks legit to me.
"oh but people respond weirdly to grief, not how you'd expect"
Ok, fine, but you must admit it looks suss, he absolutely looks like he's not grieving. And if you're going to hold AJ guilty for it, every single Australian in the 80s with the Dingo-baby case is guilty of the same thing.
It does look suspicious but why not suspect that one guy being the kind of asshole who is enjoying the publicity and attention and is sociopathicly indifferent to how he's getting it. It seems like a shorter step.
There's certainly a lot of precedent for parents going, "I'm so sad he's gone. Anyway, here's my GoFundMe."
The memory holing has been as absolute as can be on this one. The only videos still up at around the time are Piers Morgan, The Amazing Atheist and Steve Shives but I saw Alec, at Sandy Hook, with his bullhorn and riling those who were grieving and coming to terms with the massacre by Adam Lanza.
It was a bad call, these things unfortunately happen. The court siding with Boeing is far worse.
But two bad calls are still bad calls regardless of how they are compared.
AJ didn't point any ire at anyone. He just had a guest on making a suggestion - no crazier than any of the other satanic conspiracy theories they often bring up - which was eventually retracted.
Even if he had, nobody would expect such an unprecedented fine for that. That's like saying "well if Trump didn't want to get impeached I guess he shouldn't have made that phone call."
I don't know why Trump is being brought into a situation were it's about Alec Jones being at Sandy Hook and acting inappropriately for views.
He made a bad call, like the Westboro church when they show up to soldier's funerals to say that "God hates fags". It was inappropriate and wrong.
Should he have had to shutter his enterprise because of it? Not at all in my opinion but a hefty dose of punitive damage for breaking the social contract should be levied to stop others taking such risks without receipts.
Boeing have clearly bypassed any sort of decency to get away with the murder of over 340 people here and that's a bigger no-no but still a no-no.