Antonio, I recognize that being consistent in your moral philosophy may be foreign to you, but if I found out that Baron Trump (not Eric, as it would appear Hunter basically lived with Joe so I’m making it as 1:1 as possible) had dead children in his room I would 100000000% cease my support for Trump as it would be impossible for Donald to not know what was happening under his own roof. I would also look at the Republican Party with suspicion for the rest of my life.
Antonio, I recognize that being consistent in your moral philosophy may be foreign to you
It is, because close to no one is actually consistent.
Sam Harris was saying: I don't care at all about Hunter, because he's not the candidate. He made a hyperbolic example to make that clear.
if I found out that Baron Trump (not Eric, as it would appear Hunter basically lived with Joe so I’m making it as 1:1 as possible) had dead children in his room
Hunter is a 50-year-old guy. Is he shooting up crack cocaine and spending a fortune on prostitutes with Joe around in the same home? That seems a bit unlikely.
I would 100000000% cease my support for Trump as it would be impossible for Donald to not know what was happening under his own roof
Like I said, your comparison may not be entirely valid, but I'm almost sure that a lot of other people would disagree. They'll just say: "yeah, that's bad, but Biden is causing inflation and leading us all to World War III". Or "orange man bad, Alvin Bragg told us so and DEMOCRACY".
Besides, people have been voting for candidates who kill kids for decades, from both parties.
Sam Harris was saying: I don't care at all about Hunter, because he's not the candidate. He made a hyperbolic example to make that clear.
Actually he was saying that he didn't care about the laptop being covered up, which changes everything. This isn't a hypothetical world where Biden's presidency hinges on Harris' vote and where Harris' voting motives have to be boiled down to obnoxiously reductive logic. It's a real world, where he knows that the laptop getting full, free press coverage would have harmed Biden's campaign.
In this context he said that had Hunter had dead children in his basement and it had been covered up to protect Biden's campaign, then that still would have been the morally correct thing to do because of the extent of Trump's evil. It's got nothing to do with him not caring about pics of a naked guy doing blow and everything to do with him asserting that infowar is morally correct to protect Biden from Trump, even to the extent of covering up murdered kids.
Actually he was saying that he didn't care about the laptop being covered up, which changes everything.
Correct, he was lying (or extremely ill-informed) and pretending that the laptop was just about Hunter's troubled personal life and not the corruption of, the gods protect him, Joe Biden.
This isn't a hypothetical world where Biden's presidency hinges on Harris' vote and where Harris' voting motives have to be boiled down to obnoxiously reductive logic. It's a real world, where he knows that the laptop getting full, free press coverage would have harmed Biden's campaign.
Correct. He even accidentally told the truth and said that it was a left-wing conspiracy until ratonalization kicked in. But isn't it interesting that by the time he addressed this, Biden's presidency did not hinge on Harris rationalizing all the evils done to get there, and he justified it anyway?
In this context he said that had Hunter had dead children in his basement and it had been covered up to protect Biden's campaign, then that still would have been the morally correct thing to do because of the extent of Trump's evil.
While I don't doubt that he would have believed that in the situation, and perhaps even justify it to himself by persuading himself that this has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with Joe Biden, I think that as it happened, he was just saying that he doesn't care.
It would astonish me greatly that the Democrats had somehow never managed to dig up any dirt on the Trumps that would point to them being the kind of people that would have bodies in their basement. We know that Democrats are surrounded by people that die suspiciously all the time; any of Hillary's friends, Seth Rich, Epstein, that Obama pool guy, the dead girl in Joe Scarborough's office, Joan Rivers after calling Michelle Obama a tranny, etc.
I balk and the scenario turn-around just because I think the quality of people involved is so different. Sam's problem is that he is so rabidly anti-Trump because of the media he consumes and the people he surrounds himself with. He openly expresses and indulges in his hypocrisy that he's okay with a conspiracy to keep Trump out of office by hiding Hunter's laptop, but then tries to pretend that it wasn't a conspiracy either, and that it can't be a "Left Wing" conspiracy because Liz Cheney was involved (same clip as above). I am anti-Biden and Democrats because I actually engage with and see reality instead of fighting against it and lying about it brazenly; no human is illegal, trannies are women, women are equal to men, all people are equal value, etc.
If Eric had dead kids in his basement, I would not suddenly support the opposite political party, but that is not Sam's problem. He refuses to accept that the world that has been created for him is a lie, and that he has lost his grip on reality. His information is faulty, and he refuses to perform the personal introspection necessary to avoid destroying himself with it. I don't need him to support Trump, I need him to be the honest intellectual that he has built a career pretending to be.
We know that Democrats are surrounded by people that die suspiciously all the time; any of Hillary's friends, Seth Rich, Epstein, that Obama pool guy, the dead girl in Joe Scarborough's office, Joan Rivers after calling Michelle Obama a tranny, etc.
Come on, Joan Rivers? Really? Reminds me of when an old, unhealthy black lady died at age 70-something and people here cried MURDER!!!!!!! because her sister said that it was because of a vaccine that she did not take.
