Can’t say I’m too excited about Avatar 2. I saw Avatar in the theaters, it was good. Entertaining but pretentious and vapid. Also quite forgettable. Plus I don’t trust movies anymore. Avatar was already bludgeon your face with pre-woke environmentalist BS. I’m sure Avatar 2 will be worse. It’ll have transgender aliens and somehow make a whitey bad reference.
The first one was already essentially “whitey bad”, or at least, “white American bad”.
The only thing you would need to change would be to have all the human “traitors” be black/Latino (most were, anyway), and then yeah, would be completely on-message, lol…
I’m 100% sure they can get some “nonbinary”/“queer” shit into the 2nd one. Not at all difficult to imagine…
If they portrayed corporations doing different kinds of evil, it would be a lot better. Instead, it's always the same crap: environmentalism and shady defense contractor stuff.
If it is not about nuking savages from orbit and glassing the forests to mine that unobtanium over the scorched corpses of the xeno scum, then I hope this movie dies. Colonialism FTW.
The original sailed purely on then-groundbreaking visual effects, but visuals like that are everywhere these days, and all Avatar is left with is a shitty 'colonialism bad' pocahontas movie.
I can see it happening, just off nostalgia glasses from Avatar.
That said, as someone who never saw the first one (but heard lots about it), viewing the trailer for 2 does nothing to make me want to see it. In fact, I'm pretty sure I can predict the entire plot just from the trailer:
Movie opens with Jake and his new daughter (at least, that's who I'm assuming the kid-alien in the trailer is) living a happy, peaceful life In Harmony With Nature(tm). Evil humans return to Pandora still desperate for resources, only they invade in an aquatic/island area. Jake wants to fight them off again, but his local tribe refuses, saying "It's not our problem". Jake defiantly goes to new area with a few of the local tribe (The Reisistance(tm)) who agreed with him. There they meet Other Alien Tribe, who are hesitant at first but accepts the help eventually. Battle with the Evil Humans is difficult and expensive, but is ultimately won when Jake's daughter manages to summon some giant fish-monster to destroy the Evil Human's command ship.
Honestly, not sure if you're joking or not on that one. On the one hand, it wouldn't surprise me at all, but I've looked up nothing about it except the trailer so don't know if there has been mention about who the Big Bad is. (All that's seen about them in the trailer is some big boats, some murder robots and a bunch of scenes of Peaceful Native Villages(tm) on fire)
Honestly, for me, one of the few redeeming things about the first one, at least when watching at the cinema, was the aerial battle scenes, some of the ground battles, and the chase scenes…
Watching the human ships get blown up was badass, and made up for any storytelling… Holes. Much like the Star Wars prequels.
And I normally hate, or at least dislike, most “action” movies, lol…
So yeah, without those specifics, and in a very different cultural era to when the first one was released, this whole thing just doesn’t appeal to me, quite honestly…
You know if you're going to make an expensive film at least make the story worth-while for it. As it is the first avatar movie story was so mediocre, it doesnt justify the costs.
Alita: Battle Angel WAS awesome, can't argue there. Best western manga adaptation of all time.
lol, what are you even talking about? Even the early nineties Battle Angel Alita anime mini-series was better than this tripe.
Manga is supposed to be fucked up, over-the-top and crazy, not saccharine and sappy.
Yeah, I hated that movie, lol…
Obviously taste is subjective, but I honestly didn’t think anyone liked it that much, tbh…
I loved it but I wouldn't peg it as a "best of all time"
I think the latter. He's about to Chris Roberts this.
SHHHHHH! Don't mention that name! You'll bring them out of the woodwork! And they won't shut up!
Can’t say I’m too excited about Avatar 2. I saw Avatar in the theaters, it was good. Entertaining but pretentious and vapid. Also quite forgettable. Plus I don’t trust movies anymore. Avatar was already bludgeon your face with pre-woke environmentalist BS. I’m sure Avatar 2 will be worse. It’ll have transgender aliens and somehow make a whitey bad reference.
