Trump will not be allowed to run 3rd party after participating in a Republican primary for President.
From people I know working in state GOPs, every Republican legislature in every state that matters is planning on pushing sore loser laws soon to prevent Trump from fucking us in that situation.
Trump won't be able to bully the party with this threat.
There is still 1.5 more years before the primaries even start.
DeSantis has plenty of time to boost his name recognition.
There is also plenty of time for Trump to seriously erode his support by constantly endorsing terrible nominees who lose, constantly focusing on the stolen election instead of the many current issues plaguing the U.S.
You might be surprised in 2024 when the primaries do come around and DeSantis manages to win both the Iowa caucus and the NH primary.
DeSantis will receive so much money from big GOP donors that it will make your head spin.
McConnell and the establishment don't like DeSantis too much but they will fight like hell to ensure a DeSantis primary win over Trump anyday.
Trump has a very difficult path to the nomination in front of him because there is a serious alternative to his policies without the baggage available and too many powerful people in the GOP will stop at nothing to ensure Trump doesn't become the nominee ever again.
It is not a good idea to just talk about the stolen elections and not work on actually fixing the problem by electing politicians who will actually get election security laws passed.
Trump constantly screams about the election while endorsing politicians who don't really care about election integrity or even worse by endorsing politicians who cannot win the general election. That is the problem with him.
Also when inflation is this high and gas prices are this high and the woke are taking over every institution, it is stupid to not talk about these issues as well.
Anyone who runs on only the stolen election in 2022 is running an unserious campaign and doesn't even want to win.
The only people I see running such a shitty campaign are Kari Lake and Blake Masters in Arizona. Blake used to run a pretty decent campaign until he got the Trump endorsement and now he only focuses on 2020.
Trump has been steadily losing ground while DeSantis gains it.
The primary season is not until over a year from now, and people are steadily moving on from Trump. A LOT of people like me who supported him last time, won't do so again because losers and flawed candidates don't get second chances.
This will be a shock to some people but Trump is a paper tiger.
The man didn't even fire Fauci because he feared it would cause too much of a backlash.
I think it is possible that Trump might not even run if DeSantis wins Florida governor by 10+points.
If Trump runs and also loses the primaries, his eventual reaction will be surprising to many people. I don't think he will screw Desantis and the party to risk another Dem win.
He is not having a tantrum over Perdue losing to Kemp. That was a major L and people expected Trump to go to Georgia and campaign for Stacy Abrams.
That is not happening.
From what I hear from people I know who work in the GOP, McConnell said that he made sure that "Trump learns his place".
I am not too worried about Trump having a tantrum if he loses a primary to DeSantis.
I despise McConnell on many things but he sadly excels in manipulating and eventually controlling Trump to do what he wants.
Trump limp dicked China the moment the polling and the press made him think the trade was was a net loser for him politically.
Trump only cares about what benefits him personally and doesn't have any values or principles. He left office with a whimper after stirring up a shit storm because he was afraid that he'd end up in prison if he kept pushing.
Trump has always been all talk. He's not going to big dick anything like Antonio thinks he is.
If Trump gets the nomination, we'll end up with a President Harris. Trump will bring tons of people out to the polls just to vote against him.
And for all of the people who bitch and complain about stolen elections need to realize that there is a limit to how many fake ballots that can be made and cast; therefore, running a loser like Trump who would have only barely squeaked a victory had the invalid votes never been cast is a dumb idea because you only need a few thousand ballots in a few key places to swing the election. The Dems don't have the necessary ground game to pull this stunt everywhere, so run someone like DeSantis who will flip light blue states like CO or MN.
If Trump gets the nomination, we'll end up with a President Harris. Trump will bring tons of people out to the polls just to vote against him.
He almost won in a pandemic and with the worst economic crisis in decades. With the mess the Democrats are now making (if they do not fix it), it is literally impossible for Trump to lose.
