"If a woman has the strength to bear a child, she can swing a sword as well as any man" is one of the worst nonsense analogies I've ever heard. It doesn't even make sense within its own internal logic. Either it's conflating strength of will with strength of body, or it's saying that pelvic floor strength equates to arm strength. Either way you'd have to be borderline retarded to think it makes sense.
I'm only a little younger than you are, and like you I've witnessed the rise in whereareallthegoodmen types over the last decade or so. Men are getting red pilled at unsustainable rates from a civilizational perspective.
I've always said that if women had even 1% of the difficulty that men do in dating the feminists would have the government regulating the dating market. I don't see state mandated husbands becoming a thing though, because for once female hypergamy will be our saving grace. The juice just isn't worth the squeeze for a cat lady to enslave Joe Shmoe working the $15/hr job at Walmart that DIE policies have condemned him to. I think it's more likely that we'll see a continuation of the trend of soft polygyny, with women sharing the top men and polyamorous cuck harems appearing at the extreme lower end of the SMV scale.
The fundamental problem is that there aren't enough well to do men to go around, and the ones that exist aren't going to be supporting more than one woman, especially not 35+ feminist cat ladies. I suppose those guys could be enslaved, but I don't see that happening because unlike bottom 80% men those guys are actually valued by society. The real trick is to hide any wealth that you do have so you don't attract gold diggers.
That's one major concern I have about graduating with my masters. I've already been sized up for betabuxxing once, and while it was good practice in staving that off it's not an experience I want to repeat.
AKHSCHAWULLEY, a proper sword swing in most styles involves the entire body, from a good stance to a good core to good edge alignment. It is indeed possible to inflict great harm with a sword by swinging with just the arm, especially with blade heavy weapons like calvary sabers. However, much like a good punch or even golf swing, the better cut will always come with the activation of the entire body.
This doesn't make the analogy any less shit though.
that's the point of the sword, or any weapon really. Weapons are a force multiplier that works to even the playing field between the strong and the weak. the more advanced the weapon is, the more even the playing field.
You don't need to be very strong to use a sword effectively.
you don't need to be a strongman to use a sword, but it still requires certain strength and endurance to wield it effectively. have you ever actually swing around a sword in "combat"? it's highly exhausting, most sword matches end in 5 minutes or less, usually 3, and do require upper body strength to hold the guards and perform cuts.
a woman will likely win against a man without a sword just by extra reach, but will lose 8/10 times when facing a man with a sword even if they have equal expertise and similar body size. that was the point.
even when you use guns, women will lose on accuracy because most of them have too low upper body strength to steadily hold the weapon or handle the kickback. force multiplier doesn't matter much if the other side also has the same weapon but is naturally advantaged in physical strength, endurance and spatial reasoning. it only works at point blank range and the other side was caught by surprise. within 21 feet, a determined man with no gun might still be able to grab the gun from a panicking woman.
one can argue even at the high tech level of using remote drones, men will still beat women using the same weapon, just look at esports, women still lose to men even if the activity only involved keyboard and mouse with minimal physical movements.
what's left? pushing a button to fire missiles in a secured bonker?
there's a reason why every competition is separated by sex, it's certainly not to the benefits of men.
have you ever actually swing around a sword in "combat"?
Yes. I fence HEMA, and I have practice cutting with several sharp swords that I own. I also participate in a semi-local LARP group that uses steel weapons. I have also been a judge at a few HEMA events.
When it comes to unarmored fencing, strength is hardly a factor. Once the basic muscles are developed, Endurance and Finesse are the name of the game, even in longsword. Based on my experience, a sword fight will not last long unless two very skilled opponents are fighting each other. A match between two rookies is likely to end in both being severely wounded or dead, and a match between intermediates will be more aggressive and suicidal than a match between experts. 2 to 5 minutes is pretty long for a sword fight.
While it may be true that men on average are stronger than women, the two populations intersect significantly. I have personally met and fenced good bouts with women who are more than capable of holding and swinging a sword, as well as maintaining guards when appropriate, much longer than the average sword fight will last.
I have personally participated in events where women have gone on to beat men who have more years of fencing under their belt. having fenced these woman myself, I can tell you they are good fencers, but they are no more experts than the other men they have faced. yet they easily hold their own.
What are the ratios of women in the sport that can hold their own against men (and then win), from the already small pool of women who are interested in hema? I imagine the number is really small at whichever hema club you are at. They are the exceptions.
