And despite being a shitty, over-powered character that beaks the setting, they still had no issue having his shit get utterly wrecked as need be. Which atleast puts him one-up on Rey.
Otherwise, that entire discussion about how Star Wars fans somehow don't like female characters beings badasses is just pathetic normies trying to wear being a Star Wars fan as a skinsuit, now that it's the cool new thing.
I've heard there's a novelization of the games (or some other media that tells Starkiller's story) that makes it clear that what you seen in those games is embellished from the "true story"
He wasn't the first to drastically force a Star Destroyer in any particular direction. Though he received no blowback for it, while the first one to do it DIED, being a conduit channeling the wills of less than a dozen students to push away a whole fleet of them.
Not the way I access it. That is one subscription I will never pay. I admit to being a netflix simp since they only shipped DVDs. But never Disney. Not even once.
These are people that seen the very first Star Wars movie once as a kid and never got into it until Disney purchased Lucasfilm. They never read a single book or any of the comics before Marvel started doing them. Ask them about Knights of the Old Republic and they’ll look at you like you just asked them to recite all the numbers of Pi.
And let me put this out there. I get a few of the skills that Rey has. Like her survival skills or fighting skills. That’s justified from living on that planet all alone for many years. The rest of her skills does not make any sense. There’s no reason for her to have them. Not even Luke had those kind of skills and he’s had years of training from Yoda.
It's less about skills and more about strength. You need both to be a good fighter. You can be the most skilled fighter in the world and you'll still get your ass beat if your opponent doesn't even notice when you hit him. Rey looks like she needs to have Kylo open jars for her.
It's slightly less egregious with things like lightsabers and the force, which almost take strength entirely out of the equation, but they just had to show her performing an implausible feat of strength first, to prove that she's better than men even with 0 MP.
Ok. Realistically yeah she wouldn’t be able to take on any man, but we’re talking movie magic here. Where every single show or movie that has a female protagonist can take on any man. Also, if we’re looking at realism, there would be no way she could survive on an empty desert planet. All I’m saying is that those two skills it would make sense from the perspective of it being a movie. All her other skills leaves too many plot holes.
Oh yeah I’ll admit that her fighting against Kylo or those red guards in The Last Jedi was bullshit. I only bring up fighting skills against the regulars of that planet she lives on. What I also did notice is that they even went out of their way to fuck up how Kylo fights. How the hell does his fighting skills look so subpar and on the same level as Rey? Those movies have so many plot holes that they never bother to fill in.
What is the argument here? The movies are bad if you watch them but they suddenly make sense once we make some half-ass attempts of explaining why is actually not bad?
Not sure what is the point of arguing. Nothing about Rey made sense. I do not care if they wrote comics - after the movies - just to justify the shit that is Dinsey Star Wars. That is just damage control.
Also while force healing is part of the extended universe, not everyone could do it and that "even padawans could use it" seems far fetched. Maybe someone can correct me on this one. Again, assuming they made a shit comic to explain that one, how is that making the movies better?
I have seen it argued that 7 is a really good movie with zero ploy holes if you read two novels and a comic book before watching it to get the context. Apparently having content that doesn't need outside explanation is a thing of the past.
If a movie requires outside supplemental media to make sense, maybe it should be retooled so that homework is not required to fully enjoy the movie. What is another half hour to an hour of run time anyway for a modern movie?
A Disney Star Wars shill told me I wasn’t a fan and that the EU was fan fiction. Of course this was someone in their 20s. They said that Lucas saw it as non-canon and I said well Disney threw out the Lucas outline so they are non canon too
I wish they would stop using it. They didn’t want it so stop mining it for ideas. You know Rey and Ashoka movies will be bastardized versions of what Luke did
E;R's argument is the best counter to that kind of thinking. It doesn't matter if you "explain" why she's better than everyone at everything. The fact is, hypercompetence is bad writing because it takes all stake out of anything that character does. I don't care if Rey found the Gomu Gomu fruit and then gravity trained for 5000 years, she's still boring. An explanation for why you made an overpowered, boring character doesn't make that character interesting.