And for all of the people who bitch and complain about stolen elections need to realize that there is a limit to how many fake ballots that can be made and cast
Yes, the whole "why vote, they'll steal it anyway" is very, very stupid.
so run someone like DeSantis who will flip light blue states like CO or MN.
He might win CO, but I am not at all convinced that DS has the same strong blue-collar appeal that Trump does.
But it's got to be Trump in 2024. We don't want him to run 3rd party and wreck the bid of DeSantis.
I've told you this before, but as someone who supported Trump in 2020, if Trump even HINTED that he would try to hold the party hostage in this way, the large majority of the Republican Party would turn into Liz Cheney overnight.
Trump would be utterly hated by both the Left and the Right, and Trump knows he can't afford to have the Right turn on him, because if that happened, he would end up prosecuted and in prison. The Left badly wants to imprison him, and the only thing holding them back is the fact that pushing that would generate a huge backlash from the Right.
This angle is interesting and too many people don't take it into account.
Trump apparently didn't pardon Assange or Snowden because McConnell coldly told him that Trump would be convicted in the Senate during the second impeachment if he pardoned them.
Too many people erroneously think Trump is a devil may care badass who bows to no one when in reality he has completely capitulated to McConnell on more than one occasion.
If Trump loses the primary, McConnell will tell him what happens to him if he runs third party and that will be the end of that.
Trump fears being prosecuted and imprisoned and McConnell absolutely hates Trump enough to ensure that happens if Trump dares to run third party.
Trump apparently didn't pardon Assange or Snowden because McConnell coldly told him that Trump would be convicted in the Senate during the second impeachment if he pardoned them.
If he pussied out based on that, it's very disappointing. I'd have communicated the threat to the world and pardoned them both.
If Trump loses the primary, McConnell will tell him what happens to him if he runs third party and that will be the end of that.
He'll have nothing to lose then. And Cocaine Mitch won't be able to do a thing.
Trump fears being prosecuted and imprisoned and McConnell absolutely hates Trump enough to ensure that happens if Trump dares to run third party.
There is zero chance of that, nor of CM being able to accomplish that.
Trump apparently didn't pardon Assange or Snowden because McConnell coldly told him that Trump would be convicted in the Senate during the second impeachment if he pardoned them.
Trump DEEPLY fears the deep state. I don't think McConnell is why he didn't pardon them, I think Trump was afraid of what the CIA/Homeland bureaucrats would do to him.
If Trump loses the primary, McConnell will tell him what happens to him if he runs third party and that will be the end of that.
I agree. Trump not only has to worry about endless Democrat attempts to vindictively prosecute him, he also has major entrenched financial interests that could be targeted by various vindictive politicians.
I've told you this before, but as someone who supported Trump in 2020, if Trump even HINTED that he would try to hold the party hostage in this way, the large majority of the Republican Party would turn into Liz Cheney overnight.
Nah. He did it in 2016, and no one cared. In the meantime, Jeb! promised to back the nominee and then didn't.
he would end up prosecuted and in prison
Unlikely. He has committed no crime, and a lot of people would go with him over the GOP.
DeSantis is a zionist. If we elect him, the foreign takeover of our nation and the genocide of our people will continue. Not that we have any other real candidate that would promote nationalism, secure our borders, and make a real plan to address the welfare state and monetary collapse.
The only weird/bad thing in that list was the federal abortion ban (which is a state issue).
The independent state legislature thing is dodgy, if it means that it can only be the legislature. The power of the legislature is supposed to derive from the people, so the people should be able to overrule election laws by referendum.
Also, DeSantis declaring martial law and threatening arrest of so called protesters seems a bit far-fetched.
The only weird/bad thing in that list was the federal abortion ban
0 chance of it happening. Republicans mostly agree it's a states rights issue, and a number of Republican Senators are pro choice anyway, so there's 0 chance of Republicans getting to 60 votes to even attempt it, and then if they do, it might get thrown out by the Supreme Court as going too far on the commerce clause.
