Isn't it strange how people like Richard Baris and Robert Barnes all cry "muh establishment" whenever someone even mentions DeSantis and yet DeSantis is condemning the WEF?
Trump has been silent on the WEF and their evil policies.
Hell, Trump is still out there pimping Operation Warpspeed and saying lockdowns were necessary in 2020, these Trump 2024 guys have nothing to say about that.
Sad what has happened to these once smart people.
Baris and Barnes used to have really insightful information in terms of political commentary, legal discussion as well as polling data.
Nowadays they both have gone full cultist like that arrogant retard Jack Posobiec and they just jerk off about Trump the whole time.
I like DeSantis, but condemning the WEF, while nice, doesn't absolve someone from being establishment or establishment lite. If anything the blatant efforts by the establishment at the moment to crown him in an effort to knock off orange man do much more to show just who it is that is preferable to the establishment.
these Trump 2024 guys have nothing to say about that
They pretty frequently rip on him for it. Just a day or two ago there was yet another tweet circling around that both of those guys retweeted that ripped him for it.
I get that your whole shtick is that you love DeSantis and hate orange man, but trying to shit on Barnes and Baris calling them cultists just because they are noting the very blatant attempts to promote DeSantis to sow discord is unproductive at best and actively aiding in those efforts at worst.
Barnes is knowledgeable and all the more deeply untrustworthy for it. My take is that he is a crusader for the status quo since that is the best way to maintain a stable society in which he, Barnes, will continue to get selected as the first choice lawyer for 'dissidents'. Anyone else saying anything more dangerous than him or likely to challenge for his spot as the newsgrabbing free speech, pro-constitution lawyer will get the full force of his mockery and ire - such as Giuliani when he was rightfully shitting on Dominion. Everything Barnes said at the time was promoting safe, neutered challenges through compromised courts, while he laughingly dunked on accurate allegations such as those of massive widespread, corporate-abetted fraud. And then the judges threw everything out.
Damn activist judges! How corrupt! Grr, we'll get em next time as long as Trump picks me
-Barnes.
Now that the 2020 election's long in the past and the midterms are fading too, he's happy to cry fraud, fraud, fraud. Because it's safe, it won't make anyone angry enough to actually change anything, yet it makes him look subversive. Same with airing out hoary old stories of 3-letter agencies on his 'hush hush'. Yeah that's great, but what have you leaked for me lately?
I have recently had similar doubts about him as well.
Something about him rubs me the wrong way.
Looks like he constantly employs the tactic of a limited hangout where he will talk about something true but will make sure to not touch on anything truly subversive.
I see Jack Posobeic and TheLastRefuge guy from the conservative treehouse also do this exact sort of thing.
I don't trust any of these political commentators these days.
Limited hangout, bingo. There are a lot of these around lately and they're poisonous. Keep your eyes out for Jeffrey Sachs doing the rounds on the podcast circuit these days: a chummy friendly old professor type who calls out the lying press and just tells it like it is, goshdarnit! (but also happens to be the chair of the covid 19 commission report, a WHO cheerleader and crusader for structural adjustment, absolute WEF viper)
I have recently had similar doubts about him as well.
Something about him rubs me the wrong way.
One of the big red flags for Barnes for me was when the whole Jack Murphy controversy broke at the beginning of the year, Barnes threatened to sue people for libel for anyone who was dunking on Jack. And he said this was because he had represented Jack in the past. This had two implications. First, his opinions are for sale. This should be obvious given that he's a TV lawyer. Second, his legal arguments are for sale and do not depend on the actual law. The truth, such as Jack places dildos in his ass and talks about cucking and fucking dudes, is an absolute defense to libel claims and Barnes knows this. But you can pay Barnes to argue anything about the law. This should also be obvious given that he's a TV lawyer. But the bottom line is that you can never take what he says at face value.
I've mostly stopped watching Barnes because his partner Viva surreptitiously left Canada without being honest with his audience first (while also leaving all the pro-convoy folks behind to fight battles themselves).
I don't necessarily think it's odd for lawyers to hold heterodox and defensive views regarding former clients like Jack Murphy.
There's likely a complex interplay between not wanting to accidentally break client-attorney privilege, not wanting to deep six the prospect of future legal work from said client along with not wanting to send a signal to the industry as well as prospective future clients that you are willing to throw past clients under the bus.
That's what I said. I would have called Klaus a fucking Nazi along with all his other Green Party members because they were either former members or children of former members of the National Socialist German Workers Party.
If I'm going against Red Skull with Orange Man or Florida Man, I'll take either, but don't discount Orange Man.
I already don't trust Barnes, but I'm not aware what he did (other than shit on the defence team for the entire trial because he wasn't on it). What did he do?
