DeSantis openly condemns the World Economic Forum and their globalist policies.
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Isn't it strange how people like Richard Baris and Robert Barnes all cry "muh establishment" whenever someone even mentions DeSantis and yet DeSantis is condemning the WEF?
Trump has been silent on the WEF and their evil policies.
Hell, Trump is still out there pimping Operation Warpspeed and saying lockdowns were necessary in 2020, these Trump 2024 guys have nothing to say about that.
Sad what has happened to these once smart people.
Baris and Barnes used to have really insightful information in terms of political commentary, legal discussion as well as polling data.
Nowadays they both have gone full cultist like that arrogant retard Jack Posobiec and they just jerk off about Trump the whole time.
I like DeSantis, but condemning the WEF, while nice, doesn't absolve someone from being establishment or establishment lite. If anything the blatant efforts by the establishment at the moment to crown him in an effort to knock off orange man do much more to show just who it is that is preferable to the establishment.
They pretty frequently rip on him for it. Just a day or two ago there was yet another tweet circling around that both of those guys retweeted that ripped him for it.
I get that your whole shtick is that you love DeSantis and hate orange man, but trying to shit on Barnes and Baris calling them cultists just because they are noting the very blatant attempts to promote DeSantis to sow discord is unproductive at best and actively aiding in those efforts at worst.
It’s because stupid people are picking sides in a fight that was never happening trump v desantis is Astro turfed bs
Amazing people don't realize this.
Barnes is knowledgeable and all the more deeply untrustworthy for it. My take is that he is a crusader for the status quo since that is the best way to maintain a stable society in which he, Barnes, will continue to get selected as the first choice lawyer for 'dissidents'. Anyone else saying anything more dangerous than him or likely to challenge for his spot as the newsgrabbing free speech, pro-constitution lawyer will get the full force of his mockery and ire - such as Giuliani when he was rightfully shitting on Dominion. Everything Barnes said at the time was promoting safe, neutered challenges through compromised courts, while he laughingly dunked on accurate allegations such as those of massive widespread, corporate-abetted fraud. And then the judges threw everything out.
-Barnes.
Now that the 2020 election's long in the past and the midterms are fading too, he's happy to cry fraud, fraud, fraud. Because it's safe, it won't make anyone angry enough to actually change anything, yet it makes him look subversive. Same with airing out hoary old stories of 3-letter agencies on his 'hush hush'. Yeah that's great, but what have you leaked for me lately?
Interesting observations about Barnes.
I have recently had similar doubts about him as well.
Something about him rubs me the wrong way.
Looks like he constantly employs the tactic of a limited hangout where he will talk about something true but will make sure to not touch on anything truly subversive.
I see Jack Posobeic and TheLastRefuge guy from the conservative treehouse also do this exact sort of thing.
I don't trust any of these political commentators these days.
They all have their little scheming agendas.
Limited hangout, bingo. There are a lot of these around lately and they're poisonous. Keep your eyes out for Jeffrey Sachs doing the rounds on the podcast circuit these days: a chummy friendly old professor type who calls out the lying press and just tells it like it is, goshdarnit! (but also happens to be the chair of the covid 19 commission report, a WHO cheerleader and crusader for structural adjustment, absolute WEF viper)
One of the big red flags for Barnes for me was when the whole Jack Murphy controversy broke at the beginning of the year, Barnes threatened to sue people for libel for anyone who was dunking on Jack. And he said this was because he had represented Jack in the past. This had two implications. First, his opinions are for sale. This should be obvious given that he's a TV lawyer. Second, his legal arguments are for sale and do not depend on the actual law. The truth, such as Jack places dildos in his ass and talks about cucking and fucking dudes, is an absolute defense to libel claims and Barnes knows this. But you can pay Barnes to argue anything about the law. This should also be obvious given that he's a TV lawyer. But the bottom line is that you can never take what he says at face value.