If they're completely batshit, which they're not because giving money to Goldman Sachs is their main priority, they could nuke the filibuster to pass the abortion ban with 50 votes.
Most republicans believe that abortion is murder. Murder is not a states right issue.
It's just disguised as a states right issue because that's the step needed right now. Federal bans will be difficult short of a constitutional amendment.
I'm not talking about republican politicians, I'm talking about normal people who say they're republicans. Most are pro-life and most pro-lifers believe abortion is murder.
I know conservatives try to make arguments that benefit the outcomes that they desire. But this would be such an act of flagrant judicial activism that I don't see any of the justices doing that - and especially those who are originalist.
If you're not, I guess you can make up as you go along.
The independent state legislature thing is dodgy, if it means that it can only be the legislature. The power of the legislature is supposed to derive from the people, so the people should be able to overrule election laws by referendum.
The theory behind it is that the constitution explicitly says that the state legislatures shall decide. Its a question of interpretation to whether that means it is only the legislatures or is it the legislatures within their normal state operations.
I am aware of the wording, but I find it a bit strange that legislatures, which in theory are delegates of the people, would by that fact gain more power than the people.
Its gonna be a Trump/Desantis ticket. Its the only lock the GOP can bet on. They could do a lot of damage together playing good cop/bad cop. There’s gonna be a popcorn shortage, mark my words.
The craziest thread I have seen in a while.
I think DeSantis is still the best GOP 2024 candidate but there is no way he will actually be this based.
Smashing Disney won me over.
But it's got to be Trump in 2024. We don't want him to run 3rd party and wreck the bid of DeSantis.
Trump will not be allowed to run 3rd party after participating in a Republican primary for President.
From people I know working in state GOPs, every Republican legislature in every state that matters is planning on pushing sore loser laws soon to prevent Trump from fucking us in that situation.
Trump won't be able to bully the party with this threat.
There is still 1.5 more years before the primaries even start.
DeSantis has plenty of time to boost his name recognition.
There is also plenty of time for Trump to seriously erode his support by constantly endorsing terrible nominees who lose, constantly focusing on the stolen election instead of the many current issues plaguing the U.S.
You might be surprised in 2024 when the primaries do come around and DeSantis manages to win both the Iowa caucus and the NH primary.
DeSantis will receive so much money from big GOP donors that it will make your head spin.
McConnell and the establishment don't like DeSantis too much but they will fight like hell to ensure a DeSantis primary win over Trump anyday.
Trump has a very difficult path to the nomination in front of him because there is a serious alternative to his policies without the baggage available and too many powerful people in the GOP will stop at nothing to ensure Trump doesn't become the nominee ever again.
Stolen elections are a current issue plaguing the U.S.
It is not a good idea to just talk about the stolen elections and not work on actually fixing the problem by electing politicians who will actually get election security laws passed.
Trump constantly screams about the election while endorsing politicians who don't really care about election integrity or even worse by endorsing politicians who cannot win the general election. That is the problem with him.
Also when inflation is this high and gas prices are this high and the woke are taking over every institution, it is stupid to not talk about these issues as well.
Anyone who runs on only the stolen election in 2022 is running an unserious campaign and doesn't even want to win.
The only people I see running such a shitty campaign are Kari Lake and Blake Masters in Arizona. Blake used to run a pretty decent campaign until he got the Trump endorsement and now he only focuses on 2020.
Trump has been steadily losing ground while DeSantis gains it.
The primary season is not until over a year from now, and people are steadily moving on from Trump. A LOT of people like me who supported him last time, won't do so again because losers and flawed candidates don't get second chances.
Any business man should know you're only as good as your last deal, and his last one was shit
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It might not be an accurate statement, but I don't think this is a deliberate falsehood.
Oh boy, more incestuous "it's a private club except when it's not" uniparty control over state governments? What a brilliant, principled strategy.
