Two books perfect to get into the mindset of our current enemies, whether they're "rational" leftists or Marxist zombies. Knowing your opponents is one of the many ways to formulate tactics in getting ahead of the war.
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Could you at least describe these books?
The International Jew was a series of pamphlets that were published by Henry Ford, Sr. back in the 1920s. They're generally considered to be antisemetic.
The Culture of Critique is a series of books that focuses on the theory that "evolutionary psychology provides the motivations behind Jewish group behavior and culture" - basically that Jewish people are genetically geared to be ethnocentric and hostile towards non-Jews.
Sounds like the OP is heading into Jewish conspiracy theory territory.
When there's a genetic predisposition to certain behaviors, wouldn't that run counter to any need for some vast conspiracy, when it's just joggers jogging, as they do?
It would if that pre-disposition is a) not genetic, b) almost entirely cultural, c) what asserted major genetic differences that exist seem to be malleable over time in a way that corresponds to culture, again.
The irony here is that it's the same kind of fallacy the left uses - assert that it is genetic with anecdotal or circumstantial evidence, tell people to Trust the Science™.
That's because the Left fucking invented racialism.
Certainly, doesn't mean they're the only ones using it.
I've met Catholic jews who were fantastic people of good virtue.
Neat. I've also met black people who never killed anyone.
For Kevin MacDonald, I recommend checking out this debate with Nathan Cofnas: https://nathancofnas.com/debate-with-kevin-macdonald/ Cofnas is a Jewish scholar who is certainly not an SJW; he supports the free exchange of ideas and studying race differences in intelligence, and unlike many was willing to directly engage with MacDonald. MacDonald's views have some basis in truth: Jewish leftism is a major problem, and many are two-faced in their views on race and ethnicity. But he also goes beyond the evidence with his evolutionary theories. His arguments are interesting to read but should not be considered the final word.
I get that jews generally align left, and Israel has done some pretty dirty, hostile shit to the Western world (like stealing weapons-grade uranium from Europe and the US) but I find all this antisemitic conspiracy stuff to be a huge distraction, and it only de-legitimizes what we're trying to do here. Want to get us all labeled nazis? You're doing it.
I can already tell you his response, and he wouldn't be wrong:
We're already labeled as Nazis
That said, I still don't like his glowy shit.
I understand that, but it still turns people away very quickly. I'm about as close to a normie as it gets here, and every time I see this shit I'm just like nope nope nope
I’d rather wrongfully be called a Nazi and be able to point out how that’s bull shit and their views in no way align with my own vs have some one give a credible example of how someone in the group is a Nazi and we all upvote their glowy shit
The constant lumping a group of people into believing in a political doctrine and having power based on characteristics they have no control over such as race is a very sjw like belief system. and I too find the anti-Semitic conspiracy posts to be very wrong and to be giving political opponents ammunition.
We can happily put aside identity politics the moment everyone agrees to peacefully disarm. When people push their own tribalism non-stop, by word or deed, then only a fool would abandon his or her own tribalism. And if another tribe is attempting to systematically deny you tribal solidarity and collective action while nakedly participating in their own, then it is correct and good to identity them as your enemy.
This is all basic game theory shit. It's kind of sad watching people fail to understand it. I mean Christopher Langan gets it, but I suppose his IQ is around 200.
What does basic game theory tell us about convincing your enemies to attack the wrong group, while promoting factionalism in their own ranks?
Because, you're falling for it.
I feel the same way. Using race, ancestral culture, or whatever as a divisive factor is their tactic though. We don't win using their tactics against them, particularly when they control the narrative spin with their propaganda empire. I'm totally cool with reading any book to educate myself on it's contents, but I read almost everything with a skepticism and not an assumption of truth.
I get it, the tactics of the right aren't working. I'm not one to cry over some tactic having bad "optics" either. I just think trying to sling their shit back over the fence having stuck our messages on it is not the way. I don't have an answer to what we should be doing, because I have no idea. I just don't think it's this type stuff.
GG did work and it worked without the glowy anti semitism. That’s why it lives in their heads rent free. I have no interest in any form of identity politics and believe those bringing it into KiA should be laughed out.
Look around. You think GG worked? GG fucking lost hard.
