That's a bandaid fix that doesn't scale well. White Nationalists need to achieve some measure of political power for white Americans to have any hope of a viable future.
You need a place to actually give birth, and your wife will probably need medicine, safety, and a more sterile environment that your fucking basement. You need to get a midwife at absolute minimum.
Or, you could just risk having a dead wife and dead kids.
Not to mention the implications of being an "unperson" unless you're black and can lie about being a "refugee" from BongoBongoLand.
Oh, and hanging around or being in possession of a child for which you have NO paperwork. Again, that's only unquestioned if you claim to be from BongoBongoLand.
You can be an illegal of any variety. You can get around the SSN in the US, it's just that most people don't. You'll still probably have to register, and it will be a problem having a proper career. Unpersoning is the correct problem.
I didn't have an SSN until I was around 10 or so. Not like I was seeking employment at that age but my parents had no issues. Mind you, I am of the millennial generation so it was a Different Time™.
The only issues I have from this is that the state I was born in is not any where near the state and region that issued my SSN. That plus having a very common name makes background checks a pain.
A lot of that shit is way overrated. Midwife, yes, get a midwife.
I was born at home, as were my siblings, and I know others who were too.
As to not registering...not touching that, that's up to the individual, but seems a bit (yeah, just a tiny bit) sketchy.
You have to remember that a lot of modern medicine is propped up on propaganda and narrative. Not saying it's useless, but there's a huge and orchestrated push to make people dependent on it, for both control and profit. Sometimes it is useless, and sometimes it goes beyond that to deadly...but other times it's lifesaving. People just need to keep that in mind when making their decisions.
The problem with not registering is that you'll basically have to register one way or another. You'll certainly have to pay tax. And, unfortunately, if you don't apply for SS, they'll still take it from your paycheck. I don't like it, but blame "The Greatest Generation" for believing in Roosevelt's Democratic Socialism.
I'm sure plenty of people can be born in places that are not hospitals, but it's always sub-optimal to birth a child that doesn't have ready access to medical equipment. Honestly, if you've got nothing, you'll still want to call an ambulance just in case something goes totally sideways. I know it's not normal for women to die in child birth, but it was exceedingly common for that to be the type of death that killed women. Really, it's best not to take chances.
Beyond a surprise circumcision, there's little the hospitals actually going to do to hurt your kid without your permission. They're very unlikely to hurt the mother intentionally.
It's honestly a little weird how fucking good they are at c-sections. It's kind of a factory procedure at this point. Docs and nurses will be kind of annoyed if you don't want one because it takes so much longer.
The problem with not registering is that you'll basically have to register one way or another.
One of the reasons I said it was "a tiny bit sketchy." I'm certainly not saying it's a good idea.
I know it's not normal for women to die in child birth, but it was exceedingly common for that to be the type of death that killed women.
Not only has medicine improved, but knowledge has as well. It's safer than ever to do a homebirth.
Heck, I just looked it up (this was just the first study I found, not claiming it's indicative or inclusive of reality), home births had lower mortality than hospital births in normal circumstances, but if surgery was required that of course flips. But if you're relatively confident of a smooth birth, you're potentially (I do stress potentially) better off with a home birth. If you have any sort of risk factors you want to stronger consider a hospital though, at the very least.
Now, full disclaimer, there's plenty of adjustments you could make to that, like the people having homebirths are probably significantly healthier than average. Who knows what the number would look like if you took the landwhales and the like out of the equation, for example.
Beyond a surprise circumcision, there's little the hospitals actually going to do to hurt your kid without your permission. They're very unlikely to hurt the mother intentionally.
I'd argue a hospital, with all the infections roaming around, is a very bad place for a baby to be in general. If you get checkups before hand, and know things are healthy, I think a homebirth is fine. I'm not saying it's for everyone, I'm not telling anyone that's what they should do, but I think the idea that it's not feasible, or quite risky, is outdated.
It's honestly a little weird how fucking good they are at c-sections. It's kind of a factory procedure at this point. Docs and nurses will be kind of annoyed if you don't want one because it takes so much longer.
I don't view that as a good thing, personally. In fact I view it as somewhat anti-human. Birth is one of the core components of life, I don't think that process should be done away with for convenience, no matter how skilled they've gotten at it. Who knows what that does to the mother/child bond, too (another study I should look up later.) All sorts of chemicals are released during birth, cutting that process short could be bad for the child or mother. Also, there's always been a distinction between natural birth and C-section or the like. Not claiming it's a medical source, but Macbeth springs to mind. "From his mother's womb untimely ripped," and all that. Which always in turn reminds me of the Reduced Shakespeare bit.