I balk and the scenario turn-around just because I think the quality of people involved is so different.
But you know the people on the other side think exactly the same thing, that as laughable as it seems to us, Joe Biden is a 'decent man', and Trump isn't? You can't just dismiss as scenario because you think it's unlikely. I'm not saying that it is likely, only that no one changes his political views wholesale because the son of a prez candidate turns out to be something nasty.
Sam's problem is that he is so rabidly anti-Trump because of the media he consumes and the people he surrounds himself with. He openly expresses and indulges in his hypocrisy that he's okay with a conspiracy to keep Trump out of office by hiding Hunter's laptop, but then tries to pretend that it wasn't a conspiracy either, and that it can't be a "Left Wing" conspiracy because Liz Cheney was involved (same clip as above).
LOL. Don't remind me. It's so absurd. First admit that it's a left-wing conspiracy, then say that it's not left-wing because Cheney crime family and not a conspiracy because SHUT UP RACIST.
I don't need him to support Trump, I need him to be the honest intellectual that he has built a career pretending to be.
I actually agree. I stopped listening to Sam & Bill Maher because their TDS just became so boring. I also think that the sentiments he expressed in the clip you mentioned are very anti-democratic and quite bad, just that the particular thing you took issue with is hardly unique to Sam as the rest of it is.
Yes, if only tangentially. Joan talks directly into some guy's camera saying "everyone knows Michelle Obama is a dude" and then dies during a routine plastic surgery right afterward. Don't tell me you haven't seen any of the pictures/videos of Big Mike's bulge? It's not my go-to for political assassinations and mysterious deaths, but I'm convinced it fits the bill.
Several solid examples, and you just want to whine about the sketchy one and ignore the point.
Reminds me of when an old, unhealthy black lady died at age 70-something and people here cried MURDER!!!!!!! because her sister said that it was because of a vaccine that she did not take.
Apparently you still can't get over how wrong you were about the "safe and effective" jab. When everybody has been subjected to an experimental medication -- in many cases against their will -- and people start dying under odd circumstances, the burden of proof is on the fucking jab pushers to show evidence that it isn't due to their experiment.
And again, you want to talk about one case where people might have gotten it wrong and ignore the mountains of cases where they didn't.
Several solid examples, and you just want to whine about the sketchy one and ignore the point.
The fact that someone believes something absurd says it all.
Also, I contest that they are 'solid example'. Hillary isn't a serial killer. She probably has the morals of one, but if you discount all the people she killed outside the US, there is zero evidence for any of those claims.
Apparently you still can't get over how wrong you were about the "safe and effective" jab.
Actually, what I said stood up rather well. But you are forgiven, you probably have no idea what I said and are just being presumptuous.
The only thing I was wrong about is that I didn't realize mRNA was unnecessary for quickly developing a vaccine, since other countries developed one just as fast, if not faster, without mRNA. So it's clear why mRNA was used.
And again, you want to talk about one case where people might have gotten it wrong and ignore the mountains of cases where they didn't.
If people make claims that the Corona-vaccine is responsible for a death of someone who did not even take it, and people who died before it was out (the first time-traveling vaccine, who went back in time along with the Russians who write Joy Reid's blog), that says everything about how seriously you should take the claims of those same people when they blame every last death on the Corona vaccine, with no evidence.
You always argue like a leftist troll.
As if after people calling me far-right for a decade, I care what you think I argue like.
Just out of curiosity: if Eric Trump had dead children in his basement, would that make you support Joe Biden or Democrats?
That said, if you go around bringing it up and bragging about it, then there's something wrong with you.
Antonio, I recognize that being consistent in your moral philosophy may be foreign to you, but if I found out that Baron Trump (not Eric, as it would appear Hunter basically lived with Joe so I’m making it as 1:1 as possible) had dead children in his room I would 100000000% cease my support for Trump as it would be impossible for Donald to not know what was happening under his own roof. I would also look at the Republican Party with suspicion for the rest of my life.
The left hold no such morality.
It is, because close to no one is actually consistent.
Sam Harris was saying: I don't care at all about Hunter, because he's not the candidate. He made a hyperbolic example to make that clear.
Hunter is a 50-year-old guy. Is he shooting up crack cocaine and spending a fortune on prostitutes with Joe around in the same home? That seems a bit unlikely.
Like I said, your comparison may not be entirely valid, but I'm almost sure that a lot of other people would disagree. They'll just say: "yeah, that's bad, but Biden is causing inflation and leading us all to World War III". Or "orange man bad, Alvin Bragg told us so and DEMOCRACY".
Besides, people have been voting for candidates who kill kids for decades, from both parties.
Actually he was saying that he didn't care about the laptop being covered up, which changes everything. This isn't a hypothetical world where Biden's presidency hinges on Harris' vote and where Harris' voting motives have to be boiled down to obnoxiously reductive logic. It's a real world, where he knows that the laptop getting full, free press coverage would have harmed Biden's campaign.