Sure there are women who can effectively use sword after training and already fit in general but that hardly matters when they have to face some one a foot taller and 100+ lb heavier wailing on them. Also this is hit based sport match with heavy protections where men will still hold back when fighting against women, if somehow in real life we ended up carrying swords for self defense, people wishing harm against someone wearing a sword will not openly request for duels, the force multiplier is still moot.
HEMA is still a small and close knit hobby, I would argue anyone who is interested in it is an outlier of some sort.
I don't have hard numbers, but my observation is that women who train as much as the men tend to do just as well. Men definitely seem to have more of a competitive instinct, seem to be prone to training more, and are generally more motivated to show up to practices, but that is a social discrepancy rather than a physical one.
I have indeed personally witnessed a smaller female fencer getting injured when going against a larger fencer during a tournament. in this case, the height and weight discrepancy was massive, where she was going up a guy who was 6 ft 7 and had the weight to match while she was around 5'3 and also had the weight to match. she scored a few points on him, but the male fencer landed a clean blow on her collarbone which seemed to have broken it. In this case, it was an extreme weight difference that led to the injury in my opinion.
That weight difference is not present in 99% of the bouts that I have fought and judged. male or female, a lighter and smaller fencer can take on and defeat a larger and taller fencer no problem as long as they have practiced that match up. the smaller fencer has a lower center of gravity and will generally have an advantage in grappling situations. they also have the advantage of being able to hit their opponent while being past their opponent's strike range. So long as they can close the distance, they can land the point.
And this is just height/weight difference. I have personally fenced men who are even shorter and lighter than a lot of the women that I have fenced. Given the same skill level, the men and women pose a similar challenge in my experience.
finally, a sword is a fucking sword. with the proper technique, it does not take much to inflict a mortal blow on an opponent. even then, tournaments have a standard for a quality hit and will not award points if a cut does not have sufficient force behind it. if you've ever held a longsword, or any other real sword, you'd know that cutting weapons can do a lot of damage just being swung under their own weight.
I can also tell you that, in a tournament setting with a medal on the line, nobody is holding back. I sure as hell don't, and I don't expect anyone to hold back on me.
all of this said, this is still assuming an unarmored fight. I do not participate in harnessfechten, buhurt, or any other armored combat sports, but I have witnessed several matches. In my inexperienced opinion, strength does indeed play a major factor in armored combat and I do believe there would be a visible discrepancy between men and women in that regard, similar to the discrepancy between men and women in combat sports like MMA.
As I'm fond of telling my wife, women give birth in comas. Giving birth is the same process biologically as passing feces. No one says taking a shit is the same as fighting.
True but also with abortion and birth control, you don't even need to kill off the females. Just kill all the men (your competition) and turn the women into willing sex slaves (most women are already this). Voila.
You know, I've seen plenty of videos of the Ukraine war, I've seen clips that had what appeared to be fairly young teens in uniforms in trenches (the kid I was thinking of looked under 15), but I don't think I've seen a single one with a woman. There were some instagram sluts posing with airsoft rifles in full makeup at the start, but other than that, nothing. I haven't seen a single casualty video of a woman actually fighting or dying. And there are a lot of videos, although I admittedly don't watch most of them. It's like not even the UA military is sending their strong and independent wahmen who don't need no man anywhere they'd be at the slightest risk, even as they're desperately "recruiting" unwilling men by kidnapping them off the street - there's loads of footage of that happening. Really activates the ol' almonds.
Now that you say that, I can't say I have either and I've seen quite a bit of combat footage, especially off telegram. And you're right there's a LOT of videos of them grabbing men of the street, young and old and then you'll see them getting buttfucked in minefields or just wrecked by drones. I admit I don't watch all the footage because there's only so many videos you can watch of conscripts just getting fucked and I don't even support the Ukies.
I admit I don't watch all the footage because there's only so many videos you can watch of conscripts just getting fucked and I don't even support the Ukies.
Yeah, same. It just feels wrong, and I don't want to end up like an average redditor, jacking ximself raw to footage of people dying.
That's because the Ukraine war is an existential war where they stand a very real chance of losing. One of the other tells is they imprison anti-war dissidents.
