I remember when I learned about environmentalism as a kid. They took us to the levee and taught us about erosion and showed the line where the coast was over the years until we saw where it was now. Informative and direct, as the levee was maybe 45 minutes from where we lived instead of a vague "the world will flood/melt/die."
Then the made our entire class fucking work on the levee in the blazing hot swamp heat. Had us haul christmas trees, plant them, and do a lot of other grunt work. It was clearly just a defensive measure to maybe slow down the erosion, but it was a necessary effort.
It was a task so simple that a bunch of 10 year olds were capable of doing it, yet I bet 98% of people whining about the climate and the environment wouldn't even bother to do it. Better to scare people into giving money, maybe take a vacation where you scrub oil off ducks and take selfies for a few days. No hard work.
The most effort modern ones will take is to do zero work on their property and say the overgrown mess is a natural habitat for bees or something. I mean if you really cared, some well placed shade trees (could even get fruit ones), a vegetable garden, and some beehives would do worlds more difference than your dumb lazy nature yard.
Hell I know one with a pecan tree and they don't even gather them. Like they are free you idiot. I actually used to take a walk at work every day where there were pecan trees and pick them up off the ground. More than I'd ever want for almost zero effort.
I used to want an electric car, hell if 2020 hadn't happened I might have sold my second car and bought one. Really glad I didn't. I've turned and run from electric cars. I don't want one at all even though I totally expect them to get forced. I'm even getting sick of literally everything that still runs on gas having a turbo now. Right now want to get my hands on something with a V8 or maybe a Porsche at the bottom of it's depreciation. New cars are too concerned with sucking all the fun out of cars.
Electric is being pushed really hard. Every car commercial or tech video on cars has involved some kind of electrical motor system. I just saw a video of an electric delivery van with over 2000 HP go against an F1 car. It was promoted by Red Bull.
Drag race is a bad use case for F1 cars too. They typically only have to do a launch once per race. Start going around corners, and an F1 car will run away from everything out there by huge gaps.
Except I don't think it's going to actually save anyone money. If it were going to it might actually be good. Instead they're paperclip maximizing because it helps the MBAs hit some metric some other MBAs assigned to them because it was "trendy" to do so.
I used to want one because in many ways they're much simpler than a gasoline car. But between the inevitable forced obsolescence that comes with replacing batteries and Our Betters wanting to have some way of controlling where and when we can drive, I think my current plan will be to try to keep my current car and truck running as long as I can.
My main fear in that regard is that gasoline eventually becomes a specialty item in a way I don't see happening to diesel.
Diesel is used too much commercially to be phased out. No battery is going power a cargo ship and the US government has intentionally regulated nuclear into the ground to the point that there are no US nuclear powered commercial cargo ships even though one was successfully used from 1962-1972 after Eisenhower commissioned the project.
I would be wary of nuclear commercial cargo ships too, if they're going to be manned by third-worlders and sailing past Somalia without authority to shoot every pirate stupid enough to lay eyes upon them.
Well that would require actually having a second amendment again. Commercial ships were expressly allowed to arm against pirates and hostile actors for most of US history.
The NS Savannah wasn't even a cargo ship, technically - it was classified as a merchant ship, and was basically a cargo/cruise ship combination.
One big propaganda barge, basically.
Still, the engineering they put into the thing was hella cool. But it basically failed commercially - weirdly enough, some nations have issues with nuclear power plants rocking into their port cities. Wonder why...
some nations have issues with nuclear power plants rocking into their port cities. Wonder why...
Because they’re morons who bought anti nuclear propaganda much like you 😂. Especially considering that all those same ports have had far larger nuclear reactors rocking in port in the form of aircraft carriers
Civilian operated nuclear powered ships are far more likely to be targets of opportunity than ones protected by feet of steel and thousands of military personnel
You gotta think about it in current terms and think not from your own biases but the mindset of the enemies. If you were johnny jihad today and a nuclear powered cargo ship was in new york, would you consider that a hard or soft target?
If you understand these things you will undersrand why volatile poisonous reactors are not a good thing to leave in the hands of chucklefuck corpos who pay bare minimum for security.
See what I liked from that era while I'm sure a lot was not viable or propaganda, it was still effort to do cool things. Nuclear cargo ship, turbine car, going to the moon. Now they'd rather launder money for effort into corruption pockets while screaming about race.
