Here's the sweet, sweet irony of this choice: if blacks want to pretend they are Egyptian that means they enslaved the Hebrew people and were slave masters, the worst slave masters in history.
The blacks owe Jews reparations for slavery if they want to go this route. Jam that down their throats until they are forced to admit their own hypocrisy.
Lookat dis fuggin raysis cracka talkin bout sheeit he don kno nuffin bout. Kangz wuz da real Eegyptshins, but dey wuz stole from dey culcha by da huwyte devils, who dress up like kangz and enslaved de Hebrews, who wuz also kangz. Sheeit, cracka you ain't got nuff melanin in yo brain to be thankin deep, sheeit.
Here's the sweet, sweet irony of this choice: if blacks want to pretend they are Egyptian that means they enslaved the Hebrew people and were slave masters, the worst slave masters in history.
"And the problem is? Owning slaves and enslaving others is empowering. It's only bad when it was done to us." - black nationalists.
I wish I was kidding, too. Anything blacks do to others is justified, stunning, and brave. Anything done to them is terrible and racist, and to keep the kangs down.
Not only was she Macedonian but her family was notoriously inbred to maintain a lighter skin tone. It would be more historically accurate to show the VP of marketing for Bud Light.
Which, amusingly, is less Arab, and much more "Levantine"...
Arabs didn't exist as such. This is more than a semantic argument. Their whole conquest out of Arabia had yet to happen. Those kinds of conquests change demographics.
Thinking that ancient Egyptians would look like modern ones is a false assumption on its face. If it happens to be so then great. But people's appearance isn't that stable, particularly in the Middle East which has always been a crossroads.
Kind of goes with the territory these days, unfortunately…
Hell, even city and town pages have been so corrupted that, in places with some sort of Indigenous population (so, the Americas, Australia, pretty much most of the world outside Europe, in their worldview), half the article will just be about “pre-colonial history”…
It used to be ok. Now it’s awful.
But I just provided that as a “summary”, I guess. Not because I agree with it or think it is accurate, lol…
Man, that would be amazing for the laughs. I'd love it, just for the juxtaposition, to have some super revisionist "modernized" WW2 movies, or something. I'm not even talking full comedies, just do what they do to other things to WW2, but play it mostly straight. Make Hitler a kang, that would be great.
Essentially, yes. And the Ptolemaic dynasty followed after ancient traditions of marrying the Pharaoh to his sister when possible, both to preserve the bloodline and to try and guarantee a stronger perception of legitimacy.
And even prior to the Ptolemaics, there were fairly few instances of Egypt being ruled by those of more Nubian ethnic origin.
ancient traditions of marrying the Pharaoh to his sister when possible, both to preserve the bloodline and to try and guarantee a stronger perception of legitimacy.
Because nothing says legitimate like marrying your sister.
Well, yes, from a remotely modern perspective it is certainly pretty damn silly. But to "fit in" as the new rulers of Egyptian territory, adopting cultural practices that former rulers followed does make some sense.
In hindsight of course, this was not exactly a great practice to carry on with..
I honestly gave up arguing with the “Egyptians were black” types because they have dubious sources for all their claims. I think Egypt was under sub Saharan Africa control for a bit if I remember but that’s it.
Egypt was invaded by the Kushites (Nubians) who were sub saharan, they ruled for about 100 years before being defeated by the Assyrians. So one black dynasty of about of 33 to rule over Egypt....
The Kush civilization is really intriguing, and also just very mysterious (https://daily.jstor.org/the-lost-kingdom-of-kush/). They could easily make a show or whatever about them and just make shit up without changing history because we just don't know the history and there's not much research into it ironically (beyond the era of their domination over Egypt).
Instead of The Woman King, and with the budget of Wakanda Forever, they could easily make a film about Piye, not least because he actualy existed and we know a good deal about him: https://www.britannica.com/biography/Piye
Do we get the part when she f'd up and messed with the wrong Emperor or is this just the 'good parts' as that's too much 'consequences of my actions' for female empowerment?
In classical Latin the 'c' sounds is always pronounced as a 'k' sound, so the Romans would have pronounced it as 'Mack-edoinia'. Due to linguistic drift Latin-derived languages have softened the hard 'c' sound into more of an 's'. English, though not a Latin based language, also borrowed this convention.
Here's the sweet, sweet irony of this choice: if blacks want to pretend they are Egyptian that means they enslaved the Hebrew people and were slave masters, the worst slave masters in history.
The blacks owe Jews reparations for slavery if they want to go this route. Jam that down their throats until they are forced to admit their own hypocrisy.
How amusing.
They get around this by claiming to have been the true Hebrews as well. Didn't you hear Kanye?
Most evidence points out to Cleopatra having been a caucasoid, probably red haired woman.
There are plenty of contemporaneous depictions of Cleopatra, all consistent with each other and portraying her as caucasian.
Also, there is zero archeological evidence that there were Hebrew slave workers in Egypt.
Lookat dis fuggin raysis cracka talkin bout sheeit he don kno nuffin bout. Kangz wuz da real Eegyptshins, but dey wuz stole from dey culcha by da huwyte devils, who dress up like kangz and enslaved de Hebrews, who wuz also kangz. Sheeit, cracka you ain't got nuff melanin in yo brain to be thankin deep, sheeit.
"And the problem is? Owning slaves and enslaving others is empowering. It's only bad when it was done to us." - black nationalists.
I wish I was kidding, too. Anything blacks do to others is justified, stunning, and brave. Anything done to them is terrible and racist, and to keep the kangs down.