Public Anti-war dissent and women in combat roles aren't going to cause you to lose a war, but if you're trying to give yourself the best odds of winning, your enemies broadcasting a bunch of raped and beaten female GIs on TV along with your citizens going out in public saying what a bad idea the war is probably isn't giving you that.
I doubt most of us in the West have seen an existential war of this sort in our lifetimes, so we aren't used to their rules.
Hell they imprison people who film successful missiles strikes by the Russkies because it goes against the narrative they push about shooting down 31 out of 28 missiles. Although that seems to have died down a bit especially since the Ukie air command admitted they weren't able to shoot down Russia cruise missiles.
I agree with that this is absolutely an existential war and something we haven't seen before. This isn't ieds and mortars and desert brushfire wars. This is another European land conflict I'm sure enough will be known as WWIII once the Poles and Baltics jump in. It's crazy how we've gotten to this point.
Women, fat people, some of the elderly (as some enter what I like to call 'old bull' zone), kids and medically ill all are at a disadvantage in a warzone compared to an average man.
If you think that's not the case, fight an Islamic milita and get back to me.
Spoken like a bigmouth who has never felt the weight of a sword, the stress of a physical fight, or the conviction needed to end the life of another adult.
Subverting your enemy into throwing its vital reproductive supply into the meat grinder sounds like a lost chapter of the Art of War.
Women can fight. Yes there are certain issues that need to be accounted for to make it viable, but that's not the primary reason they aren't traditionally on the front line getting themselves killed for the sake of some chode leader's massive political temper tantrum. You morons think men WANT to throw their fucking lives away for dumbass reasons?
"If a woman has the strength to bear a child, she can swing a sword as well as any man" is one of the worst nonsense analogies I've ever heard. It doesn't even make sense within its own internal logic. Either it's conflating strength of will with strength of body, or it's saying that pelvic floor strength equates to arm strength. Either way you'd have to be borderline retarded to think it makes sense.
Had anyone tried to warn them of this fate beforehand they would have been called misogynists by those very women. Fuck them.
I'm only a little younger than you are, and like you I've witnessed the rise in whereareallthegoodmen types over the last decade or so. Men are getting red pilled at unsustainable rates from a civilizational perspective.
I've always said that if women had even 1% of the difficulty that men do in dating the feminists would have the government regulating the dating market. I don't see state mandated husbands becoming a thing though, because for once female hypergamy will be our saving grace. The juice just isn't worth the squeeze for a cat lady to enslave Joe Shmoe working the $15/hr job at Walmart that DIE policies have condemned him to. I think it's more likely that we'll see a continuation of the trend of soft polygyny, with women sharing the top men and polyamorous cuck harems appearing at the extreme lower end of the SMV scale.
The fundamental problem is that there aren't enough well to do men to go around, and the ones that exist aren't going to be supporting more than one woman, especially not 35+ feminist cat ladies. I suppose those guys could be enslaved, but I don't see that happening because unlike bottom 80% men those guys are actually valued by society. The real trick is to hide any wealth that you do have so you don't attract gold diggers.
That's one major concern I have about graduating with my masters. I've already been sized up for betabuxxing once, and while it was good practice in staving that off it's not an experience I want to repeat.
They didn't say how the woman would be holding the sword
Sounds like a boss from a Dark Souls porn game. Or maybe just regular Silent Hill.
AKHSCHAWULLEY, a proper sword swing in most styles involves the entire body, from a good stance to a good core to good edge alignment. It is indeed possible to inflict great harm with a sword by swinging with just the arm, especially with blade heavy weapons like calvary sabers. However, much like a good punch or even golf swing, the better cut will always come with the activation of the entire body.
This doesn't make the analogy any less shit though.
doesn't matter if they used their whole body with proper techniques, their entire body is WEAK
that's the point of the sword, or any weapon really. Weapons are a force multiplier that works to even the playing field between the strong and the weak. the more advanced the weapon is, the more even the playing field.