The TLDR version is that he demanded to be the face of the case and withdrew his resources when he thought they were disrespecting him. He also refused to listen to the other Defense attorneys when they said that they knew what they were doing and had argued in front of that judge and local juries. He also insisted on his whole jury selection theory that is actually a fairly controversial idea that is highly debated if it even works (hence why they didn’t trust it). And we have since learned the jury was on Kyles side the second they walked in to deliberation and just wanted to look at all evidence again before making their ruling (rather than his theory of political jurors).
So he is not as smart as he seems, at least outside of Constitutional law.
You got me expecting a lot so when you come in with that it just seems like you're grasping at straws. A lot of that just seems like their word versus his. The defense was pretty terrible in that case and Barnes was far from the only person pointing it out. Essentially every single lawyer I watched said similar things.
And we have since learned the jury was on Kyles side the second they walked in to deliberation
Where did we supposedly learn this? Realistically the only way we would learn this was one of the jurors speaking up about it, and I have a hard time believing any of them would ever try to spin it as "yeah some of us were being political hacks and were slowly forced to acknowledge he was innocent."
Regardless, going from memory when I've heard him talking about jury selection, it's always about analyzing demographics and specific types of people that make up the local communities to get a better inkling which way they may lean in the case. I'm not a lawyer, so would you be able to explain what aspect of his jury selection philosophy is controversial?
He's not as smart as he seems, but Kyle's lead attorney was arguably shit, and when he came out on day 2 or something and said they were trying to throw the case; I'd already come to that conclusion. They were bumbling and incompetent. We'd already seen where solid facts and evidence with a competent attorney can land you in a partisan trial after the George Floyd trial: life sentences for you and everyone who was around you in contradiction to all available evidence.
See my response to the other post. TLDR is large ego and Dick measuring with the other Defense lawyers, while refusing to believe they knew what they were doing.
Trump has been silent on the WEF and their evil policies.
Trump went to WEF and said to Klaus Schwab's face that America would never be a socialist country, promoted free market economies, and lambasted climate alarmism. I will grant you that he didn't say, "You're a fucking Nazi" like I would have, but that's called being diplomatic in the fucking shark den. Not to mention, considering his cabinet was surrounded by WEF surrogates, there were probably people there telling him that it would look really good to suck Klaus's dick on stage.
Hell, Trump is still out there pimping Operation Warpspeed and saying lockdowns were necessary in 2020, these Trump 2024 guys have nothing to say about that.
I have no problem with Operation Warpspeed because that was a good measure to get medicine out to people who were likely going to die in hospitals. Trump was told that twenty million people would be dead by December 2020. Back in March and April, the death rate of Covid patients on ventilators was 85%, and it was the only known treatment. If you got Covid, and you went to the hospital, you fucking died. Italy was loosing it's mind about this because people dropping like flies and they had no idea why (ventilators were a bad solution).
If you need to get experimental medical research out to reduce the death rate down to less than a million by skipping the safety steps, then that's what you do.
Given the possibility in March and April that he's being told that this could kill 20 million people, and it emerged next door to a biological research facility in China, he was looking at the possibility that this genuinely was a biological weapon attack on the US. And if it is, locking everyone down could potentially slow the spread and identify outbreak centers assuming that there were outbreak centers to be identified.
In reality, the disease entered the US earlier than December 25th. After the first 2-week period of lockdowns revealed that every county in the US had a case, the lockdowns became worthless because the disease was already endemic. I remember in February and early March buying supplies while the media pretended it wasn't even a thing and couldn't be transmitted to humans while the Chinese used agents to buy tonnes of medical supplies and send them back to China.
The lockdowns should have ended there, but Trump can't necessarily force the Governor of Minnesota, California, or New York to not impose them. He could try and have sued to stop them for some sort of 5th amendment violation, but the judiciary was for lockdowns, Fauci was for lockdowns, and people were for lockdowns unless they were already anti-establishment republicans.
That being said, an injection with an injury rate of 1:10,000 is better than Covid if you're a 350 lbs man in his 60's that needs a CPAP machine to sleep. You're already gonna die of a heart attack, so the possibility of myocharditis isn't really an issue. Choking on your own blood from Covid because of your weak immune system, circulation, and already well over taxed lungs is the more pressing concern.
But that's why it's supposed to be voluntary.
Baris and Barnes used to have really insightful information in terms of political commentary, legal discussion as well as polling data. Nowadays they both have gone full cultist like that arrogant retard Jack Posobiec and they just jerk off about Trump the whole time.
If you think Robert Barnes is a Trump cultist, you're a fool. He constantly criticizes Trump, especially for his Federalist Society judicial appointments.
Barnes doesn't believe that DeSantis even wants to run, but is being pressured and incentivized into it by monied interests that are hoping to destroy both, which is true.