I've mostly stopped watching Barnes because his partner Viva surreptitiously left Canada without being honest with his audience first (while also leaving all the pro-convoy folks behind to fight battles themselves).
I don't necessarily think it's odd for lawyers to hold heterodox and defensive views regarding former clients like Jack Murphy.
There's likely a complex interplay between not wanting to accidentally break client-attorney privilege, not wanting to deep six the prospect of future legal work from said client along with not wanting to send a signal to the industry as well as prospective future clients that you are willing to throw past clients under the bus.
Trump has gone to the fucking WEF and called them out bud.
That's what I said. I would have called Klaus a fucking Nazi along with all his other Green Party members because they were either former members or children of former members of the National Socialist German Workers Party.
If I'm going against Red Skull with Orange Man or Florida Man, I'll take either, but don't discount Orange Man.
Anyone who still trust Barnes after it came out what he did in the Rittenhouse case is not paying attention.
I already don't trust Barnes, but I'm not aware what he did (other than shit on the defence team for the entire trial because he wasn't on it). What did he do?
The TLDR version is that he demanded to be the face of the case and withdrew his resources when he thought they were disrespecting him. He also refused to listen to the other Defense attorneys when they said that they knew what they were doing and had argued in front of that judge and local juries. He also insisted on his whole jury selection theory that is actually a fairly controversial idea that is highly debated if it even works (hence why they didn’t trust it). And we have since learned the jury was on Kyles side the second they walked in to deliberation and just wanted to look at all evidence again before making their ruling (rather than his theory of political jurors).
So he is not as smart as he seems, at least outside of Constitutional law.
You got me expecting a lot so when you come in with that it just seems like you're grasping at straws. A lot of that just seems like their word versus his. The defense was pretty terrible in that case and Barnes was far from the only person pointing it out. Essentially every single lawyer I watched said similar things.
Where did we supposedly learn this? Realistically the only way we would learn this was one of the jurors speaking up about it, and I have a hard time believing any of them would ever try to spin it as "yeah some of us were being political hacks and were slowly forced to acknowledge he was innocent."
Regardless, going from memory when I've heard him talking about jury selection, it's always about analyzing demographics and specific types of people that make up the local communities to get a better inkling which way they may lean in the case. I'm not a lawyer, so would you be able to explain what aspect of his jury selection philosophy is controversial?
The dozen or so on "LawTube" were unanimous that Rittenhouse was the most clear-cut case of self-defense they'd ever seen go to trial. So gp can't really say "well local folksy lawyer won so he must have been right after all".
When Barnes is talking about a law trade thing and best practice I'll believe him; he's a good laywer. When he's pontificating as if he's the smartest guy on any topic - which is everything he ever says - well that's just your opinion dude.
Yeah no qualms with that. I think that goes for a lot of people though. There aren't all that many good people in the political sphere that don't have that Type A, borderline arrogant, "what I'm saying is right" feel to them. No need to take his word for things even when he is talking about law matters; people can think for themselves. I just was annoyed coming into this thread seeing a circle jerk that was dogging on him for reasons that seemed quite unfair.
Maybe from Law-Tube, which isnt necessarily wrong. But I did see my fair share of lawyers who said the defense wasnt terrible, it just wasnt flashy. But it worked for the particular area it was being done in.
And perhaps those accusations about Barnes are "he said, she said", but he has had enough moments of being an arrogant ass that I can believe it (although like you pointed out below, perhaps that just comes with the territory).
Have you not been paying attention to the Left over the last few years? They would absolutely do that, because it would give them cred in their own circles. If the juror he was worried about was actually a raging Leftoid, you know damn well she would have done exactly that, and then turned it into a point about how the US is inherently racist. While jurors speaking off the record about what happened during deliberation is also "he said, she said", the fact none of them have tried to make a big deal about it even a year later tells me its at least has weight to it.
