spend the rest of your life trying to help people not make the same mistake.
That’d be the honorable thing to do. Every kid who gets influenced by a tranny or by some perv who just wants to groom them, should get to talk to a detransitioner.
You believe that a person should be punished for their speech
Well yeah, sometimes.
Well, you're wrong. All speech, of any nature must always be allowed. And not even the supreme court quote rebuts that:
"The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting 'fire' in a theatre and causing a panic"
The speech is protected. Maliciously causing panic is not protected.
You MIGHT cause panic through speech, but you might also cause it by igniting a smoke grenade. Either way, the crime is maliciously causing panic, not speech.
And it's wrong to conclude, "he was punished for his speech"
It's wrong in exactly the same way that a Leftist is wrong when they say things like, "he was shot by police for driving while black" - no, he wasn't.
Both of those are the same cognitive error - failure to accurately ascribe a cause to an effect.
I'm a right-wing Conservative blogger
My apologies. Got ahead of myself.
I thought there was general agreement that Jones is entitled to his opinion, even if his opinion is batshit crazy. He did not intend, nor did he participate in any "harassment" - and the case against him was frivolous from the start.
One anecdote: when they demanded he turn over his emails, he turned them all over. Apparently in his spam folder there were illegal photos that he wasn't aware of. They then claimed he was trying to get them in trouble by sending them.
I think that libel and slander laws are fine as they are.
The distinction that I draw is in the mind of the person communicating. The legal term is "mens rea" if you want to look it up.
If I know that something is a lie - I know it for a fact - but I say it anyway - I knowingly communicate a lie - AND ALSO I do this with the motive of materially harming you - "materially" meaning that I intend to destroy your business through repetitional damage, for example ...
... then the issue at hand is NOT the speech. Then the issue is the "mens rea" - the "guilty mind" - and the motive to cause harm.
And I think (hope, anyway) that that's what libel and slander laws address.
So, I'll give an example of something that must be protected, for society to be free, vs. something that should be prosecuted:
Christine Blasey Ford accused Brett Kavanaugh of raping her. I should be allowed to believe Ford. For whatever reason, on whatever basis, I should be allowed to have that thought. I should also be allowed to believe Kavanaugh, for whatever reason or reasons are compelling to me.
So, if I go around saying, "Kavanaugh is a rapist!" that must be protected speech. It I go around saying, "Ford is a liar" that must be protected too ...because my right to think that must be protected.
On the other hand, if Ford knows for a fact that what she's saying is a lie, and her motive (especially in waiting until he was nominated to the supreme court) is specifically to materially harm him, then she should be prosecuted ...but not for her speech. She should be prosecuted for lying with that specific motive.
So, I think a person must be allowed to think and say whatever they truly believe ...even if they're wrong. If you really believe that Kavanaugh is a rapist, or your really believe that Bush did 911, or you really believe that Trump is hitler, you must be allowed to think and say it.
But if you don't actually believe, but you say it anyway AND your motive is to materially harm (not emotionally, but materially) then I think you should face financial repercussions.
Yep. I doubt Vordrak knows any of that. It's just like I said to him: he has lived his whole life in an ideological bubble. I am cautiously hopeful that he's willing to stick around and have a discussion, but I have never, ever, seen a Leftist do that. They alway run away, or (on reddit) use bullying tactics like blocking or banning.
Alex Jones deserved to be punished
…for speech. If this is your position then you need to state it in its entirety and stand by it.
You believe that a person should be punished for their speech
Come on, say that outright and with no ambiguity, and then stick around and defend your belief. I’d love to finally meet someone who believes this who has the courage to say it and defend it, but so far, without exception, everyone I’ve encountered who believes what you believe has turned out to be a coward.
You’re not aware of this because you just came here from Reddit. You came here from an ideological bubble where you have never been challenged and never needed to defend your positions. So you assume you must be right …. because after all, nobody has ever proved you wrong. But the truth is, this is the very first time in your life where proving you wrong was even allowed.
Some come on! Don’t be a coward! Confirm that you think a person should be punished for their speech.
Remember when formula 1 got rid of the grid girls? Every single one of the girls protested. It was an easy gig and it paid well. Nobody harassed them. They didn’t feel “objectified” - they felt like stars. They loved it
And there wasn’t significant outcry from regular woman either. There certainly wasn’t criticism by fans. It was literally just a few fat ugly feminists who never watched formula 1 anyway.