Isn't it strange how people like Richard Baris and Robert Barnes all cry "muh establishment" whenever someone even mentions DeSantis and yet DeSantis is condemning the WEF?
Trump has been silent on the WEF and their evil policies.
Hell, Trump is still out there pimping Operation Warpspeed and saying lockdowns were necessary in 2020, these Trump 2024 guys have nothing to say about that.
Sad what has happened to these once smart people.
Baris and Barnes used to have really insightful information in terms of political commentary, legal discussion as well as polling data.
Nowadays they both have gone full cultist like that arrogant retard Jack Posobiec and they just jerk off about Trump the whole time.
I like DeSantis, but condemning the WEF, while nice, doesn't absolve someone from being establishment or establishment lite. If anything the blatant efforts by the establishment at the moment to crown him in an effort to knock off orange man do much more to show just who it is that is preferable to the establishment.
They pretty frequently rip on him for it. Just a day or two ago there was yet another tweet circling around that both of those guys retweeted that ripped him for it.
I get that your whole shtick is that you love DeSantis and hate orange man, but trying to shit on Barnes and Baris calling them cultists just because they are noting the very blatant attempts to promote DeSantis to sow discord is unproductive at best and actively aiding in those efforts at worst.
It’s because stupid people are picking sides in a fight that was never happening trump v desantis is Astro turfed bs
Amazing people don't realize this.
Barnes is knowledgeable and all the more deeply untrustworthy for it. My take is that he is a crusader for the status quo since that is the best way to maintain a stable society in which he, Barnes, will continue to get selected as the first choice lawyer for 'dissidents'. Anyone else saying anything more dangerous than him or likely to challenge for his spot as the newsgrabbing free speech, pro-constitution lawyer will get the full force of his mockery and ire - such as Giuliani when he was rightfully shitting on Dominion. Everything Barnes said at the time was promoting safe, neutered challenges through compromised courts, while he laughingly dunked on accurate allegations such as those of massive widespread, corporate-abetted fraud. And then the judges threw everything out.
-Barnes.
Now that the 2020 election's long in the past and the midterms are fading too, he's happy to cry fraud, fraud, fraud. Because it's safe, it won't make anyone angry enough to actually change anything, yet it makes him look subversive. Same with airing out hoary old stories of 3-letter agencies on his 'hush hush'. Yeah that's great, but what have you leaked for me lately?
Interesting observations about Barnes.
I have recently had similar doubts about him as well.
Something about him rubs me the wrong way.
Looks like he constantly employs the tactic of a limited hangout where he will talk about something true but will make sure to not touch on anything truly subversive.
I see Jack Posobeic and TheLastRefuge guy from the conservative treehouse also do this exact sort of thing.
I don't trust any of these political commentators these days.
They all have their little scheming agendas.
Limited hangout, bingo. There are a lot of these around lately and they're poisonous. Keep your eyes out for Jeffrey Sachs doing the rounds on the podcast circuit these days: a chummy friendly old professor type who calls out the lying press and just tells it like it is, goshdarnit! (but also happens to be the chair of the covid 19 commission report, a WHO cheerleader and crusader for structural adjustment, absolute WEF viper)
One of the big red flags for Barnes for me was when the whole Jack Murphy controversy broke at the beginning of the year, Barnes threatened to sue people for libel for anyone who was dunking on Jack. And he said this was because he had represented Jack in the past. This had two implications. First, his opinions are for sale. This should be obvious given that he's a TV lawyer. Second, his legal arguments are for sale and do not depend on the actual law. The truth, such as Jack places dildos in his ass and talks about cucking and fucking dudes, is an absolute defense to libel claims and Barnes knows this. But you can pay Barnes to argue anything about the law. This should also be obvious given that he's a TV lawyer. But the bottom line is that you can never take what he says at face value.
I've mostly stopped watching Barnes because his partner Viva surreptitiously left Canada without being honest with his audience first (while also leaving all the pro-convoy folks behind to fight battles themselves).
I don't necessarily think it's odd for lawyers to hold heterodox and defensive views regarding former clients like Jack Murphy.
There's likely a complex interplay between not wanting to accidentally break client-attorney privilege, not wanting to deep six the prospect of future legal work from said client along with not wanting to send a signal to the industry as well as prospective future clients that you are willing to throw past clients under the bus.
Trump has gone to the fucking WEF and called them out bud.
That's what I said. I would have called Klaus a fucking Nazi along with all his other Green Party members because they were either former members or children of former members of the National Socialist German Workers Party.
If I'm going against Red Skull with Orange Man or Florida Man, I'll take either, but don't discount Orange Man.
Anyone who still trust Barnes after it came out what he did in the Rittenhouse case is not paying attention.
