A mockery of how when its not whities' fault, suddenly they want to talk about the deeper context that means a basic graph isn't reality and its actually a much bigger topic than can be summed up that simply. Wherein in the inverse they would gleefully gulp it down as absolute fact.
Which is always the problem with the entire climate change topic.
How about countries that are colder and need heating fuel in the winter versus countries where you can sleep outside yrar round? I'm sure that's taken into account...
There are a lot of Wumao comments there saying that only the per capita number counts.
I pointed out to someone else recently that it's literally the opposite. The little things we can do as individuals don't affect large-scale CO2 levels. You need policy changes. At least, that's what the environuts want. Make it illegal to own your own car, force you to ride a bike, shut down coal plants, etc. If that's what you want, then you have to go to the national level. My individual carbon output as an American is irrelevant. When considering how best to formulate laws and regulations, the ONLY thing of importance is the total output by legal jurisdiction.
Only thing of importance is total output by amount of work done (GDP, goods produced).
If your country is building everything for everybody then it'll have most of the CO2 as well, which is fine. China makes a lot of our shit, problem is they spew out like ten times more CO2 than anybody else would making it.
Chinese imports of $505 billion is only 2.2% of the $23 trillion total US economy.
So no, we do not "outsource all manufacturing to China". In fact, we only outsource small shit to them. Think about it. Does China make ANY of the cars in the US? AIrcraft? Trains? Ships? Do they make construction equipment?
No, China makes little drones and microwaves and cheap shit at wal-mart.
First of all, we didn't outsource ALL of our manufacturing to China.
Second of all, I remember a certain man in a white house named Bill Clinton who signed off on letting any company move over for cheap. I could be wrong but I doubt it.
Thirdly, if we brought back the manufacturing it would be better because our environmental regulations actually exist so we could save probably more than 50% on the pollution produced because we have people who give a shit rather than just taking whatever bribe to skimp on everything they can.
Fourth, I support bringing back the jobs, better pay and it takes the jobs away from China, less money for them.
Top comment is mostly true. Though I wonder why all these climate conscious countries are importing everything from a non-climate conscious country? hmmmmmmm....
To be fair, we are paying them for most of those emissions.
Postmodern neomarxist faggots are gonna blame MUH CAPITALISM no matter what.
A mockery of how when its not whities' fault, suddenly they want to talk about the deeper context that means a basic graph isn't reality and its actually a much bigger topic than can be summed up that simply. Wherein in the inverse they would gleefully gulp it down as absolute fact.
Which is always the problem with the entire climate change topic.
The California Model
How about countries that are colder and need heating fuel in the winter versus countries where you can sleep outside yrar round? I'm sure that's taken into account...
I pointed out to someone else recently that it's literally the opposite. The little things we can do as individuals don't affect large-scale CO2 levels. You need policy changes. At least, that's what the environuts want. Make it illegal to own your own car, force you to ride a bike, shut down coal plants, etc. If that's what you want, then you have to go to the national level. My individual carbon output as an American is irrelevant. When considering how best to formulate laws and regulations, the ONLY thing of importance is the total output by legal jurisdiction.
Only thing of importance is total output by amount of work done (GDP, goods produced).
If your country is building everything for everybody then it'll have most of the CO2 as well, which is fine. China makes a lot of our shit, problem is they spew out like ten times more CO2 than anybody else would making it.
"muh per capita"
US invades and conquers some poorshit country in Africa with hundreds of millions of people, sharply reducing its per capita emissions
"no, not like that!!!"
So our Predditor supports bringing manufacturing back on-shore?
Based
I guess they agree with Trump, huh?
We at least came up with the tech for manufacturing and had to slowly develop it where it didn't create death fog, what's China's excuse?
They dont give a shit and with a billion people?
Total US imports from China in 2021? 505 billion
Total US GDP in 2021? 23 TRILLION
Chinese imports of $505 billion is only 2.2% of the $23 trillion total US economy.
So no, we do not "outsource all manufacturing to China". In fact, we only outsource small shit to them. Think about it. Does China make ANY of the cars in the US? AIrcraft? Trains? Ships? Do they make construction equipment?
No, China makes little drones and microwaves and cheap shit at wal-mart.
Who cares?
CO2 is not a pollutant.
It's plant food.
I, for one, am looking forward to the eventual return of megaflora.
First of all, we didn't outsource ALL of our manufacturing to China.
Second of all, I remember a certain man in a white house named Bill Clinton who signed off on letting any company move over for cheap. I could be wrong but I doubt it.
Thirdly, if we brought back the manufacturing it would be better because our environmental regulations actually exist so we could save probably more than 50% on the pollution produced because we have people who give a shit rather than just taking whatever bribe to skimp on everything they can.
Fourth, I support bringing back the jobs, better pay and it takes the jobs away from China, less money for them.
To be fair, it's a valid counterargument.
You know what this means, find a grean-leftist and burn coal outside their home. We must all do our part.
butbutbut muh per capituh
But I thought Communism was environmentally friendly! All these wonderful watermelons keep telling me that!
Top comment is mostly true. Though I wonder why all these climate conscious countries are importing everything from a non-climate conscious country? hmmmmmmm....