Hell, there was an idea being floated around for a multi-national nuclear-powered airship moving around as a type of floating 'world convention' or some such.
...look, yeah, I know that airships had issues and whatnot, but goddammit, I would have loved to fly on the Graf Zepplin or Hindenburg just once.
Ooo yeah I forgot about those. One big disaster and they disappear forever. I hate how everything has devolved to herding as many sardine people into a metal tube to be miserable for however long. It seems I'm the minority though, as pretty much every study shows most people will be treated like dogshit for however long to save a buck.
Right, which is why if you worry about the long-term continued availability of fuel for non-electric vehicles, diesel is probably a better bet than gasoline.
I hardly argue on moral grounds since that is (alarmingly) becoming less and less effective for anything that doesn't involve children so you have a shot infusing the EV push with child exploitation and labour.
I just argue EV is not effective without expansive nuclear power to begin with to shut them up quick. Longer term, EV is a dead end compared to hydrogen power sources and we should more focus on that and nuclear fusion technology. The former being extremely close to being large scale feasible and the latter being still far off.
Unfortunately the left and the right have reduced the effectiveness of moral arguments
The left by being such degenerates that the chaos gods would wall up the warp and say 'we ain't accepting these tainted souls!'
The right by solely relying on moral arguments either to support acts to grab more power like patriot act and the like or not backing it up with a coherent argument afterwards.
Children and pets are the only ones that seem immune to this so far as if you don't accept those you're already at a sociopath level.
Your options are to accept child labour, never use anything that can be found in the natural resource rich third world, or just recolonise the fucking place.
I guess we better give up chocolate and clothing and all electronics too then? Or maybe we could be adults and recognize labor conditions as a problem separate from the item being produced.
I remember when I learned about environmentalism as a kid. They took us to the levee and taught us about erosion and showed the line where the coast was over the years until we saw where it was now. Informative and direct, as the levee was maybe 45 minutes from where we lived instead of a vague "the world will flood/melt/die."
Then the made our entire class fucking work on the levee in the blazing hot swamp heat. Had us haul christmas trees, plant them, and do a lot of other grunt work. It was clearly just a defensive measure to maybe slow down the erosion, but it was a necessary effort.
It was a task so simple that a bunch of 10 year olds were capable of doing it, yet I bet 98% of people whining about the climate and the environment wouldn't even bother to do it. Better to scare people into giving money, maybe take a vacation where you scrub oil off ducks and take selfies for a few days. No hard work.
The most effort modern ones will take is to do zero work on their property and say the overgrown mess is a natural habitat for bees or something. I mean if you really cared, some well placed shade trees (could even get fruit ones), a vegetable garden, and some beehives would do worlds more difference than your dumb lazy nature yard.
Hell I know one with a pecan tree and they don't even gather them. Like they are free you idiot. I actually used to take a walk at work every day where there were pecan trees and pick them up off the ground. More than I'd ever want for almost zero effort.
I used to want an electric car, hell if 2020 hadn't happened I might have sold my second car and bought one. Really glad I didn't. I've turned and run from electric cars. I don't want one at all even though I totally expect them to get forced. I'm even getting sick of literally everything that still runs on gas having a turbo now. Right now want to get my hands on something with a V8 or maybe a Porsche at the bottom of it's depreciation. New cars are too concerned with sucking all the fun out of cars.
Electric is being pushed really hard. Every car commercial or tech video on cars has involved some kind of electrical motor system. I just saw a video of an electric delivery van with over 2000 HP go against an F1 car. It was promoted by Red Bull.
Found it
https://youtu.be/ADs8tvU2xDc
I don't doubt it. They need an ad that shows their van is overpowered. Niggling with reality helps them do that.
Drag race is a bad use case for F1 cars too. They typically only have to do a launch once per race. Start going around corners, and an F1 car will run away from everything out there by huge gaps.
You can tell this was done by an American, because even the slightest curve has them slowing down. A drag race is all they think about.
Modern environmentalism has become an engine for various paperclip maximization projects, like CO2 reduction and the electrification of everything.
That's large organizations for you. If it saves 3 cents per person it saves millions and inconveniences everyone.
Except I don't think it's going to actually save anyone money. If it were going to it might actually be good. Instead they're paperclip maximizing because it helps the MBAs hit some metric some other MBAs assigned to them because it was "trendy" to do so.
