The border situation is getting rather spicy. Abbott is carrying this a lot further than I expected him. He has the backing of 25 additional Republican governors, including even shitty ones like DeWine. How far they and the Biden admin will take this remains to be seen. It sounds like tomorrow could be a landmark day. It looks like Biden is willing to throw the 2024 election in exchange for doing as much demographic damage as possible in one term as well.
Can't they just do nothing and pipeline all of the illegals to AZ and CA? At the end of the day it doesn't matter what TX does without the other border states.
Also can someone explain to me why the illegals can't declare asylum at an official border entry point? Surely millions do every year at airports too? TX has plenty of both official entry points and airports to pick up the slack.
I think if they do that, inland red states would be able to stop the illegals from crossing into their states. They want to break Texas to dispatch the idea that the states have any say.
As many open areas between US and Mexico at least there are some natural barriers, but it is totally impossible to stop them once in CA or AZ. Red states would have to checkpoint everywhere.
Illegals don't just wander around though. They get transported by the Feds or NGOs, and I'm not just talking about Abbott and other Republicans busing them to blue areas to play politics. States could possibly arrest people for moving them around. It won't fully stop things because then illegals could wander in on their, but it would stop the industrialized operation.
The calls to federalize the national guard is by far the most “do you really want civil war right this second” executive order Biden could sign. A hostile attempt to federalize the national guard has never happened and Eisenhower took massive precautions to make sure he didn’t do that when he signed the executive order AFTER the governor stood them down and multiple elected officials asked for federal aid.
I’m pleasantly surprised to see Abbott pushing this. The issue needs to be forced because homeland defense is one of the legit things the government is supposed to do
Heard they are even offering free barbed wire fences to ranchers that live next to the border...
Yeah this is backfiring BADLY, the border issue was meant to demoralise in it's volume and weaken the right with the amount of illegals coming in to potentially vote too.
Instead it's actually pissing off a lot of urbanites thanks to them busing illegals there and now there is a new united front opposing the federal government. I've heard a lot of people saying that Biden must not be running to allow this to happen but I think the Democrats are so delusional they may not have any other plan.
"People, we've been getting a lot of bad imports recently. A lot of bad imports, shoddy imports. Low quality imports. Very sad! So, I have rented time on the biggest American-flagged ships, there are so few left, very sad!. We are going to send a few hundred thousand of these shoddy imports back to where they came from, in Guatemala and Mexico!"
Half of our ballistic missile boats are stationed at King's Bay, Georgia. The refit yards are at Norfolk and Newport News, Virginia. The main construction yards outside of that are in Groton, CT Biloxi, Mississippi and Mobile, Alabama. Tanks are built at Anniston, Alabama.
Who is excited to see the formation of the Second Republic?
Airbus' main factory is in Mobile, Boeing's main fit and repair shop is in Kansas, same with Textron, main auto plants (Toyota, Ford, Chevy) are now all in the South or Midwest.
Blue states, while you were studying Das Kapital, we were studying the capital...
The sole nuclear weapons factory in the U.S. is in Amarillo, TX. It would be trivial for the state to seize it. The hard part in making nukes is creating the weapons grade fissile material cores. So having a warehouse full of cores would instantly catapult Texas into the major nuclear power category.
The number of people calling for the federal government to mass murder everybody in the Texas National Guard and drone strike Greg Abbott's house under their real name with a picture of their face next to it is absolutely bonechilling. The momentum they would have if Elon hadn't spent the 44 billion and given us a single mainstream website where we can argue with them would be terrifying.
Hopefully the right has finally figured out the communists will never step down peacefully.
I'm not holding my breath, though. For Texas and the states to prevail, people have to nut up and people aren't starving enough to do what needs to be done.
For a successful rebellion/revolution/secession, you need buy-in from at least a sizable chunk of the elites (probably at least 1/3) or outside support, and preferably both. The American Revolution had both support from a decent percentage of the elites as well as support from France. During the Civil War, the South had support of the elites but never managed to gain support from the outside. They tried to gain support from the UK, but never managed it.
