I looked up the statistics on how likely pregnancy/childbirth was to result in the death of the mother historically:
By 1850 it was about 5 per 1,000 births, so 0.5%.
It remained at about 0.5% until the 1930s, at which point it began to drop extremely fast, likely because this is when penicillin and some other things were invented, and modern hospitals became standard.
by the 1970s, the mortality rate from pregnancy/childbirth had dropped to 0.08 per 1,000 births, so 0.008%.
Literally violence, murder, and torture though, you guys. The libs have devolved into a cult that worships abortion to the point of total insanity. And I say this as someone who is generally pro-abortion because it culls a lot of low quality people and future criminals.
And I say this as someone who is generally pro-abortion because it culls a lot of low quality people and future criminals.
I'm also less opposed to abortion than most people here. I don't call myself pro choice because a) It's a not good way to describe my beliefs and b) a man using that label makes himself sound like a simp. It's more that I don't have strong opinions on the subject either way. It's her precious choice, so she can get off her pampered ass and fight for it. I got a kick out of Dobbs because for once the feminists weren't handed their way on silver platter. It's also their just deserts for abandoning "my body my choice" when it came to the clotshot mandates. It's about time these evil cunts face the consequences of their actions.
"feminism" is a morally and intellectually bankrupt ideology. It's funny how we got to see the Left go insane all at once, with the blacks trying to burn everything down in 2020, the trannies flexing their mental illness, and now the total feminist mental meltdown over the clearly-wrong Roe v. Wade finally being thrown out.
And in a few weeks, we are going to have a Red Wave election, and all these groups which are already teetering on the brink will explode in an orgy of cope and seethe.
No, abortion is negative eugenics - the suppression of an unhealthy genome.
In reality, it's mostly the suppression of an unhealthy memome, as propensity to abort voluntarily tracks more closely with unhealthy memes than unhealthy genes (though one could argue at least a correlative relationship between genes and memes, if not an outright causative one).
Worth pointing out, the 1800s had an elevated rate of deaths from childbirth compared to both before and after. This was because women having doctors help deliver the baby (instead of a midwife) had become common by that point, but germ theory still hadnt caught on and doctors hygeine was poor.
Midwives actually had better rates for mother's survival in the 1800s because unlike the doctors they weren't touching sick people all day. Whereas doctors went straight from touching corpses and draining cysts to sticking their hands up in the uterus, which led to deadly infections, midwives didnt handle biohazards.
Doctors of the day were so desperate to look better than midwives that they actually cancelled one of the most important figures in germ theory because he told them to wash their hands before delivering a baby. (And by extension, implied that they had killed women previously by not washing their hands.)
The guy's name was Ignaz Semmelweis and he died in disgrace for the crime of trying to save women from doctors and their pathological arrogance.
"Semmelweis was puzzled that puerperal fever was rare among women giving street births. "To me, it appeared logical that patients who experienced street births would become ill at least as frequently as those who delivered in the clinic. [...] What protected those who delivered outside the clinic from these destructive unknown endemic influences?"
Yeah, you read that right, it was safer to push out a baby on the street than in the hospital. But people preferred hospitals because they got childcare benefits if they did things the "right way," and none if they gave birth at home. Thanks government.
And the dude who figured it out was checked into an insane asylum against his will and died from the beatings and resultant gangrene.
Moral of the story: never cross the government or interrupt their collusion with the medical system.
Also worth point out that most mother's mortality stats from ye olden days only track hospitals, because no one was recording the home births. But hospitals were the least safe place to deliver a child, which drags the averages artificially higher than they really were.
And the dude who figured it out was checked into an insane asylum against his will and died from the beatings and resultant gangrene.
Moral of the story: never cross the government or interrupt their collusion with the medical system.
Absolutely goddamned right. Dr. Malone and his like-minded colleagues who have been smeared and pilloried for their criticisms prove that not much has changed.