Honestly, in terms of intelligence, he is about the baseline for what we should expect from every politician. We somehow normalized senior citizens and dumb bitches and forgot what smart people sound like.
Trump is sharp for his age but even he is on the decline.
Sure you can fork, but the linux foundation isn't going to finance your fork...
It’s worse than that. If you fork specifically to get away from leftist politics, they will label your fork “nazi Linux” and any company that uses it or supports it they’ll call a “nazi company”
Frankly, I think we’re already a communist country. The communists control basically everything.
ever since he started paying blue checkmarks for engagement everyone had to try their damnest to get in on that pie
Okay but I distinctly remember in 2017 trump blocked some asshole who did nothing but call him hitler. The asshole took him to court and the argument was that you had to be one of the first replies so that people would see your reply. “I have to be an asshole, your honor! It’s important for my career!!” And the judge made Trump unblock the guy.
I can’t say if it’s gotten worse since then. I think twitter is a toxic trap. But I don’t think it started with musk.
Yep. If you think you have bitcoin because you have a coinbase account, you’re in for a real shock. They will lock you out in a heartbeat.
If you have your own wallet and the feds know about it, they will blacklist it on every exchange preventing you from turning it into cash - that is functionally equivalent to seizing it.
Hopefully she had her assets in something other than just bank accounts and YouTube money
I don’t think there’s anything you can have your assets in that the feds cannot take. If you’re alluding to bitcoin, I hate to tell you, but that’s not safe either. As soon as you try to convert it into cash so that you can buy groceries for your family or make your rent payment, the feds will be on you. They know all your wallets, and all the exchanges cooperate with them.
you have to shill for Putin
At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if the claim is that criticism of Kamala Harris = “shilling for Putin”
And think how easy it would be for the CIA to open a bank account in Russia and then buy superchats using that money for any content creator they want to shut down.
They can effectively make it illegal to criticize Kamala Harris as a content creator. Literally illegal. I mean, you can’t do it and keep your day job. You have to rely on donations. And the CIA will make sure some of your donations are “””from Russia””” which sets up the chain that puts you in jail.
Does anyone have the video from around 2015 (it was before Trump) of protests against some speaker (maybe Milo?) at some university (maybe Berkeley) where a black cop is on a balcony looking down on white protesters telling them that racism doesn’t exist, and they tell him he just needs to be educated about it?
Seems pretty clear that right now big corporate interests are propping up Reddit and suppressing alternatives. They control Reddit and they paid big money to make that happen. They’re protecting their investment.
Some alternatives that have come and gone include voat and poal.
4chan is compromised too. We’re just weeks from an election and they’re doing nothing. Remember September 2016? Pol was the source of almost every meme back then. Today - nothing. And infinity chan is totally dead.
I’m legitimately shocked that this place, and the farms are still active.
Censorship of the right is so normalized that any new discussion website that doesn’t also heavily censor ends up majority right-wing. Then it ends up being targeted for cancellation
You’d probably have to start a discussion website and ban all politics in order to get a foothold and a user base without being branded right wing.
The problem is that leftists and trannies make everything political. You couldn’t have a forum about legos without one of them starting trouble by announcing his pronouns and his “pride” - then if you tell him to stfu because no politics, he’s going to say something retarded like “trans rights aren’t political, it’s just being a decent human being!”
For me it was slashdot, then digg, then fark, then Reddit. I was recently site-banned from Reddit just like op (presumably related to the election - they’re being extra censorious) but Reddit sure had, and is still having, a long run.
The UI redesign a few years ago should have killed it. It’s god awful.
These people get a high off banning people.
And blocking too. Reddit’s user blocking mechanism lets you reply to someone, then block them, and they see your reply but can’t reply back. It is specifically designed to let petty people who can’t defend their ideas get the last word (i.e. let the dumb ideas persist unrebutted)
You're just their tax bitch.
It's not even that. They don't actually need us to pay taxes. They can (and do) print all the money they need. We're just serfs. They just want the power to control us.
It's no more complicated than this: telling people what to do gets their dicks hard. It bugs them to see people deciding what to do and when to do it, what to eat, what to say and think. They just want control.
Everyone who isn’t a leftist is called “far right”
I heard some retard in a bar ranting about politics and he called Dr Phil “far right” so I asked him for an example of someone who is on the right but not far right. It was as if he couldn’t even understand the question.