I am also not a lawyer, but these are the things brought up by one that I saw pointing out how his theory doesnt work. Specifically, there are two major issues with it:
Both parties get a say in selecting the jury, and if you are trying to use demo-analysis to stack the deck in your favor, basically the only way you can do it is if the other party are so smooth brained they will let you get away with it uncontested, which is extremely unlikely. And the second the other party picks someone who go against your preference, now you run the risk of a hung jury or losing the case. And if you do get that far, the other party can try and pick at a weakness of your demographic, or even use it against you in appeals ("my client was denied a fair trial!").
In short, juries are too random to guess what they would do based on just the demographic data. Every lawyer has that story or has a friend with the story of a case where they thought that they had the perfect jury, a friendly judge, and a rock-solid case, only to lose with the jury because one of them just got a bug up their ass over something completely random that you could have never planned for.
I can't say either of those issues really hit home with me. It would be all about doing it better than the other side. There isn't any downside to being conscious of the cultural and social context of the area the case is in. Its all about gaining a slim advantage. If it's 1% or 2% that is still a gain. I'm sure he can overplay its usefulness or effectiveness, but the fundamental concepts are pretty much self evident, so long as you acknowledge that juries are biased and will have preconceptions/make decisions swayed by politics.
He's not as smart as he seems, but Kyle's lead attorney was arguably shit, and when he came out on day 2 or something and said they were trying to throw the case; I'd already come to that conclusion. They were bumbling and incompetent. We'd already seen where solid facts and evidence with a competent attorney can land you in a partisan trial after the George Floyd trial: life sentences for you and everyone who was around you in contradiction to all available evidence.
Yeah, all I remember was that Barnes was removed from the Rittenhouse defense team immediately before jury selection.
He was joking on stream that he now had a beautiful lakefront cabin in Milwaukee in October/November that he was looking to sublet.
What did he do in the Rittenhouse case? I've followed him pretty closely for years and can't think of what you're getting at.
See my response to the other post. TLDR is large ego and Dick measuring with the other Defense lawyers, while refusing to believe they knew what they were doing.
I hope he means it.
I personally think he does mean it based on how he actually took on Disney.
I wish my governor Greg Abbott was half as based as Ron DeSantis.
It seems Abbott follows him in some things. Granted Abbott was much better than Beto but that’s not saying much. Did you support Abbott in primaries?
In the primary I originally supported Allen West.
Now I think it might have been lucky for us that Abbott won the primary. We may mock Beto but he had a real good chance at winning if we had nominated West or Huffines.
Squishy suburban moderate Republicans in Texas will sadly choose even radical Democrats like Beto when given a choice between a truly based conservative like West/Huffines versus a Dem.
Abbott has a huge political machine and he dragged the whole ticket to victory. I was actually afraid Paxton might lose.
I may rag on him a lot but I am very grateful Abbott atleast keeps the state from going blue.
I agree. I liked West but like you said I felt Abbott had the best chance. And it is crazy how the squishy Republicans in suburbs will support a far left candidate
Squishy suburban Republicans will doom the country to Democratic rule.
Many of them refused to vote for Herschel Walker in GA and many of them refused to vote for Masters/Lake in Arizona.
Some of them even refused to vote for Oz in PA and Oz is the definition of squishy moderate.
These clowns just refuse to vote for based conservatives or Trump affiliated candidates.
He doesn't.
https://archive.ph/cBW3a - building statues of (black) women to replace Confederate statues
This was in 2019 and I think that was cringe.
Remember this?
https://archive.ph/OrNzj
Trump 2024ers like you have no real argument against DeSantis.
Every accusation you try to throw against DeSantis, Trump has either done the same or done even worse.
Question, why are you constantly shilling for DeSantis here? I have seen you advocating for his 2024 campaign/ against Trump’s almost on a daily basis like you’re being paid to do it. Take a break.
It definitely was.
Of course I remember it. It's Trump's third largest mistake, after trusting pollsters when they said women would make him win in 2022, and worst of all, not designating feminists a threat to national security after one tried to kill him.