The French could also sail troops across the Ocean, the rest of the world doesn't have much meaningful capacity to transport armies across oceans. Doubly so with an unknown remnant of the US Navy interdicting it. Small groups of "advisors" are a different story of course, but large troop formations are a different story.
Besides the U.S., I think the countries capable of expeditionary military operations would include the UK, France, Russia, and China. Seeing the British in action in the Falklands showed that they're barely capable of expeditionary operations on their own but they did nevertheless manage it. France has deployed troops in fairly small number to Africa and does have naval vessels like the Mistral class that are helpful. Russia similarly has ships capable of moving a relatively small force around the world and did demonstrate that capability in Syria. (Although they're probably tied up right now with Ukraine.) China has also sent small numbers of troops to Africa, and at least in theory has the naval capability of moving a smallish force around the world. China has never demonstrated that capability in a large scale operationally however.
I do agree with you that even a remnant of the U.S. Navy could probably effectively screen any of the above countries from actively aiding a secessionist bloc.
In terms of motivation, I'm almost certain that the UK and France would side with Union forces. Russia would probably love to help secessionists but they're probably unable to right now. That leaves China. I think that they would probably want to help because they know that it'd mean the end of their biggest geopolitical foe. But I don't know if they're capable of it, at least not yet.
Inevitable once states began to legalize Federally illegal drugs and become "sanctuary states".
Back when I was still a shitlib with lolbert sympathies in 2014 I remember telling my shitlib friends to expect conservative states to start doing things like try to ban abortion in response to the push to "legalize" marijuana contrary to Federal law. I never would have expected the motivation to be on immigration, because Big Agriculture drew a lot of water on the right and was very much pro-open borders.
Every blue region already has cities defying federal law whenever they refuse to honor an ICE detainer. Like every other conflict in the country, they started it and pretend we did.
No doubt they have some reason why it was justified, like "the Feds were bought out by the big businesses to not apply the law like we wanted/expected!"
Not that it matters: as it is in any long-running blood feud we're all in "will to power" mode now.
The main question on my mind right now is when Biden invokes Title 32, will Major General Thomas M. Suelzer reject that invocation as an unlawful order, or will he cuck out like Adjutant General of Arkansas did for Eisenhower?
While I seriously doubt things will escalate to a full on civil war, if it does, and over illegal immigration of all things, I think we're going to see a very quick and sudden preference cascade.
Maybe not on the federal level, but I can see state level law enforcement chomping at the bit to enforce 'Fuck off, we're full' as defacto policy.
Leftists are doing this because Texas put some razor wire up in a single part of the state to slightly slow down a little of the stream of people across the border. It's not even a deportation program or building a wall or anything.
You know how forum moderators used to have insane meltdowns over being slightly challenged? Those kinds of people are in charge of major parts of companies and governments now.
Unless they're so fucking stupid that they can't handle any challenge or affront to their authority, even in the slightest way possible.
I think it's more arrogance than stupidity, but that's the main reason. Even the slightest defiance is enough to send most of these people into a blind rage.
The border situation is getting rather spicy. Abbott is carrying this a lot further than I expected him. He has the backing of 25 additional Republican governors, including even shitty ones like DeWine. How far they and the Biden admin will take this remains to be seen. It sounds like tomorrow could be a landmark day. It looks like Biden is willing to throw the 2024 election in exchange for doing as much demographic damage as possible in one term as well.
Unarchived tweet for convenient video play: https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1750618008907592130
Can't they just do nothing and pipeline all of the illegals to AZ and CA? At the end of the day it doesn't matter what TX does without the other border states.
Also can someone explain to me why the illegals can't declare asylum at an official border entry point? Surely millions do every year at airports too? TX has plenty of both official entry points and airports to pick up the slack.
I think if they do that, inland red states would be able to stop the illegals from crossing into their states. They want to break Texas to dispatch the idea that the states have any say.