I already don't trust Barnes, but I'm not aware what he did (other than shit on the defence team for the entire trial because he wasn't on it). What did he do?
The TLDR version is that he demanded to be the face of the case and withdrew his resources when he thought they were disrespecting him. He also refused to listen to the other Defense attorneys when they said that they knew what they were doing and had argued in front of that judge and local juries. He also insisted on his whole jury selection theory that is actually a fairly controversial idea that is highly debated if it even works (hence why they didn’t trust it). And we have since learned the jury was on Kyles side the second they walked in to deliberation and just wanted to look at all evidence again before making their ruling (rather than his theory of political jurors).
So he is not as smart as he seems, at least outside of Constitutional law.
You got me expecting a lot so when you come in with that it just seems like you're grasping at straws. A lot of that just seems like their word versus his. The defense was pretty terrible in that case and Barnes was far from the only person pointing it out. Essentially every single lawyer I watched said similar things.
Where did we supposedly learn this? Realistically the only way we would learn this was one of the jurors speaking up about it, and I have a hard time believing any of them would ever try to spin it as "yeah some of us were being political hacks and were slowly forced to acknowledge he was innocent."
Regardless, going from memory when I've heard him talking about jury selection, it's always about analyzing demographics and specific types of people that make up the local communities to get a better inkling which way they may lean in the case. I'm not a lawyer, so would you be able to explain what aspect of his jury selection philosophy is controversial?
He's not as smart as he seems, but Kyle's lead attorney was arguably shit, and when he came out on day 2 or something and said they were trying to throw the case; I'd already come to that conclusion. They were bumbling and incompetent. We'd already seen where solid facts and evidence with a competent attorney can land you in a partisan trial after the George Floyd trial: life sentences for you and everyone who was around you in contradiction to all available evidence.
Yeah, all I remember was that Barnes was removed from the Rittenhouse defense team immediately before jury selection.
He was joking on stream that he now had a beautiful lakefront cabin in Milwaukee in October/November that he was looking to sublet.
What did he do in the Rittenhouse case? I've followed him pretty closely for years and can't think of what you're getting at.
See my response to the other post. TLDR is large ego and Dick measuring with the other Defense lawyers, while refusing to believe they knew what they were doing.
Trump went to WEF and said to Klaus Schwab's face that America would never be a socialist country, promoted free market economies, and lambasted climate alarmism. I will grant you that he didn't say, "You're a fucking Nazi" like I would have, but that's called being diplomatic in the fucking shark den. Not to mention, considering his cabinet was surrounded by WEF surrogates, there were probably people there telling him that it would look really good to suck Klaus's dick on stage.
I have no problem with Operation Warpspeed because that was a good measure to get medicine out to people who were likely going to die in hospitals. Trump was told that twenty million people would be dead by December 2020. Back in March and April, the death rate of Covid patients on ventilators was 85%, and it was the only known treatment. If you got Covid, and you went to the hospital, you fucking died. Italy was loosing it's mind about this because people dropping like flies and they had no idea why (ventilators were a bad solution).
If you need to get experimental medical research out to reduce the death rate down to less than a million by skipping the safety steps, then that's what you do.
Given the possibility in March and April that he's being told that this could kill 20 million people, and it emerged next door to a biological research facility in China, he was looking at the possibility that this genuinely was a biological weapon attack on the US. And if it is, locking everyone down could potentially slow the spread and identify outbreak centers assuming that there were outbreak centers to be identified.
In reality, the disease entered the US earlier than December 25th. After the first 2-week period of lockdowns revealed that every county in the US had a case, the lockdowns became worthless because the disease was already endemic. I remember in February and early March buying supplies while the media pretended it wasn't even a thing and couldn't be transmitted to humans while the Chinese used agents to buy tonnes of medical supplies and send them back to China.
The lockdowns should have ended there, but Trump can't necessarily force the Governor of Minnesota, California, or New York to not impose them. He could try and have sued to stop them for some sort of 5th amendment violation, but the judiciary was for lockdowns, Fauci was for lockdowns, and people were for lockdowns unless they were already anti-establishment republicans.
That being said, an injection with an injury rate of 1:10,000 is better than Covid if you're a 350 lbs man in his 60's that needs a CPAP machine to sleep. You're already gonna die of a heart attack, so the possibility of myocharditis isn't really an issue. Choking on your own blood from Covid because of your weak immune system, circulation, and already well over taxed lungs is the more pressing concern.
But that's why it's supposed to be voluntary.
If you think Robert Barnes is a Trump cultist, you're a fool. He constantly criticizes Trump, especially for his Federalist Society judicial appointments.
Barnes doesn't believe that DeSantis even wants to run, but is being pressured and incentivized into it by monied interests that are hoping to destroy both, which is true.