It's hilarious that Jada Pinkett Smith is like 10 shades lighter skinned than this bush bitch they picked.
Btw this is what Egyptians look like.
Only ignorant liberals have this idea that literally every square foot of the African continent is full of charcoal black sub sarharan africans.
Also Cleopatra herself wasn't even Egyptian. She was a Greek descendant of Ptolemy from Macedonia.
Not only was she Macedonian but her family was notoriously inbred to maintain a lighter skin tone. It would be more historically accurate to show the VP of marketing for Bud Light.
And she was still avoiding any and all sun and bathing in milk to be super white.
That's what modern Egyptians look like, yeah...
For Ancient Egyptians, we're talking more like: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/3d-reconstruction-ancient-egyptian-mummies-180978786/
Which, amusingly, is less Arab, and much more "Levantine"...
And then there's Cleo herself, who, while clearly widely debated, perhaps looked something like in this article: https://allthatsinteresting.com/what-did-cleopatra-look-like
History has been rather kind, I would say.
Not exactly "Helen of Troy" material, anyway!
After all these years, I see Facegen in any context, and I still hear the first Oblivion dungeon track it plays during character creation.
Arabs didn't exist as such. This is more than a semantic argument. Their whole conquest out of Arabia had yet to happen. Those kinds of conquests change demographics.
Thinking that ancient Egyptians would look like modern ones is a false assumption on its face. If it happens to be so then great. But people's appearance isn't that stable, particularly in the Middle East which has always been a crossroads.
Cleopatra was Greek. The likelihood of her having been anything one would call 'black' without stretch armstrong levels of reach is basically zero.
But more to the point, what the fuck is the obsession with the idea of a black cleopatra?
She was an incompetent despot who took one of the oldest civilizations on earth to her grave with her.
It's the song that never ends!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian_race_controversy
I mean, unfortunately it’s “Wokeypedia”…
Kind of goes with the territory these days, unfortunately…
Hell, even city and town pages have been so corrupted that, in places with some sort of Indigenous population (so, the Americas, Australia, pretty much most of the world outside Europe, in their worldview), half the article will just be about “pre-colonial history”…
It used to be ok. Now it’s awful.
But I just provided that as a “summary”, I guess. Not because I agree with it or think it is accurate, lol…
Wikipedia is so unfun that only terrible people edit it. Least fun website with comments section ever.
“More historical female heroes” - honestly, there was probably a Wikimedia “event” for that, at some point…
Ironically, the much, much less famous Hatshepsut probably didn’t get the same attention, though… 🤷🏻♂️
As is the way with these things…
Fame. It’s because she’s famous, inc. supposedly for her “beauty” (ironic, considering facial reconstructions)…
That’s literally it, lol.
Not sure how black Hatshepsut was, though. More “brown”, arguably… 🤷🏻♂️
Wasn't Cleopatra Greek anyway?
PLEASE.
Man, that would be amazing for the laughs. I'd love it, just for the juxtaposition, to have some super revisionist "modernized" WW2 movies, or something. I'm not even talking full comedies, just do what they do to other things to WW2, but play it mostly straight. Make Hitler a kang, that would be great.
And it pisses off both sides!
My God, it's Adolf Hitler!
Essentially, yes. And the Ptolemaic dynasty followed after ancient traditions of marrying the Pharaoh to his sister when possible, both to preserve the bloodline and to try and guarantee a stronger perception of legitimacy.
And even prior to the Ptolemaics, there were fairly few instances of Egypt being ruled by those of more Nubian ethnic origin.
Because nothing says legitimate like marrying your sister.
Well, yes, from a remotely modern perspective it is certainly pretty damn silly. But to "fit in" as the new rulers of Egyptian territory, adopting cultural practices that former rulers followed does make some sense.
In hindsight of course, this was not exactly a great practice to carry on with..
Pretty standard for Netflix. Cleopatra was Macedonian correct?
I honestly gave up arguing with the “Egyptians were black” types because they have dubious sources for all their claims. I think Egypt was under sub Saharan Africa control for a bit if I remember but that’s it.
Egypt was invaded by the Kushites (Nubians) who were sub saharan, they ruled for about 100 years before being defeated by the Assyrians. So one black dynasty of about of 33 to rule over Egypt....
That’s what I was trying to remember. But they use that to justify their theories
The Kush civilization is really intriguing, and also just very mysterious (https://daily.jstor.org/the-lost-kingdom-of-kush/). They could easily make a show or whatever about them and just make shit up without changing history because we just don't know the history and there's not much research into it ironically (beyond the era of their domination over Egypt).
Thanks for the link. I wouldn’t trust any modern day studio to make such a show or documentary but like you said it could be very interesting
Instead of The Woman King, and with the budget of Wakanda Forever, they could easily make a film about Piye, not least because he actualy existed and we know a good deal about him: https://www.britannica.com/biography/Piye
We wuz Kwangs
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Using a black man to portray Cleopatra. How stunning and brave.
Do we get the part when she f'd up and messed with the wrong Emperor or is this just the 'good parts' as that's too much 'consequences of my actions' for female empowerment?
Ironically prettier than the real "Cleo" probably was, according to most historians, lol...
In classical Latin the 'c' sounds is always pronounced as a 'k' sound, so the Romans would have pronounced it as 'Mack-edoinia'. Due to linguistic drift Latin-derived languages have softened the hard 'c' sound into more of an 's'. English, though not a Latin based language, also borrowed this convention.
So in truth both are correct.