These rules get bent for muh poor undocumented immigrants, of course, but I suspect that if an actual white Westerner revealed his lack of an SSN, he would not be met with the same understanding, but with fines, audits, and jail time.
Not necessarily.
The Act that established Social Security doesn't make it mandatory. There is no reason you have to get an SSN. The problem is that it is effectively impossible to get even middle-class employment without an SSN or some other form of state registration. There is no crime or fine related to it.
However, your wages will still be garnished for Social Security. And if you don't get an SSN, you can't ever receive SS benefits, even if you have other forms of government ID. The later you get your SSN, the later your benefits become, which means the less you will pay out.
It's a shitty ponzi scheme which means you have no other choice but to participate in it if you ever want to see funds from it; but there's no crimes associated with not getting one.
Does anyone see something similar happening in the U.S. where they ban homeschooling? Or at least they try? Didn’t Marx list government education as a pillar of communism or something?
Absolutely. They have already talked about in a few articles. They will probably wait until the white share of the population decreases much further first though.
We have public education, but we never merged private education in with public education like they did in Europe. The Ivy League here are all private, and even a lot of Leftist shitholes like Oberlin College are private.
Homeschooling is an extension of private education, and the right are making gains in that area which haven't existed for a long time.
I’ve seen homeschooling numbers shooting up which is good but it does beg the question why should you pay into the public school system if you took your kids out?
The same argument applies to pretty much any childless homeowner (including gay couples and old people, neither of which are gonna breed) and the argument never flies because they make it a "good for the species" argument that everyone pays into (a/the) public school system via property tax.
They shrieked like stuck pigs because vouchers are near literally 'voting with your feet'.
And while the school system is rotten and political as fuck, they do notice some things. And if they get a school where a bunch of parents are having their kids flee like rats on a sinking ship, they start asking awkward questions.
And as much as the oh-so-holier-than-thou teachers like to start bleating on about 'muh school funding', the real answers basically boil down to 'some of those kids are dumb as fuck.'
The flip side, though, is that most of those teachers are dumb as fuck and can barely be relied on to do the admin portion of thier fucking job, nevermind the teaching side of things.
The teachers know it, the admins know it, the higher ups likely know it, but they don't want to know it, if you catch my meaning.
I don't know, I think there's some merit to the notion that an educated populace has benefits for everyone. Basically by investing in the development of kids(even if you don't have any yourself) you're setting the populace up so that the up and coming generation will be capable enough to keep everything running smoothly which will benefit you. Little Timmy down the street grows up to be the engineer who knows how to keep the electric grid properly balanced and operational so you don't end up living in the dark ages. That's the theory on paper anyway, even if that's not what the educational system is in actuality.
They've been trying for years. They want to at the very least make it as hard and impractical as they can to homeschool, or even charter school...or even pick a school.
And, funny thing is, Marx listed a shit ton of stuff they've implemented, or tried to implement, as pillars of his dream. Including, wait for it...central state banking and fiat currency. A lot of the things communists bitch about and blame capitalism for, were straight out of Marx. He thought only the government should have real money, for international trading, and the money the people use should be intentionally robbed of value. We're living in Marx's moneyless society.
I’ve tried to explain this to people and they just laughed me off. My brother has come around though. He used to call me a Ron Paul but when I would rant against the Fed. Now he agrees
There are states that make it particularly onerous to educate your children. Looking over your shoulder, forcing curriculum or testing on you. All they have to do is make it impossible and get it past the Supreme Court. They might be able to ban private schools at the same time in the same way.
They will if they matter to the state. Could be gays or rich.
This is how this works. Being white isn't the problem. Most of the oligarchs are white, they don't really care about race. They care that this family defied home-schooling directives. That's why they have to be deported: they threatened the state.
To answer your question though, generally Slavs (and most of non-British Europe) were not considered white but "swarthy". Particularly those close to the Mediterranean.
Another reminder that globally white people are the minority.
A hated minority by all accounts.
Birth your child at home. Never register your child with the government. Passports are overrated. Illegal immigrants don't need them. Neither do you.
That's a bandaid fix that doesn't scale well. White Nationalists need to achieve some measure of political power for white Americans to have any hope of a viable future.
That is very stupid, and wildly dangerous.
You need a place to actually give birth, and your wife will probably need medicine, safety, and a more sterile environment that your fucking basement. You need to get a midwife at absolute minimum.
Or, you could just risk having a dead wife and dead kids.
Not to mention the implications of being an "unperson" unless you're black and can lie about being a "refugee" from BongoBongoLand.
Oh, and hanging around or being in possession of a child for which you have NO paperwork. Again, that's only unquestioned if you claim to be from BongoBongoLand.