You don't need to be very strong to use a sword effectively.
lol month old zombie thread.
you don't need to be a strongman to use a sword, but it still requires certain strength and endurance to wield it effectively. have you ever actually swing around a sword in "combat"? it's highly exhausting, most sword matches end in 5 minutes or less, usually 3, and do require upper body strength to hold the guards and perform cuts.
a woman will likely win against a man without a sword just by extra reach, but will lose 8/10 times when facing a man with a sword even if they have equal expertise and similar body size. that was the point.
even when you use guns, women will lose on accuracy because most of them have too low upper body strength to steadily hold the weapon or handle the kickback. force multiplier doesn't matter much if the other side also has the same weapon but is naturally advantaged in physical strength, endurance and spatial reasoning. it only works at point blank range and the other side was caught by surprise. within 21 feet, a determined man with no gun might still be able to grab the gun from a panicking woman.
one can argue even at the high tech level of using remote drones, men will still beat women using the same weapon, just look at esports, women still lose to men even if the activity only involved keyboard and mouse with minimal physical movements. what's left? pushing a button to fire missiles in a secured bonker?
there's a reason why every competition is separated by sex, it's certainly not to the benefits of men.
Yes. I fence HEMA, and I have practice cutting with several sharp swords that I own. I also participate in a semi-local LARP group that uses steel weapons. I have also been a judge at a few HEMA events.
When it comes to unarmored fencing, strength is hardly a factor. Once the basic muscles are developed, Endurance and Finesse are the name of the game, even in longsword. Based on my experience, a sword fight will not last long unless two very skilled opponents are fighting each other. A match between two rookies is likely to end in both being severely wounded or dead, and a match between intermediates will be more aggressive and suicidal than a match between experts. 2 to 5 minutes is pretty long for a sword fight.
While it may be true that men on average are stronger than women, the two populations intersect significantly. I have personally met and fenced good bouts with women who are more than capable of holding and swinging a sword, as well as maintaining guards when appropriate, much longer than the average sword fight will last.
I have personally participated in events where women have gone on to beat men who have more years of fencing under their belt. having fenced these woman myself, I can tell you they are good fencers, but they are no more experts than the other men they have faced. yet they easily hold their own.
What are the ratios of women in the sport that can hold their own against men (and then win), from the already small pool of women who are interested in hema? I imagine the number is really small at whichever hema club you are at. They are the exceptions.
Sure there are women who can effectively use sword after training and already fit in general but that hardly matters when they have to face some one a foot taller and 100+ lb heavier wailing on them. Also this is hit based sport match with heavy protections where men will still hold back when fighting against women, if somehow in real life we ended up carrying swords for self defense, people wishing harm against someone wearing a sword will not openly request for duels, the force multiplier is still moot.
HEMA is still a small and close knit hobby, I would argue anyone who is interested in it is an outlier of some sort.
I don't have hard numbers, but my observation is that women who train as much as the men tend to do just as well. Men definitely seem to have more of a competitive instinct, seem to be prone to training more, and are generally more motivated to show up to practices, but that is a social discrepancy rather than a physical one.
I have indeed personally witnessed a smaller female fencer getting injured when going against a larger fencer during a tournament. in this case, the height and weight discrepancy was massive, where she was going up a guy who was 6 ft 7 and had the weight to match while she was around 5'3 and also had the weight to match. she scored a few points on him, but the male fencer landed a clean blow on her collarbone which seemed to have broken it. In this case, it was an extreme weight difference that led to the injury in my opinion.
That weight difference is not present in 99% of the bouts that I have fought and judged. male or female, a lighter and smaller fencer can take on and defeat a larger and taller fencer no problem as long as they have practiced that match up. the smaller fencer has a lower center of gravity and will generally have an advantage in grappling situations. they also have the advantage of being able to hit their opponent while being past their opponent's strike range. So long as they can close the distance, they can land the point.
And this is just height/weight difference. I have personally fenced men who are even shorter and lighter than a lot of the women that I have fenced. Given the same skill level, the men and women pose a similar challenge in my experience.
finally, a sword is a fucking sword. with the proper technique, it does not take much to inflict a mortal blow on an opponent. even then, tournaments have a standard for a quality hit and will not award points if a cut does not have sufficient force behind it. if you've ever held a longsword, or any other real sword, you'd know that cutting weapons can do a lot of damage just being swung under their own weight.
I can also tell you that, in a tournament setting with a medal on the line, nobody is holding back. I sure as hell don't, and I don't expect anyone to hold back on me.
all of this said, this is still assuming an unarmored fight. I do not participate in harnessfechten, buhurt, or any other armored combat sports, but I have witnessed several matches. In my inexperienced opinion, strength does indeed play a major factor in armored combat and I do believe there would be a visible discrepancy between men and women in that regard, similar to the discrepancy between men and women in combat sports like MMA.
All of that is downstream of grip strength, where 85% of men are stronger than a 99th percentile woman.