It only needs to look good for a quarter.
I used to want one because in many ways they're much simpler than a gasoline car. But between the inevitable forced obsolescence that comes with replacing batteries and Our Betters wanting to have some way of controlling where and when we can drive, I think my current plan will be to try to keep my current car and truck running as long as I can.
My main fear in that regard is that gasoline eventually becomes a specialty item in a way I don't see happening to diesel.
Diesel is used too much commercially to be phased out. No battery is going power a cargo ship and the US government has intentionally regulated nuclear into the ground to the point that there are no US nuclear powered commercial cargo ships even though one was successfully used from 1962-1972 after Eisenhower commissioned the project.
I would be wary of nuclear commercial cargo ships too, if they're going to be manned by third-worlders and sailing past Somalia without authority to shoot every pirate stupid enough to lay eyes upon them.
Well that would require actually having a second amendment again. Commercial ships were expressly allowed to arm against pirates and hostile actors for most of US history.
The NS Savannah wasn't even a cargo ship, technically - it was classified as a merchant ship, and was basically a cargo/cruise ship combination.
One big propaganda barge, basically.
Still, the engineering they put into the thing was hella cool. But it basically failed commercially - weirdly enough, some nations have issues with nuclear power plants rocking into their port cities. Wonder why...
Because they’re morons who bought anti nuclear propaganda much like you 😂. Especially considering that all those same ports have had far larger nuclear reactors rocking in port in the form of aircraft carriers
Civilian operated nuclear powered ships are far more likely to be targets of opportunity than ones protected by feet of steel and thousands of military personnel
No not really, nuclear aircraft carriers get fucked with constantly and the nuclear powered civilian ships never had such issues.
You gotta think about it in current terms and think not from your own biases but the mindset of the enemies. If you were johnny jihad today and a nuclear powered cargo ship was in new york, would you consider that a hard or soft target?
If you understand these things you will undersrand why volatile poisonous reactors are not a good thing to leave in the hands of chucklefuck corpos who pay bare minimum for security.
Hold the fuck up - yeah, no, you gotta be looking for someone else if you think I'm anti-nuclear.
You're not wrong about the propaganda, though.
See what I liked from that era while I'm sure a lot was not viable or propaganda, it was still effort to do cool things. Nuclear cargo ship, turbine car, going to the moon. Now they'd rather launder money for effort into corruption pockets while screaming about race.
Airships.
Hell, there was an idea being floated around for a multi-national nuclear-powered airship moving around as a type of floating 'world convention' or some such.
...look, yeah, I know that airships had issues and whatnot, but goddammit, I would have loved to fly on the Graf Zepplin or Hindenburg just once.
Ooo yeah I forgot about those. One big disaster and they disappear forever. I hate how everything has devolved to herding as many sardine people into a metal tube to be miserable for however long. It seems I'm the minority though, as pretty much every study shows most people will be treated like dogshit for however long to save a buck.
they took it from us because it was too effective.
Right, which is why if you worry about the long-term continued availability of fuel for non-electric vehicles, diesel is probably a better bet than gasoline.
"artisanal miners"?
the fuck is this hipster crap?
fagspeak for manual laborers.
Artist Anal Miners?
I hardly argue on moral grounds since that is (alarmingly) becoming less and less effective for anything that doesn't involve children so you have a shot infusing the EV push with child exploitation and labour.
I just argue EV is not effective without expansive nuclear power to begin with to shut them up quick. Longer term, EV is a dead end compared to hydrogen power sources and we should more focus on that and nuclear fusion technology. The former being extremely close to being large scale feasible and the latter being still far off.
Unfortunately the left and the right have reduced the effectiveness of moral arguments
The left by being such degenerates that the chaos gods would wall up the warp and say 'we ain't accepting these tainted souls!'
The right by solely relying on moral arguments either to support acts to grab more power like patriot act and the like or not backing it up with a coherent argument afterwards.
Children and pets are the only ones that seem immune to this so far as if you don't accept those you're already at a sociopath level.
Your options are to accept child labour, never use anything that can be found in the natural resource rich third world, or just recolonise the fucking place.
Recolonizing the Congo would be great, except that they'd never do it because it would cost too much and not benefit the ruling classes enough.
I guess we better give up chocolate and clothing and all electronics too then? Or maybe we could be adults and recognize labor conditions as a problem separate from the item being produced.