As many open areas between US and Mexico at least there are some natural barriers, but it is totally impossible to stop them once in CA or AZ. Red states would have to checkpoint everywhere.
Illegals don't just wander around though. They get transported by the Feds or NGOs, and I'm not just talking about Abbott and other Republicans busing them to blue areas to play politics. States could possibly arrest people for moving them around. It won't fully stop things because then illegals could wander in on their, but it would stop the industrialized operation.
gee, wherever I seen this before in history?
you can't hide numbers if they're coming through at places that record numbers.
The calls to federalize the national guard is by far the most “do you really want civil war right this second” executive order Biden could sign. A hostile attempt to federalize the national guard has never happened and Eisenhower took massive precautions to make sure he didn’t do that when he signed the executive order AFTER the governor stood them down and multiple elected officials asked for federal aid.
I’m pleasantly surprised to see Abbott pushing this. The issue needs to be forced because homeland defense is one of the legit things the government is supposed to do
I've seen commenters in TheDonald saying that it's Paxton pressuring Abbott into this. Does that sound accurate?
Honestly it does because I'm really very pleasantly surprised with Abbott over this so maybe he is being influenced
After the acquittal Paxton is the governor in all but name at this point.
Paxton being shadow governor while keeping his role as AG sounds like the best possible timeline.
Heard they are even offering free barbed wire fences to ranchers that live next to the border...
Yeah this is backfiring BADLY, the border issue was meant to demoralise in it's volume and weaken the right with the amount of illegals coming in to potentially vote too.
Instead it's actually pissing off a lot of urbanites thanks to them busing illegals there and now there is a new united front opposing the federal government. I've heard a lot of people saying that Biden must not be running to allow this to happen but I think the Democrats are so delusional they may not have any other plan.
Trump won 2016 on build the wall. He can win 2024 on the same platform. The majority do not want this invasion.
Operation Wetback 2: More Wet More Back
"People, we've been getting a lot of bad imports recently. A lot of bad imports, shoddy imports. Low quality imports. Very sad! So, I have rented time on the biggest American-flagged ships, there are so few left, very sad!. We are going to send a few hundred thousand of these shoddy imports back to where they came from, in Guatemala and Mexico!"
Busing illegals to sanctuary cities was maybe the best political clapback ever.
Also, is Biden capable of running? Seems like there's a new video every day of him barely being able to speak sentences.
If they could get away with it they would run his corpse.
The more you tighten your grip, Biden, the more states will slip through your fingers.
All it takes is for one ballistic sub to defect and the New Confederacy of American States is a nuclear power.
Half of our ballistic missile boats are stationed at King's Bay, Georgia. The refit yards are at Norfolk and Newport News, Virginia. The main construction yards outside of that are in Groton, CT Biloxi, Mississippi and Mobile, Alabama. Tanks are built at Anniston, Alabama.
Who is excited to see the formation of the Second Republic?
The F-35 factory is in Fort Worth. Plus the Pantex nuclear weapons factory in Amarillo.
Airbus' main factory is in Mobile, Boeing's main fit and repair shop is in Kansas, same with Textron, main auto plants (Toyota, Ford, Chevy) are now all in the South or Midwest.
Blue states, while you were studying Das Kapital, we were studying the capital...
The sole nuclear weapons factory in the U.S. is in Amarillo, TX. It would be trivial for the state to seize it. The hard part in making nukes is creating the weapons grade fissile material cores. So having a warehouse full of cores would instantly catapult Texas into the major nuclear power category.
Fort Knox is also located in Kentucky.
The number of people calling for the federal government to mass murder everybody in the Texas National Guard and drone strike Greg Abbott's house under their real name with a picture of their face next to it is absolutely bonechilling. The momentum they would have if Elon hadn't spent the 44 billion and given us a single mainstream website where we can argue with them would be terrifying.
Believe your enemies.
Remember their faces and their names.
A significant part of Biden's disapproval ratings is from leftists who don't think he's ruining things fast enough.
Hopefully the right has finally figured out the communists will never step down peacefully.