The first one was already essentially “whitey bad”, or at least, “white American bad”.
The only thing you would need to change would be to have all the human “traitors” be black/Latino (most were, anyway), and then yeah, would be completely on-message, lol…
I’m 100% sure they can get some “nonbinary”/“queer” shit into the 2nd one. Not at all difficult to imagine…
Yeah, good luck with that. CG as a spectacle is old hat at this point.
The making of the first one is a great example of what to do when wokesters complain, though.
The studio complained the environmentalist message was too heavy-handed. Which it was.
The filmmakers responded by HAMMERING THE MESSAGE HARDER.
Why don't we do that?
Not with THAT attitude.
Did you like the first one?
It glorifies treason, so no. The framing of animal rape as something wholesome is also terrible.
That and I’m tired of the evil corporation trope or the perfect indigenous people
If they portrayed corporations doing different kinds of evil, it would be a lot better. Instead, it's always the same crap: environmentalism and shady defense contractor stuff.
Exactly
Wait. I need explanations.
Treason and bestiality? What?
Oh, shit. Somehow I never realized that first one.
The second, yeah, makes sense.
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/105/262/155.png
Have you seen Dances with Wolves?
It's that, but in space.
*Pocahontas, but also yes…
*Fern Gully
Pretty much what I thought when I first saw it
Neat root concept, boring cliche story, the most visually interesting movie ever made.
If it is not about nuking savages from orbit and glassing the forests to mine that unobtanium over the scorched corpses of the xeno scum, then I hope this movie dies. Colonialism FTW.
There's no way Avatar 2 doesn't bomb.
The original sailed purely on then-groundbreaking visual effects, but visuals like that are everywhere these days, and all Avatar is left with is a shitty 'colonialism bad' pocahontas movie.
God, was it really 2009? Fuck me, time flies.
Big issue with me is that James cribs the story from someone else, again.
I can see it happening, just off nostalgia glasses from Avatar.
That said, as someone who never saw the first one (but heard lots about it), viewing the trailer for 2 does nothing to make me want to see it. In fact, I'm pretty sure I can predict the entire plot just from the trailer:
Movie opens with Jake and his new daughter (at least, that's who I'm assuming the kid-alien in the trailer is) living a happy, peaceful life In Harmony With Nature(tm). Evil humans return to Pandora still desperate for resources, only they invade in an aquatic/island area. Jake wants to fight them off again, but his local tribe refuses, saying "It's not our problem". Jake defiantly goes to new area with a few of the local tribe (The Reisistance(tm)) who agreed with him. There they meet Other Alien Tribe, who are hesitant at first but accepts the help eventually. Battle with the Evil Humans is difficult and expensive, but is ultimately won when Jake's daughter manages to summon some giant fish-monster to destroy the Evil Human's command ship.
And isn't the villain the previous villain's twin brother?
Honestly, not sure if you're joking or not on that one. On the one hand, it wouldn't surprise me at all, but I've looked up nothing about it except the trailer so don't know if there has been mention about who the Big Bad is. (All that's seen about them in the trailer is some big boats, some murder robots and a bunch of scenes of Peaceful Native Villages(tm) on fire)
God that sounds awful, lol…
Honestly, for me, one of the few redeeming things about the first one, at least when watching at the cinema, was the aerial battle scenes, some of the ground battles, and the chase scenes…
Watching the human ships get blown up was badass, and made up for any storytelling… Holes. Much like the Star Wars prequels.
And I normally hate, or at least dislike, most “action” movies, lol…
So yeah, without those specifics, and in a very different cultural era to when the first one was released, this whole thing just doesn’t appeal to me, quite honestly…
James Cameron has made enough incredible movies to be worth the gamble.
It’s probably the budget for both the 2nd & 3rd films. Still a big gamble for a relatively vapid film.
You know if you're going to make an expensive film at least make the story worth-while for it. As it is the first avatar movie story was so mediocre, it doesnt justify the costs.