Because it's natural and the natural order is bad for these guys. What is in the natural order:
Survival of the fittest or smartest
Roles for members of a hierarchical group
Importance on offspring over those that can't produce
These leftists reject it all as it means they aren't number 1 in life. If they have children, they fear nature will reclaim it's grip thanks to all of it's biology and they'll care more for the baby than themselves. You know, like a normal parent.
It’s rather sad that I grew up not thinking your last sentence was normal…
That’s so far from my own experience that it isn’t funny. Which, frankly, makes complete sense…
I was always astounded when I met other kids whose parents treated them like individual human beings with their own value, because I did not have that…
I never had that. And it fucked me up more than I would ever care to admit.
Which perhaps just proves that some people shouldn’t be parents. Regardless of ideology/background/whatever…
Grow up with abusive parents, no siblings and isolated from most of society.
You get “used to” it, I guess. But in essence I was an outlet (for them), to be controlled at all times, with very limited personal “agency”, in my life choices, if you will.
Okay white-knights. The only thing to do is invent a functioning, cheap and ubiquitous artificial womb. That way women won't ever need to bear children again. Go ahead. Make it happen. Beneficial side effects are that we won't need women anymore so we'll never again have to listen to this kind of pathetic, wanton bitching.
Sex robots invented, programmed with simp-optimized personalities based on top anime waifus
Simps defect to robo-waifus en masse, leaving biological women on their own
Feminist women try to save themselves by attacking the robo-waifus and trying to shame their simp owners, utterly fail
Feminism is completely crushed as a social force, with women needing to compete with robo-waifus to retain any value to society
Society reverts to an explicitly patriarchal form, with maybe 10% of women exceptional enough to exist in competitive male environments, and the rest relegated to support roles or, failing that, to wallow in squalor and poverty as holes for the men too poor to afford robo-waifus. Of course the ~10% exceptional women show no solidarity or allegiance to other women, and in fact lead the charge to denigrate and suppress them and their "rights".
Hopefully we can research life extension to the point where I can witness a society so based. The War in Afghanistan showed the world how worthless women are in standing up for themselves if their simps abandon them.
The Taliban never died because Afghan men didn't like the Westernization of Afghanistan, in particular women's rights.
The Afghan National Army was not willing to fight and die for women's rights. Despite its huge size on paper, only about 10k of them were actually willing to fight.
So despite being suppressed for 20 years and having enormous numbers of men killed, the Taliban were able to take the country back over with only a few thousand fighters.
And why?
Because women have no will to fight. Despite being half the population, they didn't lift a finger to defend what they had gained.
That proves that women have the entirety of their rights by the grace of men, and men alone. If men won't fight for women, women will end up Shariah style.
They never do. Most of their "rights" through history were gained by begging men to give them to them, instead of actually fighting for them.
When they do actually go out and "fight" for them, its always when society is at a state where there isn't much actual threat to them and they are surrounded by likeminded individuals.
As far as they're concerned the real punishment is having to care about anyone but themselves. Abortion and other contraception allows them to live like hedonistic children their whole lives. Personal responsibility is the modern woman's kryptonite.
My cousin dropped dead after getting the clotshot but we can't draw any conclusions from that.
In any case my wife got an epidural with both deliveries and in both cases the pain vanished to the point she slept through contractions. Fuck, women have given birth while in a coma. It's a normal, natural process--there is some indication that our modern attempts to 'help' delivery are often causing worse issues, i.e. aggressive pushing instead of relying on the fetal ejection reflex.
Pregnancy as punishment is more than have a century old feminism talk. I mean, all sex used to be rape to them (and for most still is, they just wait to pull the card until its beneficial), so why wouldn't a consequence of sex be considered a horrible unjust punishment?
I looked up the statistics on how likely pregnancy/childbirth was to result in the death of the mother historically:
By 1850 it was about 5 per 1,000 births, so 0.5%.
It remained at about 0.5% until the 1930s, at which point it began to drop extremely fast, likely because this is when penicillin and some other things were invented, and modern hospitals became standard.
by the 1970s, the mortality rate from pregnancy/childbirth had dropped to 0.08 per 1,000 births, so 0.008%.