If Trump runs, it has to be Trump. In a game of chicken, Trump will always win, because he's willing to go to extraordinary lengths.
This will be a shock to some people but Trump is a paper tiger.
The man didn't even fire Fauci because he feared it would cause too much of a backlash.
I think it is possible that Trump might not even run if DeSantis wins Florida governor by 10+points.
If Trump runs and also loses the primaries, his eventual reaction will be surprising to many people. I don't think he will screw Desantis and the party to risk another Dem win.
He is not having a tantrum over Perdue losing to Kemp. That was a major L and people expected Trump to go to Georgia and campaign for Stacy Abrams.
That is not happening.
From what I hear from people I know who work in the GOP, McConnell said that he made sure that "Trump learns his place".
I am not too worried about Trump having a tantrum if he loses a primary to DeSantis.
I despise McConnell on many things but he sadly excels in manipulating and eventually controlling Trump to do what he wants.
Trump limp dicked China the moment the polling and the press made him think the trade was was a net loser for him politically.
Trump only cares about what benefits him personally and doesn't have any values or principles. He left office with a whimper after stirring up a shit storm because he was afraid that he'd end up in prison if he kept pushing.
Trump has always been all talk. He's not going to big dick anything like Antonio thinks he is.
It is said he'll announce before the midterms in order to pre-empt everyone else.
No one expected that, because it's crazy. And it's one thing for one of his candidates to lose, quite another for himself to lose.
That sounds like wishful thinking that someone you have called "the orange buffoon" will simply disappear.
If Trump gets the nomination, we'll end up with a President Harris. Trump will bring tons of people out to the polls just to vote against him.
And for all of the people who bitch and complain about stolen elections need to realize that there is a limit to how many fake ballots that can be made and cast; therefore, running a loser like Trump who would have only barely squeaked a victory had the invalid votes never been cast is a dumb idea because you only need a few thousand ballots in a few key places to swing the election. The Dems don't have the necessary ground game to pull this stunt everywhere, so run someone like DeSantis who will flip light blue states like CO or MN.
He almost won in a pandemic and with the worst economic crisis in decades. With the mess the Democrats are now making (if they do not fix it), it is literally impossible for Trump to lose.
Yes, the whole "why vote, they'll steal it anyway" is very, very stupid.
He might win CO, but I am not at all convinced that DS has the same strong blue-collar appeal that Trump does.
Not with the rules as they were. Take away the shenanigans (vote by mail, Zuckbucks, etc.), then he probably wins.
I meant "us" as in all voters who still want Trump's good policies but without the baggage of Trump.
I've told you this before, but as someone who supported Trump in 2020, if Trump even HINTED that he would try to hold the party hostage in this way, the large majority of the Republican Party would turn into Liz Cheney overnight.
Trump would be utterly hated by both the Left and the Right, and Trump knows he can't afford to have the Right turn on him, because if that happened, he would end up prosecuted and in prison. The Left badly wants to imprison him, and the only thing holding them back is the fact that pushing that would generate a huge backlash from the Right.
This angle is interesting and too many people don't take it into account.
Trump apparently didn't pardon Assange or Snowden because McConnell coldly told him that Trump would be convicted in the Senate during the second impeachment if he pardoned them.
Too many people erroneously think Trump is a devil may care badass who bows to no one when in reality he has completely capitulated to McConnell on more than one occasion.
If Trump loses the primary, McConnell will tell him what happens to him if he runs third party and that will be the end of that.
Trump fears being prosecuted and imprisoned and McConnell absolutely hates Trump enough to ensure that happens if Trump dares to run third party.
If he pussied out based on that, it's very disappointing. I'd have communicated the threat to the world and pardoned them both.
He'll have nothing to lose then. And Cocaine Mitch won't be able to do a thing.
There is zero chance of that, nor of CM being able to accomplish that.
