Electric cars are good for you, save money on gas
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only 70,000 miles and it already needs a new battery
Had to service the head gasket on my 1999 SAAB which has gone 120k miles and that cost $200 with planing the surfaces. That's the first major overhaul on any of the parts of that aluminium block engine.
Man, I always wanted a Saab. My cousin has a 9-5 from... 1998, I believe. When I was buying my current car about 2 years ago, I had my eyes on a nice 2007 9-3 with the 2.0t, but someone bought it before I had the chance.
I'm Swedish so they are abundant here as are the spare parts, custom kits and mechanical knowledge, custom ECU's etc.
In the current market you would pay $700 to 3k USD depending on condition for a 9-5 from 1998. There's literally a 2003 9-5 for $1500 on the market right now.
Well, I'm from Europe too, but quite a bit more south. The 9-5 is too big for me, I prefer smaller cars, and hatchbacks instead of sedans. My basic requirement is to easily fit 2x50l beer kegs and a tap in the back. But really, I bought a quite unusual car the last time around, which I still have and it's awesome, but the fuel economy is horrible (12l/100km of 98+ octane) and more importantly, it's so difficult to buy spare parts. The whole exhaust assembly was rusted to shit (the car is from 2007 and it was all original), so I needed a new one; Mazda quoted me a nonsensical price and then followed it up with "Oh yeah and it's not in stock anyway", so I had to get a Simons from Sweden, which is great but it took a month to get here. That sort of stuff. And since where I'm from, Saabs are very uncommon, it would be the same. So I guess I'm just gonna have to buy something painfully boring the next time around, like a Škoda Octavia - plenty of parts for those here.
If your local area produces parts that is probably what you will have to do, as lots of OEM spec parts get denied due to some random serial number not being aligned correctly during manufacture, and so you get OEM parts for half price.
Also the modding scene is crazy here in Sweden for SAABs and Volvos.
ICE ICE Baby
And that's for a plug-in hybrid, which is a bigger battery than a hybrid but much smaller than an EV. I hope the dealership bought him dinner first.
e: https://backthetruckup.com/30000-invoice-is-real/
So their excuse is the battery is "a dinosaur." It's a 2012, way to stick it to the critics that say EVs are like iphones.
e2: So I did some back of the napkin math. If he'd bought a Chevy Malibu instead he would have, in the absolute worst case, spent $13,000 on gas. Considering his car is so low mileage I'm going to assume he used very little gas and mostly used the battery, so at best he spent $2,000 on electricity. So he spent about $15,000 more originally and then saved $11,000 but then paid $30,000, which to be fair should have totaled the car instead (it's like an iphone after all). $34,000 in the hole, and that's best case; I'm assuming all city miles, only using the battery and cheap electricity. Wow.
The long term plan is to force people to buy electric cars. I mean in the likely case that technology fails to improve to the point where people prefer them before the government decides to mandate it.
In fact re technology, I suspect that the problems of electricity generation and transmission won't be solved in time, either.
And then turn your cars off if your social credit score is too low.
It's all about control. They don't want you to be independent in travel, income, or anything else.
The government is the enemy of free people.
Why bother with that step when you can have them driven to prison instead of work? It's where they'd end up anyway after being unable to pay to survive.
Just have it glitch while driving over a bridge.
Also have the box record that it was due to the customer's manual control override, they did it themselves.
And when your EV breaks down and you can't afford to fix it they'll say "Just ride the bus! Get an electric bicycle!"
The long term plan is to force everyone who isn't the "elite" to sit in the pod, eat the bugs, and consume anti-social media for all of their free time. There's no need for the goyim cattle to go anywhere except their designated workplace (for the lucky 50% that still at least have a job), and that can easily be handled by buses.
Like the last meal before execution.
It's not an EV, it's a hybrid. Which is part of the problem - while it's completely reasonable to demand some level of backwards compatibility in the form factor, inputs and outputs of your company's batteries even as the technology improves and you put out new models of vehicle, a 16 kWh hybrid battery and a 60 kWh all-electric battery are never going to be compatible, and Chevrolet has stopped making the hybrids.
Why are the batteries not just a standard shape? Why do I care if Duracell stop making AA ones I can buy them from Energizer instead.
<sub>I know why and this is rhetorical.</sub>
The battery pack is likely full of 18650-type cells, those are standard shape. Manufacturers get compatibility and you get a $30k bill.