Literally violence, murder, and torture though, you guys. The libs have devolved into a cult that worships abortion to the point of total insanity. And I say this as someone who is generally pro-abortion because it culls a lot of low quality people and future criminals.
I'm also less opposed to abortion than most people here. I don't call myself pro choice because a) It's a not good way to describe my beliefs and b) a man using that label makes himself sound like a simp. It's more that I don't have strong opinions on the subject either way. It's her precious choice, so she can get off her pampered ass and fight for it. I got a kick out of Dobbs because for once the feminists weren't handed their way on silver platter. It's also their just deserts for abandoning "my body my choice" when it came to the clotshot mandates. It's about time these evil cunts face the consequences of their actions.
"feminism" is a morally and intellectually bankrupt ideology. It's funny how we got to see the Left go insane all at once, with the blacks trying to burn everything down in 2020, the trannies flexing their mental illness, and now the total feminist mental meltdown over the clearly-wrong Roe v. Wade finally being thrown out.
And in a few weeks, we are going to have a Red Wave election, and all these groups which are already teetering on the brink will explode in an orgy of cope and seethe.
I can't wait. Invest heavily in popcorn futures.
Not so sure about the Red Wave mate. I fully expect another election fortification.
No, abortion is negative eugenics - the suppression of an unhealthy genome.
In reality, it's mostly the suppression of an unhealthy memome, as propensity to abort voluntarily tracks more closely with unhealthy memes than unhealthy genes (though one could argue at least a correlative relationship between genes and memes, if not an outright causative one).
I think the ritual child sacrifice on the altar of hedonism is responsible for more of the rot than we realize.
Worth pointing out, the 1800s had an elevated rate of deaths from childbirth compared to both before and after. This was because women having doctors help deliver the baby (instead of a midwife) had become common by that point, but germ theory still hadnt caught on and doctors hygeine was poor.
Midwives actually had better rates for mother's survival in the 1800s because unlike the doctors they weren't touching sick people all day. Whereas doctors went straight from touching corpses and draining cysts to sticking their hands up in the uterus, which led to deadly infections, midwives didnt handle biohazards.
Doctors of the day were so desperate to look better than midwives that they actually cancelled one of the most important figures in germ theory because he told them to wash their hands before delivering a baby. (And by extension, implied that they had killed women previously by not washing their hands.)
The guy's name was Ignaz Semmelweis and he died in disgrace for the crime of trying to save women from doctors and their pathological arrogance.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Semmelweis
"Semmelweis was puzzled that puerperal fever was rare among women giving street births. "To me, it appeared logical that patients who experienced street births would become ill at least as frequently as those who delivered in the clinic. [...] What protected those who delivered outside the clinic from these destructive unknown endemic influences?"
Yeah, you read that right, it was safer to push out a baby on the street than in the hospital. But people preferred hospitals because they got childcare benefits if they did things the "right way," and none if they gave birth at home. Thanks government.
And the dude who figured it out was checked into an insane asylum against his will and died from the beatings and resultant gangrene.
Moral of the story: never cross the government or interrupt their collusion with the medical system.
Also worth point out that most mother's mortality stats from ye olden days only track hospitals, because no one was recording the home births. But hospitals were the least safe place to deliver a child, which drags the averages artificially higher than they really were.
Absolutely goddamned right. Dr. Malone and his like-minded colleagues who have been smeared and pilloried for their criticisms prove that not much has changed.
Amazing comment, and this could easily be a post in itself
Because it's natural and the natural order is bad for these guys. What is in the natural order:
Survival of the fittest or smartest
Roles for members of a hierarchical group
Importance on offspring over those that can't produce
These leftists reject it all as it means they aren't number 1 in life. If they have children, they fear nature will reclaim it's grip thanks to all of it's biology and they'll care more for the baby than themselves. You know, like a normal parent.
It’s rather sad that I grew up not thinking your last sentence was normal…
That’s so far from my own experience that it isn’t funny. Which, frankly, makes complete sense…
I was always astounded when I met other kids whose parents treated them like individual human beings with their own value, because I did not have that… I never had that. And it fucked me up more than I would ever care to admit.