Exactly. There are good examples of characters that are overpowered but written well. There's this character in Galaxy's Edge named Tyhrus Rechs (pronounced like the dinosaur) who is really really good at killing people because his genetics were fucked with to make him stop aging, become immune to almost all diseases and is equipped with armor that is basically from another dimension. He's literally 5000 years old and has been fighting the entire time, but he struggles with being that old and generally barely survives overwhelming odds. He actually has to try to win and is constantly getting banged up, gets shot, shit like that. It's not a cake walk for him.
Rey just effortlessly does everything and has zero personality behind it. It's not that hard to make a good character they just didn't.
Anything that got introduced in a video game should not be justification for canon. Healing exists in video games for balance reasons. There was a reason why under Legends canon ranking system video games were at the lower level of the canon.
Laughable saying even padawans could do it on top of that. I guess Obi Wan skipped that class and that's why he left Qui Gon die?
Healing exists in video games for balance reasons.
You mean we can't just chug entire bottles of pills [L4D2] or eat random herbs [RE] or do... something to a ram's head [Rastan] and instantly return to full health?
Games have been lying to me for decades! 😮
Edit: speaking of L4D2, this is where the "Realism" mode would come into play and piss off any normies playing. You die almost immediately when playing Realism because amongst other things friendly fire from a shotgun is quite lethal irl.
She has the magic vagina that gives her the power to learn any ability just by thinking about it. Women in the 80s didn't have magic vaginas so Leia never had such power. Just wait until they introduce a tranny. Nothing is more powerful than a magic vagina removed and replaced with some arm skin. The ability to think the Sith to death. Only weakness is not being totally accepted and coddled at all times.
I remember during TFA thinking it made no sense for Rey to already beat Kylo (this is before I realized the girl power obsession). But I just stick with the pre Disney stuff now. Currently reading NJO books
And despite being a shitty, over-powered character that beaks the setting, they still had no issue having his shit get utterly wrecked as need be. Which atleast puts him one-up on Rey.
Otherwise, that entire discussion about how Star Wars fans somehow don't like female characters beings badasses is just pathetic normies trying to wear being a Star Wars fan as a skinsuit, now that it's the cool new thing.
I fucking hate this timeline.
I've heard there's a novelization of the games (or some other media that tells Starkiller's story) that makes it clear that what you seen in those games is embellished from the "true story"
He wasn't the first to drastically force a Star Destroyer in any particular direction. Though he received no blowback for it, while the first one to do it DIED, being a conduit channeling the wills of less than a dozen students to push away a whole fleet of them.
Not the way I access it. That is one subscription I will never pay. I admit to being a netflix simp since they only shipped DVDs. But never Disney. Not even once.
"Look Skywalker" 😑 These absolute troglodytes.
These are people that seen the very first Star Wars movie once as a kid and never got into it until Disney purchased Lucasfilm. They never read a single book or any of the comics before Marvel started doing them. Ask them about Knights of the Old Republic and they’ll look at you like you just asked them to recite all the numbers of Pi.
And let me put this out there. I get a few of the skills that Rey has. Like her survival skills or fighting skills. That’s justified from living on that planet all alone for many years. The rest of her skills does not make any sense. There’s no reason for her to have them. Not even Luke had those kind of skills and he’s had years of training from Yoda.
She was a scrawny girl that could fight multiple opponents with a stick. Her fighting skills made no sense.
It's less about skills and more about strength. You need both to be a good fighter. You can be the most skilled fighter in the world and you'll still get your ass beat if your opponent doesn't even notice when you hit him. Rey looks like she needs to have Kylo open jars for her.
It's slightly less egregious with things like lightsabers and the force, which almost take strength entirely out of the equation, but they just had to show her performing an implausible feat of strength first, to prove that she's better than men even with 0 MP.
kek
Ok. Realistically yeah she wouldn’t be able to take on any man, but we’re talking movie magic here. Where every single show or movie that has a female protagonist can take on any man. Also, if we’re looking at realism, there would be no way she could survive on an empty desert planet. All I’m saying is that those two skills it would make sense from the perspective of it being a movie. All her other skills leaves too many plot holes.
Oh yeah I’ll admit that her fighting against Kylo or those red guards in The Last Jedi was bullshit. I only bring up fighting skills against the regulars of that planet she lives on. What I also did notice is that they even went out of their way to fuck up how Kylo fights. How the hell does his fighting skills look so subpar and on the same level as Rey? Those movies have so many plot holes that they never bother to fill in.
