I would not mind leaving this rock to begin with. But it looks highly unlikely that will happen.
Physics unfortunately is not giving us much hope. Terraforming Mars is not going to be done in our life time and I see no prospects of faster then life travel.
It looks like my dreams of a real life Firefly style world is not going to happen.
Real life Firefly no, real life The Expanse? Maybe. Terraforming is a long term project you wouldn't expect to see results from in one lifetime, but it doesn't mean people won't be visiting or living on Mars. Looking at the amount of resources and time that would be needed for terraforming, paraterraforming seems much more likely to me. Complete terraforming is extremely wasteful with little practical benefit.
Building a colony on Antarctica, living underground, or even on some kind of floating sea-city might technically be easier, but people who want to stop you will be closer and you won't be far enough away to ever be completely independent of Earth governments.
I kind of like the idea of domed cities on Antarctica. The land is plenty fertile, it's been lying fallow collecting nutrients for a few billion years. Fresh water is readily available (glaciers) and food is abundant (fish) The trick is making it warm enough and dealing with ice and snow buildup on the domes.
Nuclear power combined with Geothermal from one of the 91 (That's right. NINETY ONE) active volcanos on Antarctica could make portions of the Antarctic easily inhabitable, provided you enclose it to protect it from the extreme cold.
Seawater brine heated to above the steam flashpoint but contained in a pipe system could easily melt the permafrost and warm the soil to ready it for planting. Using the abundant geothermal energy to heat that water in a closed loop system would provide a reasonably low maintenance system for doing this.
There are tons of ways that the Antarctic could be settled by a determined people, and given the fact that treaties say no one country can claim it, it is ripe to be taken by the right people.
The entire attraction of a mars colony is the 3 month to 2 year response time for physical retaliation. Antarctica is still within range of ICBMs, heck even the moon is in range of a modified one. Though the moon is still 3 days away, that is not really time enough to construct a response to a launch. Mars on the other hand, if the event provoking retaliation is right after the Earth-Mars transfer window closes, has 2 years to prepare.
Atmospheric loss on Mars is super-slow. Geologic times. If you can't pump in gas faster than it evaporates, you were never going to terraform anyway. (which I agree is most likely)
It's not terraformed if you have to have a subscription to breathe, despite Bezo's deepest desires.
Not only is Mars too small to hold an atmosphere, it doesn't have the magnetic field needed to keep both the atmosphere and surface safe. And it can't be made to generate one. Anyone who says otherwise is proposing changing, wholesale, the composition of a planet's core and it's total mass.
They would also have to find away to reignite mars core so it would redevelop a magnetosphere. Any planet colonization would most likely be out of our solar system. Chances are anyone who leaves earth to colonize a planet will not set foot on said planet, but their children or grandchildren might.
That's a pretty old take from him. He's been saying it since high school. People assumed that means he wants to set up space colonies where billions will live and work, while only millions will stay on Earth and help maintain it as a nature preserve.
Now, looking at the ridiculous turtle-speed progress of Blue Origin, and realizing what all the elites believe - I don't think he thinks there will even be 7 billion humans in the future. Anywhere.
They can have all the planets of this solar system, as long as they never leave them. Once humanity is free of this horrific gravity well, there is never ANY reason to renter one. The hardest and most expensive part of any space operation is entering or leaving orbit.
Weird that some people here unironically seem to think this is a good idea...
I'll absolutely fucking do as much damage as possible before ANYONE tries to forcibly deport me into space, or to anywhere I don't want to be, for that matter...
Fuck sperg turd, though. He'll be dead quite literally before we even land people on Mars, at this rate. He's just fucking shooting his dumb-as-shit mouth off while he still has the money to be relevant, lol.
Of all the people who deserve to be taken out by a disgruntled ex-employee, Bezos has to be just about the most "deserving"... rolls eyes
Fuck your depopulation fantasies, you absolute slime.
Also, it's funny how EVERY SINGLE billionaire, from Musk to Munger to Bezos to Gates, is utterly detached from reality, and from what "teh common people" actually want...
"Weird", that... Almost like they don't have any idea what the fuck they are talking about, and like, uhh, absolute power really does corrupt absolutely...
Gee, how unexpected! Not like there's any precedent for that, or anything! /s
Bezos will become another broke piece of shit if he doesn't sell a large part of his shares in the next 5 years. Maybe less. Amazon is teetering thanks to their reliance on Chinese scams...I mean, third-party merchants.
Humans have not evolved to live in space. (Or if you believe in a god: God did not design humans to live in space.) I doubt that they can emulate all the factors for living on earth in space.