Yes, I'm sure GG would have worked much better if a bunch of gamers had been screaming about the need to gatekeep jews out of gaming. That would definitely have accomplished everything.
Where is the line drawn between poor tactics and accurate analysis of the problem?
At identity politics.
It was a Pyrrhic victory but still a victory. No one until GG stood up to them. If it was a hard loss GG would not be the monster under the bed for them like it is. I don’t think a month has gone by over the past 6 years where some leftist outlet has not brought up GG. If you embrace identity politics and just blame another group for the worlds problems you are no different than them, and you are going to recruit way fewer people.
Go back to half KIA on reddit then. That's where you belong if you're not yet ready to grapple with horrifying realities.
Nah, I’m smart enough to know that identity politics is identity politics and I’m not going to embrace one to fight another.
Enjoy your continued losses and don't let the door hit you on the way out.
What continued losses? I’m not going anywhere.
Good point. I wasn't attuned to gaming journalism to catch on to Gamergate when it was new, but since I hang around here I've educated myself on it.
I think it's the same type opportunity there is with this whole GameStop stock debacle. It's not necessarily about telling them what to think (also leftist tactic) or forcing them to all agree. It's more to help more people come to the realization that what's being presented to them is a grandiose facade and they need to look for the man behind the curtain.
I’m not for telling people how to think either nor for all to agree on everything. But I’m going to point out this is sjw bull shit when they point to the man behind the curtain is people of “x ancestry”. It’s not correct and it is not helpful in anyway. It does not help with combating censorship. It does not help combating corruption in journalism, entertainment, or places of political power. What it does is give the far left something to point at as an example to dismiss arguments and press those who do businesses with us to cut ties and deplatform. It scares off normies. It’s identity politics minus the hammer and sickles and it’s a dumb take.
Yeah exactly. I was actually thinking along the lines of someone realizing they've been lied to about <insert lie> here, so then question other lies, and example could be the rhetoric that the world's problems are all white, black, Jews, Muslims or whoever's fault. Doesn't mean all those groups are perfect by any means, but I see it as destructive to use them as the evil scapegoat.
Which if I understand right was the whole outcome of Gamergate, it opened eyes.
On the other hand, when I see Eric Weinstein hold a grudge with the Roman Empire over something they did to Jews 2000 years ago -- especially when he provides no evidence it was even done to anyone in his direct ancestral line -- I can't help but have a "big think" about the levels of ethnic solidarity at least some members of that particular group have and are allowed to have and how that might manifest itself in other more relevant areas of life.
Whether the cause is genetic or just due to the lack of being told "knock that shit off" I don't know. It's not my desire to "other" any of my fellow citizens, but if they decide to "other" me that's valuable information to know; and it's something I don't want to be blind to.
His recent takes are some of the biggest unintentional red pills I've ever seen. When you see raw Jewish tribalism of that nature, a ton of "problematic" tumblers fall neatly in place.
Seriously. I was ambivalent about all this, then all of a sudden it's "Fuck Emperor Titus for what he did to my people!" And you're supposed to be one of the "reasonable" ones saying this as justification for attacking people for taking what you consider "extremist" positions?
At least the "extremists" are reacting to things going on today, to them and their direct family, by the present Western governments, rather than something that happened to people who may not have been related to them, done by a nation that no longer exists.
I guess what I'm thinking and probably doing a shit job at explaining is I don't think it's a good offensive tactic to use with what we're up against. I could be totally wrong, and I'm not bothered by that prospect I just haven't been convinced otherwise yet.
Defensive tactic on the other hand, is there ever really a reason to not have additional defensive tactics? I guess this has gotten off on a tangent too, since OP suggested reading some books and it turned into a racial warfare discussion. I'd never tell someone to not read a book of any sort. I might even read some of the suggestions myself. No reason to fear additional information if you're comfortable with your mind not taking it and making it into a manifesto.
What the right needs to do is to stop being reactionary and start being fucking assertive and unifying.
It's not just that the enemy's tactics won't work against them, it's that it also won't work for us.
The right simply doesn't even think in the same way that the Left does. It's something about the mindset of the right that closes ranks, gives ground, and isolates itself everytime when threatened. Haidt's probably right about "conservatives" existing as the result of a psyche that is reacting to a kind of disease threat. The Left exploits that by feeding the right narratives, and exploiting their natural reaction to give ground when threatened, hoping to push them into a purity spiral that collapses all possible threats at the same time.