No Trump ally received cash from Pivotal Ventures.
You are the most zealous anti-feminist I have ever seen on any website and you still blindly support Trump after he did what you would consider as blasphemy if anyone else ever did it.
You clearly have different standards for Trump compared to anyone else.
It is depressing that he was right about atleast some of his cultists when he said this in 2016.
https://archive.ph/pnJZy
Having TDS is wrong but so is blindly worshipping this man and ignoring all of his many fuck-ups.
Trump supported drafting women when it was reviewed in 2020, don't forget that.
You are making my point for me that Trump is undisciplined.
The military is already being harmed by DEI policies and wokeness
Why would I support drafting women and weakening it further?
I support ending the draft for everyone.
Because it stops women like Von Der Leyen starting wars just to throw us in.
They should be drafting exclusively women for offensive wars. The United States is not at risk, so send the useless ones.
Yeah, now let's see him put his money where his mouth is and divest Florida's civil infrastructure from all of that WEF money. He's already had four years to do that, and he hasn't. He also hasn't lifted a finger to stop the Chinese from buying up thousands of acres of Floridian land.
Better yet, let's see DeSantis fund a Presidential campaign without relying on investment from WEF-related donors. There's only one serious MAGA candidate who can do that, because he can fund his own campaign.
The GOP leadership and the rest of the establishment are astroturfing DeSantis so hard precisely because they know that, unlike Trump, he can't gain office without making himself beholden to them.
If DeSantis manages to get elected president, it will only be because the roadblocks in place to stop Trump have been removed for him. Making him controlled opposition.
If he sticks to his stated intention not to run against Trump, then and only then will he have my support for 2028.
This is some deranged Trump 2024 cultism.
Your "MAGA" candidate still brags about how many lives he saved with Operation Warpspeed and constantly says that the lockdowns were also necessary to save millions of lives.
Your candidate didn't pardon any of the non-violent J6 Trump supporters. He didn't pardon Assange or Snowden and yet he pardoned that rat Jared Kushner's criminal father.
His 2024 campaign will fail in the primaries if we are lucky or if we are unlucky it will fail in the general and Biden gets an easy four more years.
Trump is an old undisciplined incompetent man. We can certainly do much better for 2024.
Posts thread after thread gushing over Ron DeSantis as if he's the second coming and then accuses me of cultism.
I would rather see Rand Paul in the White House over anyone else, but that doesn't stop me from seeing this DeSantis astroturf glowie bullshit for what it is.
Trump remains the candidate that the establishment are most afraid of, and that is enough for me.
Trump is the easiest candidate for the establishment to beat. They even rigged it against him when he was the incumbent.
He can never win a general election again.
The Dems will boost Trump in the 2024 primaries because they would love to run against him.
This year Dems boosted 7 Trump affiliated candidates in the Republican primaries and all seven of them lost.
https://archive.ph/tOkD7
Mail in ballot bullshit definitely make it hard for any Republican candidate to win but it is clear that the Trump brand is just pure poison to independent voters.
We cannot win the suburbs with Trump on the ticket. We need suburban voters to even have a shot to win AZ, WI, PA and GA.
Trump 2024ers are foolishly falling for Democrat tricks again.
And here you go full Styxhexenhammer, expounding about voting demographics and opinion polls as if they matter in rigged elections.
The idea that the Dems were astroturfing candidates like Kari Lake is the most absurd thing you've said yet. They were just as terrified of her as they are of Trump, which is why they worked so hard to rig the vote against her.
If Ron DeSantis is the anti-esablishment threat that you are so desperate for us to believe he is, then the same establishment forces which contrived so hard to deny Trump the 2020 election, and Lake the Arizona governor's race, will do the same to him.
If Trump can't win and DeSantis is truly a genuine alternative anti-globalist anti-establishment candidate, then DeSantis can't win either. If DeSantis can win where Trump can't, it proves that he is establishment controlled.
They will always try to rig it against anyone Republican who runs but Trump is uniquely toxic with indie voters.