Which perhaps just proves that some people shouldn’t be parents. Regardless of ideology/background/whatever…
How were you treated as NOT an individual human being with their own value?
Grow up with abusive parents, no siblings and isolated from most of society.
You get “used to” it, I guess. But in essence I was an outlet (for them), to be controlled at all times, with very limited personal “agency”, in my life choices, if you will.
It was a bad, bad time. I wouldn’t recommend it.
It's always framed as if women are incapable of agency in the process, and I'm inclined to agree. This alone justifies patriarchy.
Okay white-knights. The only thing to do is invent a functioning, cheap and ubiquitous artificial womb. That way women won't ever need to bear children again. Go ahead. Make it happen. Beneficial side effects are that we won't need women anymore so we'll never again have to listen to this kind of pathetic, wanton bitching.
Artificial womb invented, yet simps persist
Sex robots invented, programmed with simp-optimized personalities based on top anime waifus
Simps defect to robo-waifus en masse, leaving biological women on their own
Feminist women try to save themselves by attacking the robo-waifus and trying to shame their simp owners, utterly fail
Feminism is completely crushed as a social force, with women needing to compete with robo-waifus to retain any value to society
Society reverts to an explicitly patriarchal form, with maybe 10% of women exceptional enough to exist in competitive male environments, and the rest relegated to support roles or, failing that, to wallow in squalor and poverty as holes for the men too poor to afford robo-waifus. Of course the ~10% exceptional women show no solidarity or allegiance to other women, and in fact lead the charge to denigrate and suppress them and their "rights".
Hopefully we can research life extension to the point where I can witness a society so based. The War in Afghanistan showed the world how worthless women are in standing up for themselves if their simps abandon them.
Wait, what did Afghanistan have to do with this? Did I miss something?
The Taliban never died because Afghan men didn't like the Westernization of Afghanistan, in particular women's rights.
The Afghan National Army was not willing to fight and die for women's rights. Despite its huge size on paper, only about 10k of them were actually willing to fight.
So despite being suppressed for 20 years and having enormous numbers of men killed, the Taliban were able to take the country back over with only a few thousand fighters.
And why?
Because women have no will to fight. Despite being half the population, they didn't lift a finger to defend what they had gained.
That proves that women have the entirety of their rights by the grace of men, and men alone. If men won't fight for women, women will end up Shariah style.
They never do. Most of their "rights" through history were gained by begging men to give them to them, instead of actually fighting for them.
When they do actually go out and "fight" for them, its always when society is at a state where there isn't much actual threat to them and they are surrounded by likeminded individuals.
As far as they're concerned the real punishment is having to care about anyone but themselves. Abortion and other contraception allows them to live like hedonistic children their whole lives. Personal responsibility is the modern woman's kryptonite.
My cousin dropped dead after getting the clotshot but we can't draw any conclusions from that.
In any case my wife got an epidural with both deliveries and in both cases the pain vanished to the point she slept through contractions. Fuck, women have given birth while in a coma. It's a normal, natural process--there is some indication that our modern attempts to 'help' delivery are often causing worse issues, i.e. aggressive pushing instead of relying on the fetal ejection reflex.
Pregnancy as punishment is more than have a century old feminism talk. I mean, all sex used to be rape to them (and for most still is, they just wait to pull the card until its beneficial), so why wouldn't a consequence of sex be considered a horrible unjust punishment?
How stunning and brave
So, what is risked that requires "consent" for sex?
I'd wager none of the women described were ideal childbearing years. I'd be astounded if a majority of them were under 30.
The kind of black magic it takes to train somebody to completely reject their single most fundamental instinct is truly incredible.
....What about C Sections?
Literally fighting their own bodies. Make it make sense.
2 words, you absolute cunt: tubal ligation.
Faggit being Faggit.
it's front page r/all
The way you speak about parenthood says more about your dysfunctional family.
Which was shaped by your life which likely involved your family.