The right must push a unifying, affirmative, and heroic narrative for itself going forward. Accepting the Leftist narrative about being racist, and then ranting about the Jews is literally the opposite of that.
The unity part has to go with the assertive part to be successful. Right now I couldn't imagine wading into battle, literally or figuratively, with much of the right. Because as soon as the time came that life or livelihood has to be put on the line, there's zero confidence the people beside you would still be there. It's like Patton said "Hell, they won't miss me, just one man in thousands. What if every man said that? Where in the hell would we be then?"
Huge amounts would say just that, "they won't miss me" then all you've got left is a few that have been hung out to dry with no chance of success. That applies in a lot of different ways even just in the standard political space, just look how many Republicans backed down as soon as it might cost them something.
I 100% agree.
Way too much black pills on the right. It's a problem with their psyche.
I'm not kidding when I say a ton of the resistance is coming almost explicitly from, not only veterans, but veteran US Marines. The psyche of a Marine promotes the idea of responding to impossible odds with obstinance, aggression, and an utter refusal to lose. Frankly, I don't find that anywhere else on the right.
Here's what I mean: Task Force "Papa Bear" has their HQ unit attacked by an Iraqi Armored platoon. Non-infantry Marines respond by not withdrawing, and engaging in direct combat with enemy armor. One Marine corporal charges out into the desert and knocks a tank out with an AT-4.
The kind of psyche that Marines develop in dire situations where they should normally consider withdrawing is their most valuable asset in combat. They go all "No fuck you!" and rush a tank. They promote not only marksmanship, but explicit aggression and violence of action in order to accomplish objectives.
That psyche is guaranteed to generate fucking results. And it's exactly the kind of mentality you want in a fight. What we keep seeing on the right is most of the reactionaries withdrawing or black-pilling, most of the conservatives trying consolidate, and a bunch of veterans (mostly Marines) explicitly defying authority and doing the genuine dirty work of challenging health departments, police forces, and political leadership through Civil Disobedience.
Being a former Marine... you can guess why I like that shit, and want to promote the rest of the right joining in the fight that's already underway.
Poor Jews stand with Poor Atheists and Poor Catholics and Poor Ughyrs and Poor Daoists. You can care about categories once you're in one that matters, like "the elite".
One dirt farmer looks at another dirt farmer, and says "you have more freckles than I, therefore I must distrust you." the other returns with "your hair is wavier than mine, therefore I distrust you in turn". The king looks upon both and says "keep working, slaves", unable to exert the effort to distinguish a freckled slave from a wavy-haired slave. To him, they are all the same inferior entity.
Keeping in mind that the king is defined as the one with the most power and wealth, whom do you imagine jews to be in this metaphor?
That depends. Are they poor? Then they're the slaves in the metaphor. If the king is white anglo-saxon protestant, that doesn't make all WASPs kings. In fact, all but one WASP are not kings, and to define the king as anything except "King" does a disservice to all who share those traits. If the king is 5'8", does that mean all people 5'8" are kings?
We will get labeled as nazis anyway for simply opposing the commie agenda. Might as well get to wear those snappy uniforms.
Agreeing to Leftist narratives is submission to Leftism. This is why reactionaries will always fail.
https://cis.org/Report/Jewish-Stake-Americas-Changing-Demography
That's a Jewish man copping to the Jewish strategy of undermining the dominant demographic of a host country in order for Jews to outcompete and secure power. He even acknowledges that Jews have to be careful not to overdo it because brown people can't be controlled by Holocaust guilt.
No worries, though, here's another Jewish man working to make Holocaust education mandatory in third world countries:
https://www.thejc.com/comment/opinion/we-need-holocaust-education-in-every-school-in-the-world-1.501366
That should help poor black African children understand that the most privileged and powerful demographic in the world is, in fact, the most oppressed victims group in the world. Because people who have struggled with starvation and oppression for their entire lives should definitely care what happened to the ancestors of the wealthy elite 75 years ago...