You can be an illegal of any variety. You can get around the SSN in the US, it's just that most people don't. You'll still probably have to register, and it will be a problem having a proper career. Unpersoning is the correct problem.
I didn't have an SSN until I was around 10 or so. Not like I was seeking employment at that age but my parents had no issues. Mind you, I am of the millennial generation so it was a Different Time™.
The only issues I have from this is that the state I was born in is not any where near the state and region that issued my SSN. That plus having a very common name makes background checks a pain.
A moderate bleed and she's dead before the ambulance arrives. A severe one and she's dead before you get done telling 911 where to go.
A hospital is the only proper place to give birth.
Women can survive a home birth, but there's no reason to recommend it.
I'm fairly certain there are plenty of clinics that can assist in child birth, but you simply can't remove a hospital from the list of options.
If something goes wrong.
Every single person in history was birthed in other places than hospitals untill very recently.
And the mortality rate for mother and child reflected that throughout human history.
...you must know about Semmelweis, right?
I'm shit at names, but once refreshed yes I know his contribution, and how he ended up poor bastard.
A lot of that shit is way overrated. Midwife, yes, get a midwife.
I was born at home, as were my siblings, and I know others who were too.
As to not registering...not touching that, that's up to the individual, but seems a bit (yeah, just a tiny bit) sketchy.
You have to remember that a lot of modern medicine is propped up on propaganda and narrative. Not saying it's useless, but there's a huge and orchestrated push to make people dependent on it, for both control and profit. Sometimes it is useless, and sometimes it goes beyond that to deadly...but other times it's lifesaving. People just need to keep that in mind when making their decisions.
The problem with not registering is that you'll basically have to register one way or another. You'll certainly have to pay tax. And, unfortunately, if you don't apply for SS, they'll still take it from your paycheck. I don't like it, but blame "The Greatest Generation" for believing in Roosevelt's Democratic Socialism.
I'm sure plenty of people can be born in places that are not hospitals, but it's always sub-optimal to birth a child that doesn't have ready access to medical equipment. Honestly, if you've got nothing, you'll still want to call an ambulance just in case something goes totally sideways. I know it's not normal for women to die in child birth, but it was exceedingly common for that to be the type of death that killed women. Really, it's best not to take chances.
Beyond a surprise circumcision, there's little the hospitals actually going to do to hurt your kid without your permission. They're very unlikely to hurt the mother intentionally.
It's honestly a little weird how fucking good they are at c-sections. It's kind of a factory procedure at this point. Docs and nurses will be kind of annoyed if you don't want one because it takes so much longer.
One of the reasons I said it was "a tiny bit sketchy." I'm certainly not saying it's a good idea.
Not only has medicine improved, but knowledge has as well. It's safer than ever to do a homebirth.
Heck, I just looked it up (this was just the first study I found, not claiming it's indicative or inclusive of reality), home births had lower mortality than hospital births in normal circumstances, but if surgery was required that of course flips. But if you're relatively confident of a smooth birth, you're potentially (I do stress potentially) better off with a home birth. If you have any sort of risk factors you want to stronger consider a hospital though, at the very least.
Now, full disclaimer, there's plenty of adjustments you could make to that, like the people having homebirths are probably significantly healthier than average. Who knows what the number would look like if you took the landwhales and the like out of the equation, for example.
I'd argue a hospital, with all the infections roaming around, is a very bad place for a baby to be in general. If you get checkups before hand, and know things are healthy, I think a homebirth is fine. I'm not saying it's for everyone, I'm not telling anyone that's what they should do, but I think the idea that it's not feasible, or quite risky, is outdated.
I don't view that as a good thing, personally. In fact I view it as somewhat anti-human. Birth is one of the core components of life, I don't think that process should be done away with for convenience, no matter how skilled they've gotten at it. Who knows what that does to the mother/child bond, too (another study I should look up later.) All sorts of chemicals are released during birth, cutting that process short could be bad for the child or mother. Also, there's always been a distinction between natural birth and C-section or the like. Not claiming it's a medical source, but Macbeth springs to mind. "From his mother's womb untimely ripped," and all that. Which always in turn reminds me of the Reduced Shakespeare bit.
Midwife is better than hospital unless you need emergency surgery.
Sure, but don't just do it alone and hope for the best, there's a reason why one of the primary forms of death for women was "child birth".
Passports are over-rated. But, you will probably need them for international travel one way or another.
Not necessarily.
The Act that established Social Security doesn't make it mandatory. There is no reason you have to get an SSN. The problem is that it is effectively impossible to get even middle-class employment without an SSN or some other form of state registration. There is no crime or fine related to it.