I'm not holding my breath, though. For Texas and the states to prevail, people have to nut up and people aren't starving enough to do what needs to be done.
For a successful rebellion/revolution/secession, you need buy-in from at least a sizable chunk of the elites (probably at least 1/3) or outside support, and preferably both. The American Revolution had both support from a decent percentage of the elites as well as support from France. During the Civil War, the South had support of the elites but never managed to gain support from the outside. They tried to gain support from the UK, but never managed it.
The French could also sail troops across the Ocean, the rest of the world doesn't have much meaningful capacity to transport armies across oceans. Doubly so with an unknown remnant of the US Navy interdicting it. Small groups of "advisors" are a different story of course, but large troop formations are a different story.
Besides the U.S., I think the countries capable of expeditionary military operations would include the UK, France, Russia, and China. Seeing the British in action in the Falklands showed that they're barely capable of expeditionary operations on their own but they did nevertheless manage it. France has deployed troops in fairly small number to Africa and does have naval vessels like the Mistral class that are helpful. Russia similarly has ships capable of moving a relatively small force around the world and did demonstrate that capability in Syria. (Although they're probably tied up right now with Ukraine.) China has also sent small numbers of troops to Africa, and at least in theory has the naval capability of moving a smallish force around the world. China has never demonstrated that capability in a large scale operationally however.
I do agree with you that even a remnant of the U.S. Navy could probably effectively screen any of the above countries from actively aiding a secessionist bloc.
In terms of motivation, I'm almost certain that the UK and France would side with Union forces. Russia would probably love to help secessionists but they're probably unable to right now. That leaves China. I think that they would probably want to help because they know that it'd mean the end of their biggest geopolitical foe. But I don't know if they're capable of it, at least not yet.
If Joe Pedo federalizes the Texas National Guard Abbot should call up the Texas State Guard. The latter answers to the governor and only the governor.
Inevitable once states began to legalize Federally illegal drugs and become "sanctuary states".
Back when I was still a shitlib with lolbert sympathies in 2014 I remember telling my shitlib friends to expect conservative states to start doing things like try to ban abortion in response to the push to "legalize" marijuana contrary to Federal law. I never would have expected the motivation to be on immigration, because Big Agriculture drew a lot of water on the right and was very much pro-open borders.
Every blue region already has cities defying federal law whenever they refuse to honor an ICE detainer. Like every other conflict in the country, they started it and pretend we did.
No doubt they have some reason why it was justified, like "the Feds were bought out by the big businesses to not apply the law like we wanted/expected!"
Not that it matters: as it is in any long-running blood feud we're all in "will to power" mode now.
Send Texas's illegals to ANY state that doesn't support Texas closing the borders
The main question on my mind right now is when Biden invokes Title 32, will Major General Thomas M. Suelzer reject that invocation as an unlawful order, or will he cuck out like Adjutant General of Arkansas did for Eisenhower?
While I seriously doubt things will escalate to a full on civil war, if it does, and over illegal immigration of all things, I think we're going to see a very quick and sudden preference cascade.
Maybe not on the federal level, but I can see state level law enforcement chomping at the bit to enforce 'Fuck off, we're full' as defacto policy.
Leftists are doing this because Texas put some razor wire up in a single part of the state to slightly slow down a little of the stream of people across the border. It's not even a deportation program or building a wall or anything.
Yeah. Which makes me confused as to why Biden and company made such a big fucking deal over it.
Unless they're so fucking stupid that they can't handle any challenge or affront to their authority, even in the slightest way possible.
White replacement is the cornerstone of the globalist agenda. The tiniest pushback on that is a fundamental rejection of the whole thing.
You know how forum moderators used to have insane meltdowns over being slightly challenged? Those kinds of people are in charge of major parts of companies and governments now.
If they lose on this issue there will be blood in the water. People will fight back on many other fronts.
I think it's more arrogance than stupidity, but that's the main reason. Even the slightest defiance is enough to send most of these people into a blind rage.
Champing!