The average man would have a stronger grip with four fingers than the average woman has with all five.
As I'm fond of telling my wife, women give birth in comas. Giving birth is the same process biologically as passing feces. No one says taking a shit is the same as fighting.
My wife gave birth 100% lucid and drug free. She wanted to see what it was like. If you're wondering, the answer is "horrifying".
But you're right, natural births are ridiculously rare these days, which only makes the argument even worse than I had previously given it credit for.
If you really want to "control" a species' numbers, you don't kill off the "excess" males, you off the excess females.
True but also with abortion and birth control, you don't even need to kill off the females. Just kill all the men (your competition) and turn the women into willing sex slaves (most women are already this). Voila.
You know, I've seen plenty of videos of the Ukraine war, I've seen clips that had what appeared to be fairly young teens in uniforms in trenches (the kid I was thinking of looked under 15), but I don't think I've seen a single one with a woman. There were some instagram sluts posing with airsoft rifles in full makeup at the start, but other than that, nothing. I haven't seen a single casualty video of a woman actually fighting or dying. And there are a lot of videos, although I admittedly don't watch most of them. It's like not even the UA military is sending their strong and independent wahmen who don't need no man anywhere they'd be at the slightest risk, even as they're desperately "recruiting" unwilling men by kidnapping them off the street - there's loads of footage of that happening. Really activates the ol' almonds.
Now that you say that, I can't say I have either and I've seen quite a bit of combat footage, especially off telegram. And you're right there's a LOT of videos of them grabbing men of the street, young and old and then you'll see them getting buttfucked in minefields or just wrecked by drones. I admit I don't watch all the footage because there's only so many videos you can watch of conscripts just getting fucked and I don't even support the Ukies.
Yeah, same. It just feels wrong, and I don't want to end up like an average redditor, jacking ximself raw to footage of people dying.
That's because the Ukraine war is an existential war where they stand a very real chance of losing. One of the other tells is they imprison anti-war dissidents.
Public Anti-war dissent and women in combat roles aren't going to cause you to lose a war, but if you're trying to give yourself the best odds of winning, your enemies broadcasting a bunch of raped and beaten female GIs on TV along with your citizens going out in public saying what a bad idea the war is probably isn't giving you that.
I doubt most of us in the West have seen an existential war of this sort in our lifetimes, so we aren't used to their rules.
Hell they imprison people who film successful missiles strikes by the Russkies because it goes against the narrative they push about shooting down 31 out of 28 missiles. Although that seems to have died down a bit especially since the Ukie air command admitted they weren't able to shoot down Russia cruise missiles.
I agree with that this is absolutely an existential war and something we haven't seen before. This isn't ieds and mortars and desert brushfire wars. This is another European land conflict I'm sure enough will be known as WWIII once the Poles and Baltics jump in. It's crazy how we've gotten to this point.
Karen Hawkins is a romance novelist, WTF lol. That's the official 82nd Airborne account.
Let them meet the same combat standards
Women, fat people, some of the elderly (as some enter what I like to call 'old bull' zone), kids and medically ill all are at a disadvantage in a warzone compared to an average man.
If you think that's not the case, fight an Islamic milita and get back to me.
Women never actually fight though. They get pregnant or go awol or get another medical exemption.
No atheists in foxholes
No feminists either
Spoken like a bigmouth who has never felt the weight of a sword, the stress of a physical fight, or the conviction needed to end the life of another adult.
"LOL wE DonT uSe SwoRdS aNymOrE AnywAyS "
Subverting your enemy into throwing its vital reproductive supply into the meat grinder sounds like a lost chapter of the Art of War.
Women can fight. Yes there are certain issues that need to be accounted for to make it viable, but that's not the primary reason they aren't traditionally on the front line getting themselves killed for the sake of some chode leader's massive political temper tantrum. You morons think men WANT to throw their fucking lives away for dumbass reasons?
indeed, I think it's a wonderful idea that women should fight and die for globalist pet projects and vested interests. /s
“If a woman has strength to bear kidney stones” would make more sense as that is widely regarded as more painful.
But it makes no sense.
Both pictures are correct.
Fuck it, let 'em. I'm not interested in trying to protect women who are too fucking stupid to protect themselves.
90% of them “fall pregnant” as soon as they are called to fight.
Combat arms MOS but section bunny (S1-S4) in reality.