In this context he said that had Hunter had dead children in his basement and it had been covered up to protect Biden's campaign, then that still would have been the morally correct thing to do because of the extent of Trump's evil. It's got nothing to do with him not caring about pics of a naked guy doing blow and everything to do with him asserting that infowar is morally correct to protect Biden from Trump, even to the extent of covering up murdered kids.
Correct, he was lying (or extremely ill-informed) and pretending that the laptop was just about Hunter's troubled personal life and not the corruption of, the gods protect him, Joe Biden.
Correct. He even accidentally told the truth and said that it was a left-wing conspiracy until ratonalization kicked in. But isn't it interesting that by the time he addressed this, Biden's presidency did not hinge on Harris rationalizing all the evils done to get there, and he justified it anyway?
While I don't doubt that he would have believed that in the situation, and perhaps even justify it to himself by persuading himself that this has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with Joe Biden, I think that as it happened, he was just saying that he doesn't care.
It would astonish me greatly that the Democrats had somehow never managed to dig up any dirt on the Trumps that would point to them being the kind of people that would have bodies in their basement. We know that Democrats are surrounded by people that die suspiciously all the time; any of Hillary's friends, Seth Rich, Epstein, that Obama pool guy, the dead girl in Joe Scarborough's office, Joan Rivers after calling Michelle Obama a tranny, etc.
I balk and the scenario turn-around just because I think the quality of people involved is so different. Sam's problem is that he is so rabidly anti-Trump because of the media he consumes and the people he surrounds himself with. He openly expresses and indulges in his hypocrisy that he's okay with a conspiracy to keep Trump out of office by hiding Hunter's laptop, but then tries to pretend that it wasn't a conspiracy either, and that it can't be a "Left Wing" conspiracy because Liz Cheney was involved (same clip as above). I am anti-Biden and Democrats because I actually engage with and see reality instead of fighting against it and lying about it brazenly; no human is illegal, trannies are women, women are equal to men, all people are equal value, etc.
If Eric had dead kids in his basement, I would not suddenly support the opposite political party, but that is not Sam's problem. He refuses to accept that the world that has been created for him is a lie, and that he has lost his grip on reality. His information is faulty, and he refuses to perform the personal introspection necessary to avoid destroying himself with it. I don't need him to support Trump, I need him to be the honest intellectual that he has built a career pretending to be.
Come on, Joan Rivers? Really? Reminds me of when an old, unhealthy black lady died at age 70-something and people here cried MURDER!!!!!!! because her sister said that it was because of a vaccine that she did not take.
But you know the people on the other side think exactly the same thing, that as laughable as it seems to us, Joe Biden is a 'decent man', and Trump isn't? You can't just dismiss as scenario because you think it's unlikely. I'm not saying that it is likely, only that no one changes his political views wholesale because the son of a prez candidate turns out to be something nasty.
LOL. Don't remind me. It's so absurd. First admit that it's a left-wing conspiracy, then say that it's not left-wing because Cheney crime family and not a conspiracy because SHUT UP RACIST.
I actually agree. I stopped listening to Sam & Bill Maher because their TDS just became so boring. I also think that the sentiments he expressed in the clip you mentioned are very anti-democratic and quite bad, just that the particular thing you took issue with is hardly unique to Sam as the rest of it is.
Yes, if only tangentially. Joan talks directly into some guy's camera saying "everyone knows Michelle Obama is a dude" and then dies during a routine plastic surgery right afterward. Don't tell me you haven't seen any of the pictures/videos of Big Mike's bulge? It's not my go-to for political assassinations and mysterious deaths, but I'm convinced it fits the bill.
People die. She was the same age as Joe Biden. It's not exactly unheard of for people to die at that age.
Several solid examples, and you just want to whine about the sketchy one and ignore the point.
Apparently you still can't get over how wrong you were about the "safe and effective" jab. When everybody has been subjected to an experimental medication -- in many cases against their will -- and people start dying under odd circumstances, the burden of proof is on the fucking jab pushers to show evidence that it isn't due to their experiment.
And again, you want to talk about one case where people might have gotten it wrong and ignore the mountains of cases where they didn't.
You always argue like a leftist troll.
The fact that someone believes something absurd says it all.
Also, I contest that they are 'solid example'. Hillary isn't a serial killer. She probably has the morals of one, but if you discount all the people she killed outside the US, there is zero evidence for any of those claims.
Actually, what I said stood up rather well. But you are forgiven, you probably have no idea what I said and are just being presumptuous.
The only thing I was wrong about is that I didn't realize mRNA was unnecessary for quickly developing a vaccine, since other countries developed one just as fast, if not faster, without mRNA. So it's clear why mRNA was used.
If people make claims that the Corona-vaccine is responsible for a death of someone who did not even take it, and people who died before it was out (the first time-traveling vaccine, who went back in time along with the Russians who write Joy Reid's blog), that says everything about how seriously you should take the claims of those same people when they blame every last death on the Corona vaccine, with no evidence.
As if after people calling me far-right for a decade, I care what you think I argue like.
Why not use an accurate inverse analogy?
Though as the other guy points out Eric and Hunter are not exactly good comparisons either.
I can imagine someone saying: it would change my mind, but I'd continue supporting him.