Bezos doesn't care about Earth, he just wants to be landlord and sole supplier to 7 billion people. He is doing everything in his power to stop SpaceX, and has already delayed the Artemis program by 7 months himself. For that matter he has failed to deliver his engines to ULA, knocking them out of competing for launch contracts. To top it all off, he hasn't delivered one gram to orbit. He is trying to kill space, not promote it.
Not really. No artifical environment, in space or on Mars or any outer system moon, could ever support more than a few million people. He's not saying it flat out, but he's talking about massive population reduction.
No they couldn't. We only have one habitable planet. Terraforming Venus and Mars would be much less efficient and even if you did terraform them you can only have so many lives on a terrestrial planet before it becomes impossible to remove waste heat. Thermodynamically Earth can probably only support in the low trillions and that's covering it in layers of mega city across its entire surface. You could spend a thousand years terraforming Venus to support a few billions in relative comfort or trillions in misery or ignore Venus and support quadrillions in the asteroid belt.
I thought we were talking about leaving earth empty to live in space? Yes once you hit an upper bound living on earth becomes little less costly than living in space, but for those first few trillion it would be much less resource intensive to live planetside than to fuck off into space for no reason.
Fuck man, just launch those spent cores into the Sun. Whats that gonna do, disrupt the delicate balance of the giant fireball's ecosystem? Foresight is a super power
Unless you're talking a fairy tale "infinite energy" scenario, you can support vastly more human lives terrestrially with any given amount of energy than you can in space. Earthside habitation will be preferred until population density becomes an issue. There's no way all of humanity would just voluntarily abandon the entire planet to become a glorified park. Bezos should just stick to being head delivery boy.
Alternate headline: Bezos masturbates in public.
I would not mind leaving this rock to begin with. But it looks highly unlikely that will happen. Physics unfortunately is not giving us much hope. Terraforming Mars is not going to be done in our life time and I see no prospects of faster then life travel.
It looks like my dreams of a real life Firefly style world is not going to happen.
Real life Firefly no, real life The Expanse? Maybe. Terraforming is a long term project you wouldn't expect to see results from in one lifetime, but it doesn't mean people won't be visiting or living on Mars. Looking at the amount of resources and time that would be needed for terraforming, paraterraforming seems much more likely to me. Complete terraforming is extremely wasteful with little practical benefit.
Building a colony on Antarctica, living underground, or even on some kind of floating sea-city might technically be easier, but people who want to stop you will be closer and you won't be far enough away to ever be completely independent of Earth governments.
I kind of like the idea of domed cities on Antarctica. The land is plenty fertile, it's been lying fallow collecting nutrients for a few billion years. Fresh water is readily available (glaciers) and food is abundant (fish) The trick is making it warm enough and dealing with ice and snow buildup on the domes.
Nuclear power combined with Geothermal from one of the 91 (That's right. NINETY ONE) active volcanos on Antarctica could make portions of the Antarctic easily inhabitable, provided you enclose it to protect it from the extreme cold.
Seawater brine heated to above the steam flashpoint but contained in a pipe system could easily melt the permafrost and warm the soil to ready it for planting. Using the abundant geothermal energy to heat that water in a closed loop system would provide a reasonably low maintenance system for doing this.
There are tons of ways that the Antarctic could be settled by a determined people, and given the fact that treaties say no one country can claim it, it is ripe to be taken by the right people.
The entire attraction of a mars colony is the 3 month to 2 year response time for physical retaliation. Antarctica is still within range of ICBMs, heck even the moon is in range of a modified one. Though the moon is still 3 days away, that is not really time enough to construct a response to a launch. Mars on the other hand, if the event provoking retaliation is right after the Earth-Mars transfer window closes, has 2 years to prepare.
Mars can't be terraformed. It can't hold an atmosphere. Best you're going to get is arcologies.
Atmospheric loss on Mars is super-slow. Geologic times. If you can't pump in gas faster than it evaporates, you were never going to terraform anyway. (which I agree is most likely)
It's not terraformed if you have to have a subscription to breathe, despite Bezo's deepest desires.
Not only is Mars too small to hold an atmosphere, it doesn't have the magnetic field needed to keep both the atmosphere and surface safe. And it can't be made to generate one. Anyone who says otherwise is proposing changing, wholesale, the composition of a planet's core and it's total mass.
That is Bezos's deepest desire. Would you like Prime air or air from Amazon basics?
Spaceballs is a documentary.
They would also have to find away to reignite mars core so it would redevelop a magnetosphere. Any planet colonization would most likely be out of our solar system. Chances are anyone who leaves earth to colonize a planet will not set foot on said planet, but their children or grandchildren might.