PHEVs are a type of EV and based on the mileage the owner probably used it as more of an EV with a range extender than as a hybrid. I think the point still stands that these cars are disposable if companies don't commit to long term battery support even if the technology changes. I can have a remanufactured ecotec on my doorstep in a few days if my 18 year old car's engine dies and I'm not sure it would be worth it to do an engine swap but if I did I could probably drive the car another 18 years.
It may be a dinosaur, but when you buy a car that expensive, 10 years is not "a dinosaur".
Maybe that one is, but say I buy an electric car tomorrow. What is to say in a number of years everything moves on to some new fancy battery style or whatever and suddenly mine is a "dinosaur" after only 8 years or something. This does not give me a good feeling of buying an electric car now unless there have been many years of having battery replacements that dont' total the car just cause "my car is a bit old."
Which in the scheme of cars, 10 years is not even that old..... dang...
Comes out to $7.5/gal equivalent assuming 20 mpg. At 40 mpg it's $14 per gal. equivalent. EVs are a joke.
Even worse - that's not counting the cost of electricity.
OOOF.
Electricity is cheap. It costs a few dollars a month to keep a Tesla full
Europe would like a word with spot prices on the EEX recently topping 1k EUR per MWh, lmao.
I mean in an ideal scenario where we aren't ruled by sociopaths. It would be way cheaper than petrol
problem with electric components is.. once its phased and not in production, replacement will be impossible to procure eventually.. while right now, you can drive 80 year old cars that runs on fossil fuels. And even if you can't find parts for that 80 year old car, its much easier to machine the parts for it.
electric vehicles with their batteries + electrical components means you cant use one vehicle for a long long time or have it in storage.
Can the average person machine some parts for an older car, no. Can the average person crank out a car sized battery and some silicon? Hell no.
Almost every mid sized town in the US has multiple mechanics and some sort of machine shop.
When the Mad Max future comes those who have a car are going to be rolling in '87 Civics.
It is far more likely that a person with the proper set of tools can machine some parts for an older car than it is for someone to create parts for an EV, and as such...its smarter to use an older car these days.
That sounds far more feasible than machining part considering battery building isn't all that complicated if you can get premade cells. It's mostly the anti-tamper measures that are the problem.
Lefties don't care about the lithium strip-mining operations required to make batteries (manufactured in China so they last maybe two years), it's all virtue signaling and zero economics.
Don't forget all the afghani slaveboys in the lithium and cobalt mines! We did them such a favor returning them to the Mostly Peaceful arms of the Taliban (which is also CCP).
from a twitter reply:
I also just noticed that the Florida state tax alone was over $1,700 of the total. A two thousand dollar tax just to get your car running again.
I thought Florida didn't have state taxes?
Obviously there's a tax on the bill, but I don't think it's a Florida state tax.
It isn't an income tax, it's a state tax on parts, labor, sales and service. $1,712.68 smackaroos.
Okay, thought Florida was above that bullshit.
There are only five states in the country that don't impose any sales tax: Alaska, Delaware, Montana, New Hampshire, and Oregon.
Though it must be said that battery has been replaced. But even a refurbished 2nd hand one is almost $7000 https://www.gmpartsdirect.com/oem-parts/gm-battery-assembly-20979876
Guy posting that probably should've blurred the VIN, no?
Sort of tough to do a reverse lookup, as far as I know. Like gun serials - your average person can't do shit with them, but it's not your average person that you have to worry about.
If you assume $3.75 per gallon, you could buy nearly 8,000 gallons of gas for that price. Given the car's mileage, your gas car would have to get less than a mile per gallon to be as expensive.
If 70,000 miles is all they can expect on the low end for these older batteries, people are going to be livid.
My entire car didn't even cost me that when I had to get a new one right before covid.
Way to dox yourself
Toyota does a 10 Years / 150,000 Miles warranty at least, but that's still total bullshit when you can just buy a new car for what the battery replacement costs.
It means that EV and hybrid used car value is going to be dogshit since they won't run for 20+ years like a gas car would.
Wow. Battery costs like a new good car.
Well at least he saved the environment.... amirite...
ya no he didn't even do that ;(
As long as I have my feet, I never feel I'm stuck anywhere.
Have fun with that on your 50 mile commute.
The only time I've "commuted" that far was when I was actually driving cars for used-vehicle dealers.
You can get most remanufactured engines for $3000 and just about anything that isn't crazy for $5000.