Trump DEEPLY fears the deep state. I don't think McConnell is why he didn't pardon them, I think Trump was afraid of what the CIA/Homeland bureaucrats would do to him.
I agree. Trump not only has to worry about endless Democrat attempts to vindictively prosecute him, he also has major entrenched financial interests that could be targeted by various vindictive politicians.
Nah. He did it in 2016, and no one cared. In the meantime, Jeb! promised to back the nominee and then didn't.
Unlikely. He has committed no crime, and a lot of people would go with him over the GOP.
DeSantis is a zionist. If we elect him, the foreign takeover of our nation and the genocide of our people will continue. Not that we have any other real candidate that would promote nationalism, secure our borders, and make a real plan to address the welfare state and monetary collapse.
And Trump isn't a Zionist?
The man was a huge shill for them.
This guy thought he was crafting some kind of nightmare, but all he did was make my dick hard.
LOOOOOOOL what? Biden is going to get DESTROYED, and that's if he even manages to make it to 2024.
I can't see Biden even running again. I don't think there's enough drugs in the world to keep him lucid through presidential debates this time.
91 million ballots in 2024, still loses electoral college.
Stop! I can only get so erect!
The only weird/bad thing in that list was the federal abortion ban (which is a state issue).
The independent state legislature thing is dodgy, if it means that it can only be the legislature. The power of the legislature is supposed to derive from the people, so the people should be able to overrule election laws by referendum.
Also, DeSantis declaring martial law and threatening arrest of so called protesters seems a bit far-fetched.
Especially since Trump didn't even do that while the lefties were burning federal courthouses and a church a block from the white house.
The left always lies, it's the only thing they know how to do.
0 chance of it happening. Republicans mostly agree it's a states rights issue, and a number of Republican Senators are pro choice anyway, so there's 0 chance of Republicans getting to 60 votes to even attempt it, and then if they do, it might get thrown out by the Supreme Court as going too far on the commerce clause.
If they're completely batshit, which they're not because giving money to Goldman Sachs is their main priority, they could nuke the filibuster to pass the abortion ban with 50 votes.
Republicans were never the ones with a hard-on to nuke the legislative filibuster. 100% of the talk on that has been from Democrats.
Right, but the Dems are always accusing the Republicans of planning to do so.
"Let's do it now because the GOP will def do it when they win."
Democrats know little to nothing about Republicans. Instead, Democrats just project all their own sinister thoughts on Republicans.
Most republicans believe that abortion is murder. Murder is not a states right issue.
It's just disguised as a states right issue because that's the step needed right now. Federal bans will be difficult short of a constitutional amendment.
Not true at all.
I'm not talking about republican politicians, I'm talking about normal people who say they're republicans. Most are pro-life and most pro-lifers believe abortion is murder.
Hell, I think the non-Kavanaughs would also be very likely to strike it down, because they are likely to be much stronger than K. on federalism.
Thomas certainly doesn't. He is an originalist, and there's absolutely nothing that would suggest an 'affirmative right to life' before birth.
I know conservatives try to make arguments that benefit the outcomes that they desire. But this would be such an act of flagrant judicial activism that I don't see any of the justices doing that - and especially those who are originalist.
If you're not, I guess you can make up as you go along.
The theory behind it is that the constitution explicitly says that the state legislatures shall decide. Its a question of interpretation to whether that means it is only the legislatures or is it the legislatures within their normal state operations.
I am aware of the wording, but I find it a bit strange that legislatures, which in theory are delegates of the people, would by that fact gain more power than the people.
Its gonna be a Trump/Desantis ticket. Its the only lock the GOP can bet on. They could do a lot of damage together playing good cop/bad cop. There’s gonna be a popcorn shortage, mark my words.
What a load of horseshit. I'm glad I was bounced from Twatter.
Popular vote doesn't matter...
if hunter biden were anyone else's kid, he'd have been behind bars years ago.
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