Maybe if they can use carefully chosen arbitrary numbers to maximize the size of the tragedy without relinquishing Jewish primacy of the victim narrative...
https://www.jta.org/2017/01/31/united-states/remember-the-11-million-why-an-inflated-victims-tally-irks-holocaust-historians
That insane, helpless feeling you get when you're not allowed to criticize BLM riots because you will immediately be branded a racist? Or the fury you feel when criticizing muslim terrorists makes you islamaphobic? That's exactly how accusations of anti-semitism work, only a million times more severe because "whom you're not allowed to criticize" in this case also happen to control the media, education, entertainment, and government.
Haven't ever heard anyone say it's all the Jews fault. They engage in behaviors that destroy social trust at levels disproportionate to their numbers, though.
Calling it a genetic predisposition is a mistake, though. The fault is entirely memetic; there is a nearly-insurmountable victim complex which, when combined with a moral vacuum (Judaism is, increasingly, proving to be this just as much as atheism) gives apparent moral license to subvert and destroy for gain (personal or tribal).
Disagree. Thousands of years of the most successful among them being the most deceitful and parasitic towards their host populations would lend itself, at least to a margin, toward selection pressure. The fault may be partially memetic, but the same behavior that has drawn ire is every bit as present today as it was under Edward I or Hadrian.
It’s a view by sjws who happen to dislike Marx. Only difference
What a retarded example lol
I mean have you not noticed how well the anti-white movement has been working out for leftists? Their war on the middle class went nowhere until they rebranded it as a war on white supremacy. The lesson has NOT been "identity politics don't work", and you'd have to be delusional to think otherwise.
Then you are lost.
There is no joy in war, and make no mistake, we are at war.
Yes we are... against Leftists.
If you insist on engaging in a self-destructive side-quest that supports Leftist narratives about us, you are not acting in a way that is going to do anything but lose that war.
You've probably seen my opinion on the matter, but I'll repeat it here in the hopes that someone who was thinking about reading these works contemplates what I believe is a more logical alternative:
"Being Jewish" is not a genetic fault, as Ford et. al. argue, but there is a toxic meme so deeply ingrained in the identity that it requires a countervailing meme to normalize behavior.
The sense of persecution is so overwhelming that the only thing which countermands the sense of entitlement to engage in the destruction of the perceived threat is to hold above all else a more valued identity - namely, Christianity. Some find that higher identity in politics (genuine libertarians, for example), and others have a weaker connection to their genetic-memetic identity which leaves them less vulnerable to the narrative that the society they live in and their neighbors must be subsumed or destroyed before the next Shoah begins, but a vacuum (atheism, state-worship) or a related identity (Judaism) allows the persecution complex to run amok.
There's not a good way to combat it, either. We can no more erase the Holocaust meme than they can forget it. Every man or woman who knows himself or herself first and foremost as Jewish will have been told or will have reached the conclusion that the only way to ensure that Jews are never persecuted as they were in the past is to assert control over everyone around them to prevent it.
I agree with this. They got a free pass for a time for negative cultural traits because people felt uncomfortable criticizing them due to the Holocaust, and now those negative traits have become pathological.
It's the same with Black culture: people felt uncomfortable criticizing negative traits in that culture because of slavery and Jim Crow; and now those negative traits have become pathological.
Whether or not the negative traits of either group are genetic is irrelevant, because whether they are or aren't we as a society are incapable of confronting them. And the only peaceful solution -- which is to collectively tell them all to knock that shit off and stop playing the victim for something very few alive today actually lived through -- is the same whether or not the cause is genetic.
Book recommendation time in turn:
"The Prince", by Machiavelli, and "Rules for Radicals", by Alynski.
Why get into the mindset of our "current" enemy, whatever the hell that means, when you can get into the TOOLSET of every enemy from the dawn of time to present? Those two books alone will let you identify evil in all its forms, but not only that, they explain how each tool works, including its weaknesses.
One of the primary tactics of our enemies is to balkanize their opponents into factional infighting, and require each faction to affiliate itself with some savior that inevitably betrays the people they claim to protect... like racialists.
Racialism was always Progressive.
I recommend "Intellectuals And Race" by Thomas Sowell.
Trifles for a Massacre by the great Louis-Ferdinand Céline is another piece of work covering the same ground. Jews in France have tried to stop it being published for years, and for the most part they've been successful, as it was never published in France. You can find it on Amazon, if you aren't keen on paying, you should find it online.
Céline is so good that even the Guardian was willing to overlook his politics and read his work