There's been talk about developing an artificial magnetosphere with a satellite at the martian L1.
That's a pretty old take from him. He's been saying it since high school. People assumed that means he wants to set up space colonies where billions will live and work, while only millions will stay on Earth and help maintain it as a nature preserve.
Now, looking at the ridiculous turtle-speed progress of Blue Origin, and realizing what all the elites believe - I don't think he thinks there will even be 7 billion humans in the future. Anywhere.
Sieg Zeon
Let his soul be pulled down by earth gravity. I will be enjoying my newtype existence.
At this point, I'm ready to say Sydney deserved to become a crater.
*Nah, Melbourne. Nuke Melbourne first, pls. And maybe Perth. The rest of the country will thank you for it, inshallah. praying hands emoji
It wouldn't be the first time.
Operation Meteor 3: Electric Jamboree
I didn't want to be here anyway.
The Elites have developed quite the god complexes, haven't they?
They can have all the planets of this solar system, as long as they never leave them. Once humanity is free of this horrific gravity well, there is never ANY reason to renter one. The hardest and most expensive part of any space operation is entering or leaving orbit.
I'll stay here, all non-frens can be sent out into the abyss.
"Ah, finally a place to be left alone." *20 years passes* "Another colony collapse- the NGOs will be ferrying more life pods here-"
i would like to live on mars, where subversives get made to walk out an airlock with no suit.
Weird that some people here unironically seem to think this is a good idea...
I'll absolutely fucking do as much damage as possible before ANYONE tries to forcibly deport me into space, or to anywhere I don't want to be, for that matter...
Fuck sperg turd, though. He'll be dead quite literally before we even land people on Mars, at this rate. He's just fucking shooting his dumb-as-shit mouth off while he still has the money to be relevant, lol.
Of all the people who deserve to be taken out by a disgruntled ex-employee, Bezos has to be just about the most "deserving"... rolls eyes
Fuck your depopulation fantasies, you absolute slime.
Also, it's funny how EVERY SINGLE billionaire, from Musk to Munger to Bezos to Gates, is utterly detached from reality, and from what "teh common people" actually want...
"Weird", that... Almost like they don't have any idea what the fuck they are talking about, and like, uhh, absolute power really does corrupt absolutely...
Gee, how unexpected! Not like there's any precedent for that, or anything! /s
500,000,000
Bezos will become another broke piece of shit if he doesn't sell a large part of his shares in the next 5 years. Maybe less. Amazon is teetering thanks to their reliance on Chinese scams...I mean, third-party merchants.
He's right. The rest will be sent to Venus.
Humans have not evolved to live in space. (Or if you believe in a god: God did not design humans to live in space.) I doubt that they can emulate all the factors for living on earth in space.
Bezos doesn't care about Earth, he just wants to be landlord and sole supplier to 7 billion people. He is doing everything in his power to stop SpaceX, and has already delayed the Artemis program by 7 months himself. For that matter he has failed to deliver his engines to ULA, knocking them out of competing for launch contracts. To top it all off, he hasn't delivered one gram to orbit. He is trying to kill space, not promote it.
Not really. No artifical environment, in space or on Mars or any outer system moon, could ever support more than a few million people. He's not saying it flat out, but he's talking about massive population reduction.
But there is material for trillions of artificial environments that can each support millions.
Unless the resources are infinite those same resources could be used to support even more lives on a ready made, habitable planet.
No they couldn't. We only have one habitable planet. Terraforming Venus and Mars would be much less efficient and even if you did terraform them you can only have so many lives on a terrestrial planet before it becomes impossible to remove waste heat. Thermodynamically Earth can probably only support in the low trillions and that's covering it in layers of mega city across its entire surface. You could spend a thousand years terraforming Venus to support a few billions in relative comfort or trillions in misery or ignore Venus and support quadrillions in the asteroid belt.
I thought we were talking about leaving earth empty to live in space? Yes once you hit an upper bound living on earth becomes little less costly than living in space, but for those first few trillion it would be much less resource intensive to live planetside than to fuck off into space for no reason.
Fuck man, just launch those spent cores into the Sun. Whats that gonna do, disrupt the delicate balance of the giant fireball's ecosystem? Foresight is a super power
Unless you're talking a fairy tale "infinite energy" scenario, you can support vastly more human lives terrestrially with any given amount of energy than you can in space. Earthside habitation will be preferred until population density becomes an issue. There's no way all of humanity would just voluntarily abandon the entire planet to become a glorified park. Bezos should just stick to being head delivery boy.
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