Trump is the only R candidate in 2024 that has truly a zero percent chance of victory.
I am not saying DeSantis has a 100 percent chance of victory, his real chance is maybe 40 percent if he actually utilizes ballot harvesting in swing states like the California GOP does.
I am adamantly against Trump 2024 because it is the singular most suicidal option.
Trump is incapable of adapting. He always says unnecessary shit. He repulses independents like no one else.
Trump 2024ers just don't understand the political landscape.
There is no political landscape. A political landscape is what you have when your elections are legitimate, and actually depend on convincing a plurality of voters to support you. I will not be gaslit into debating anyone's appeal to different voting blocs as if that's going to make a difference.
I want Trump to run precisely because his bravado, his aggressiveness, his confrontational nature, his charisma and his "toxicity" are what will motivate his supporters, who turned out more legitimate votes for him in 2020 than any presidential candidate in history, to take the necessary action to fix the election system, even if he "loses."
A DeSantis win would be a continuation of the status quo just as much as a DeSantis loss would be. And it's moot anyway, because he's already said he won't run if Trump does, and Trump is running. If he goes back on that, it won't matter how many independents he attracts, because the Republican base will not support him.
DeSantis has never said publically that he will not run against Trump.
Richard Baris is the only person claiming that happened at Hillsdale college.
If DeSantis wins a primary and the base still would rather sit out and end up with four more years of Biden, then the base can not call themselves America first.
The base are not patriots if they do this.
Someone who loves the country would not throw it all away over their total worship of one egomaniac.
If Trump won the nomination over DeSantis I would begrudgingly still vote for Trump in the general even though he cannot win.
Trump 2024ers are cultists if they cannot reciprocate this if DeSantis won the primary.
He's talking as if he plans on running for President.
He is clearly running. That 19 point win in Florida demands he must run
Then Dems win 2024, sorry but because Trump is openly running, NO candidate other than Trump has a shot at being a successful nominee to then be president in 2024. Trump's base is far too loyal and if the party tries to screw him out of running again, they'll sit on their hands and let you lose out of spite.
While you're right that the Forever Trumpers will probably not vote out of spite if their god emperor doesn't win, there is no way for Trump to win the general election. So Trump should graciously bow out of the race or we should all accept that there will be another 6 years of Dems in the White House.
There's no need to blackpill as there are steps we can take, as shown by the recent school board take over, we need to deprive them everywhere we can, from resources, new people to groom and indoctrinate and legitimacy. If you can tighten the rules around voting so an election day ends with an election result, Trump can win. If not, deprive them at a grassroots level of any power so outside the blue cities anything they declare or instruct falls on deaf ears.
I guess we'll see over the next two years whether the right (however you define that, GOP, America First, MAGA, liberty oriented people, etc.) is serious about winning. The far and away #1 priority needs to be eliminating election month and mail in voting, and at the same time, building the ground team to ballot harvest in places where mail in voting won't be eliminated (like in CA). If this doesn't happen, then neither Trump or DeSantis, or anyone else will win in 24.
It's sad to say this but if America had the same Election rules as Europe, Trump would easily win..
If his base will spitefully do this and usher in four more years of Biden than they are truly not America first at all.
Why would any patriot allow for the continual destruction of the country you live in just to foolishly simp for one egomaniac?
Trump will lose the general election even if he wins the primary.
I don't think you really understand, the voters NEVER vote based on logic, it's off feelings, and base that supports Trump want one thing, revenge.
They want to burn the whole house down, both Democrats AND Republican leadership then piss on the ashes after. They don't care about electablity or optics, they want Trump back in office because for one when he was in they felt good for the first time in years and two they feel thanks to how he got screwed over if he's back in he'll do what Elon is currently doing at Twitter and purging them all.