However, your wages will still be garnished for Social Security. And if you don't get an SSN, you can't ever receive SS benefits, even if you have other forms of government ID. The later you get your SSN, the later your benefits become, which means the less you will pay out.
It's a shitty ponzi scheme which means you have no other choice but to participate in it if you ever want to see funds from it; but there's no crimes associated with not getting one.
Does anyone see something similar happening in the U.S. where they ban homeschooling? Or at least they try? Didn’t Marx list government education as a pillar of communism or something?
Absolutely. They have already talked about in a few articles. They will probably wait until the white share of the population decreases much further first though.
Reminder that the White population decreased for the first time since America's founding this last decade.
Try? Yes.
Succeed? No.
We have public education, but we never merged private education in with public education like they did in Europe. The Ivy League here are all private, and even a lot of Leftist shitholes like Oberlin College are private.
Homeschooling is an extension of private education, and the right are making gains in that area which haven't existed for a long time.
I’ve seen homeschooling numbers shooting up which is good but it does beg the question why should you pay into the public school system if you took your kids out?
That is the correct question.
The same argument applies to pretty much any childless homeowner (including gay couples and old people, neither of which are gonna breed) and the argument never flies because they make it a "good for the species" argument that everyone pays into (a/the) public school system via property tax.
You are right though. They get hostile if you bring that up
Teachers' Unions especially. They know where the cash comes from.
It's why vouchers were so vociferously attacked.
They shrieked like stuck pigs because vouchers are near literally 'voting with your feet'.
And while the school system is rotten and political as fuck, they do notice some things. And if they get a school where a bunch of parents are having their kids flee like rats on a sinking ship, they start asking awkward questions.
And as much as the oh-so-holier-than-thou teachers like to start bleating on about 'muh school funding', the real answers basically boil down to 'some of those kids are dumb as fuck.'
The flip side, though, is that most of those teachers are dumb as fuck and can barely be relied on to do the admin portion of thier fucking job, nevermind the teaching side of things.
The teachers know it, the admins know it, the higher ups likely know it, but they don't want to know it, if you catch my meaning.
Yea I was originally surprised to see the hatred of vouchers until I saw the group opposing them
I don't know, I think there's some merit to the notion that an educated populace has benefits for everyone. Basically by investing in the development of kids(even if you don't have any yourself) you're setting the populace up so that the up and coming generation will be capable enough to keep everything running smoothly which will benefit you. Little Timmy down the street grows up to be the engineer who knows how to keep the electric grid properly balanced and operational so you don't end up living in the dark ages. That's the theory on paper anyway, even if that's not what the educational system is in actuality.
Once you start letting people opt out of taxes they don't use, then welfare and its similar cousins will drop to pennies as well.
Which will then be called racism by the whites to steal money from the blacks again.
They've been trying for years. They want to at the very least make it as hard and impractical as they can to homeschool, or even charter school...or even pick a school.
And, funny thing is, Marx listed a shit ton of stuff they've implemented, or tried to implement, as pillars of his dream. Including, wait for it...central state banking and fiat currency. A lot of the things communists bitch about and blame capitalism for, were straight out of Marx. He thought only the government should have real money, for international trading, and the money the people use should be intentionally robbed of value. We're living in Marx's moneyless society.
I’ve tried to explain this to people and they just laughed me off. My brother has come around though. He used to call me a Ron Paul but when I would rant against the Fed. Now he agrees
Maybe he should consider Ron Paulogizing to you for his previous behavior.
:3
I’m gonna tell him that lol
There are states that make it particularly onerous to educate your children. Looking over your shoulder, forcing curriculum or testing on you. All they have to do is make it impossible and get it past the Supreme Court. They might be able to ban private schools at the same time in the same way.
Uwe is pronounced Oof with a V sound at the end.
Like l, " Oh look Uwe another one coming."
Ukrainians are accepted as refugees, or are we saying that Ukrainians aren't white?
They’re only accepted because the west wants to manufacture a pointless war on Putin.
But ignoring Ukraine - white people aren’t accepted as refugees
They will if they matter to the state. Could be gays or rich.
This is how this works. Being white isn't the problem. Most of the oligarchs are white, they don't really care about race. They care that this family defied home-schooling directives. That's why they have to be deported: they threatened the state.
Belarus as well. I know a few who have gotten it.
To answer your question though, generally Slavs (and most of non-British Europe) were not considered white but "swarthy". Particularly those close to the Mediterranean.
"after 15 years"
Aren't the kids too old for school now? what exactly will happen to the presumably at least 19 year old Adults now?