Spot on. I truly hate the rise of the fake geek and the people who never cared about these IPs until they became trendy
the same people that used to pick on me for liking a thing now control it.
What is the argument here? The movies are bad if you watch them but they suddenly make sense once we make some half-ass attempts of explaining why is actually not bad?
Not sure what is the point of arguing. Nothing about Rey made sense. I do not care if they wrote comics - after the movies - just to justify the shit that is Dinsey Star Wars. That is just damage control.
Also while force healing is part of the extended universe, not everyone could do it and that "even padawans could use it" seems far fetched. Maybe someone can correct me on this one. Again, assuming they made a shit comic to explain that one, how is that making the movies better?
I have seen it argued that 7 is a really good movie with zero ploy holes if you read two novels and a comic book before watching it to get the context. Apparently having content that doesn't need outside explanation is a thing of the past.
If a movie requires outside supplemental media to make sense, maybe it should be retooled so that homework is not required to fully enjoy the movie. What is another half hour to an hour of run time anyway for a modern movie?
I was told that you're "not a real fan" if you don't read tye extra stuff
A Disney Star Wars shill told me I wasn’t a fan and that the EU was fan fiction. Of course this was someone in their 20s. They said that Lucas saw it as non-canon and I said well Disney threw out the Lucas outline so they are non canon too
It's all so tiresome. Star Wars EU expanded the universe and Disney still uses it, just in a way that they don't have to pay royalties.
I wish they would stop using it. They didn’t want it so stop mining it for ideas. You know Rey and Ashoka movies will be bastardized versions of what Luke did
E;R's argument is the best counter to that kind of thinking. It doesn't matter if you "explain" why she's better than everyone at everything. The fact is, hypercompetence is bad writing because it takes all stake out of anything that character does. I don't care if Rey found the Gomu Gomu fruit and then gravity trained for 5000 years, she's still boring. An explanation for why you made an overpowered, boring character doesn't make that character interesting.
Exactly. There are good examples of characters that are overpowered but written well. There's this character in Galaxy's Edge named Tyhrus Rechs (pronounced like the dinosaur) who is really really good at killing people because his genetics were fucked with to make him stop aging, become immune to almost all diseases and is equipped with armor that is basically from another dimension. He's literally 5000 years old and has been fighting the entire time, but he struggles with being that old and generally barely survives overwhelming odds. He actually has to try to win and is constantly getting banged up, gets shot, shit like that. It's not a cake walk for him.
Rey just effortlessly does everything and has zero personality behind it. It's not that hard to make a good character they just didn't.
Anything that got introduced in a video game should not be justification for canon. Healing exists in video games for balance reasons. There was a reason why under Legends canon ranking system video games were at the lower level of the canon.
Laughable saying even padawans could do it on top of that. I guess Obi Wan skipped that class and that's why he left Qui Gon die?
You mean we can't just chug entire bottles of pills [L4D2] or eat random herbs [RE] or do... something to a ram's head [Rastan] and instantly return to full health?
Games have been lying to me for decades! 😮
Edit: speaking of L4D2, this is where the "Realism" mode would come into play and piss off any normies playing. You die almost immediately when playing Realism because amongst other things friendly fire from a shotgun is quite lethal irl.
I know in the EU there is healing but it takes time and not something done super easy.
And in the case of Cade it requires tapping deep into the Dark Side.
She has the magic vagina that gives her the power to learn any ability just by thinking about it. Women in the 80s didn't have magic vaginas so Leia never had such power. Just wait until they introduce a tranny. Nothing is more powerful than a magic vagina removed and replaced with some arm skin. The ability to think the Sith to death. Only weakness is not being totally accepted and coddled at all times.
Might as just default Mary Sue to Rey Sue. They literally are making her Superman Jesus with no weakness.
Observation: a pathetic imitation of a great character from the original KOTOR
“I am balrog. I have all the powers.”
“Shut up, Cartman-Rey”
The Force Unleashed games were fun and better written than all three sequel films put together.
They also had Baby Yoda use it. It's such a broken force power.
I remember during TFA thinking it made no sense for Rey to already beat Kylo (this is before I realized the girl power obsession). But I just stick with the pre Disney stuff now. Currently reading NJO books
Very much so but with it’s not like it was unexpected. I figure they will mine EU for content and bastardize it going forward