Anything less than that and they just refuse to support any other candidate and focus on something else, hell the move to bulkanize or even have full secession of states from the Union may gain more steam. That's what the current feeling is, trying to say Desantis will win or be more effective will fall on deaf ears especially if Republican leaders like Mitch or even Romney say to endorse him over Trump, that actually weakens his standing.
The base will behave like emotional retards is what you are telling me here.
I will pray that they don't do this in 2024.
Are you implying they ever voted any other way throughout ALL of history?
Emotion is king and just as the left will vote for pedos and braindead invalids because they are on their side, the right can vote in war mongers, snakes and a really sweaty man.
Voters run off emotion, always have, always will, so if they latch on to someone not because of party politics but because they genuinely like him and feel good, DON'T screw him over as that feeling will turn to spite, and their ire will fall on anyone you try to replace them with.
Beating Trump in a primary is not screwing him over.
He is not owed a free coronation.
If he is the man you think he is, he can win a primary against anyone who runs against him.
The base sitting out an election if Trump is not the nominee is selfish and not America first at all.
I personally will begrudgingly vote for Trump if he wins the primary.
I think he has no chance in the general but I will still vote for the nominee.
It greatly pisses me off that Trump 2024ers are unwilling to reciprocate this if DeSantis wins the primary.
I don't think it matters who runs for president when elections are rigged. Local votes are the only things that matter as far as voting is concerned. We just need this whole thing to burn to the ground as quickly as possible so that we can start building something decent again. Fuck Trump, Fuck Desantis, Fuck Biden. Biden will make things miserable for people and burn it down the quickest so vote for him.
Accelerationism is a retarded ideology.
You think if things get bad enough your dreams will magically come true?
That is not what happens.
People adapt to worsening conditions and they forget how life was before it.
Accelerationism is self-genocide.
If you think Biden isn't going to get 25th'd by this time next year I have a bridge to sell you.
A Bush will never be able to win any Republican primary again.
This is a retarded comparison.
I never voted for W. Bush.
Muh establishment.
Trump won't condemn the WEF.
He constantly brags about Operation Warpspeed and says the lockdowns were necessary but I am supposed to think he is anti-establishment?
So many mental gymnastics here.
All it takes is denouncing literal international communism.
Meanwhile
This is the absolute state of American conservatism.
Calling it now, Ron DeSantis did not kill himself
what would be unfathomably based is declaring open season on any wef in florida. kill a wef and can prove it's wef? cash reward depending on how high up it is.
Hard mode : Condemn the NOW. His words mean absolutely fucking zero, that retard in Canada condemned the WEF and she still refuses to admit the vaccines disproportionately harmed males.
The NOW is nowhere near as powerful as the WEF.
Women are shrill globalist pawns not the ones pulling the strings.
No, I don't.
So he should have no problem disavowing them.
The Republican Senatorial Committee funds are controlled by Rick Scott, an ally of the NOW who betrayed men for his whole time as FL governor.
Who pushed for him to be elected Senate Majority Leader? Marco Rubio, backed by the Brookings Institute, another NOW spawn, funded by Melinda Gates.
The senators backing a DeSantis run privately are the same senators who received money from Pivotal Ventures for the mid-terms.
Maybe DeSantis (Pivotal Ventures-FL) should stick to being a TERF puppet crying about women's sports.
Not a word about Title IX and how his NOW friends plan to destroy due process permanently. I wonder why that is.
I really wish you'd stop opining on American politics. You bring nothing to the discussion.
I think the fact that he can supposedly challenge the globalist empire but can't stand up to a bunch of blue haired lesbian lawyers is a pretty big red flag.
Whether you agree or disagree with me that the NOW is more powerful than immediately obvious, you have to admit that he hasn't once stood up against them, a trend continuing from his predecessor, Rick Scott.
If he's the strong man who will destroy the globalists, how come he's so scared of feminists, people you believe to be way less powerful.
You: Impy brings nothing to the discussion.
Also you: Jooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooze
Cry some more.
Alberta's new interim premier Danielle Smith?
I think so? I don't know them by name.