If you think we are ever going back to normal you are mistaken. The rift that happened in the last 4 years is not going to go away no matter who wins. Media and academia have made anyone who is not a leftist to be subhuman. They will continue this trend, the left is not listening to the right, why would they listen to subhuman monsters.
Nothing short of complete submission to leftist ideology will appease them.
Just the debate over immigration went totally insane.
Now anything but totally open borders with limitless immigration makes you a racist nazi. It is outside the realm of acceptable opinion to refuse to have the population of your nation replaced by mass-migration.
In many areas and most universities everywhere, you cannot oppose immigration without being censored for hate speech and sent to re-education "sensitivity training".
How does a society unite back from that? It dosen't. It either snaps into another major paradigm-shift conflict eliminating mass-migration from the landscape of political opinion, or dissolves in mass-migration and stops existing.
It was already starting at the end of the Bush years. Obama accellerated it, and the election of Trump was the final straw.
You're right, though. There's no going back to how it was. It's going to be like this for the forseeable future, and whatever it becomes, it won't ever be what it was, ever again.
There is a very real possibility the US is heading for civil war and secessions very soon.
Irrelevant of the result, how do we reconcile? Do you believe if Trump loses, people will just go "oh the polls must be right, I guess he lost"? Do you believe the left won't unhinge twice as hard in its attempts to pack courts, push the agenda, and stop any hope of the US staying the US? I don't know that we do reconcile frankly, the left is pushing division at every opportunity.
Spez: to answer the question, no I don't believe we can. "Best" case it gets memoryholed.
I think were fucked eventually, the next democrat that gets in, unless something changes, is going to flood us with immigrants/refugees, pack the courts, make mail in a regular thing, and look the other way on all of the fuckery going on.
And then you have nothing but leftists getting elected and a giant chunk of the country feeling like they don't have a voice.
I guess that raises another question, what bar is currently set that people will believe a result is legitimate? I dint know anyone who can be convinced their candidate lost in this particular election.
Then, at what point does secession become a worthwhile option?
Then, at what point does secession become a worthwhile option?
As soon as someone can determine how to divide the country into urban and rural in a way both sides will respect (because the Constitution already does that, but the urban population centers don't respect it).
I'm demoralized, but I spend to much time online and my hobbies turned to shit. If Trump does not win, I'll just cut myself off from online and most people and just wait for time to passes and hope to stay safe while everything I love, outside of family turns to shit. I do not think I'll get involved in politics in the future. I'm thinking maybe start fishing? I'm not much in to outdoors but good time to start I guess.
My hobbies and everything I grew up with turned to shit too. (Thanks, women!)
If I could rid you of your tunnelvision that ignores the pathetic, smelly, greasy men ruining your hobbies and the women who are based, I would die a happy man.........
Republicans will never win another presidency for a very very long time
Leftists will feel empowered so I expect they will push more transgender stuff, more white hate, more brainwashing and even more anti-male discrimination
free speech will be gone, conservatives will need to go in to hiding or they will be ostracized from society
they will restrict second amendment to the point where they are going to take them away
taxes will increase
corporations that are on the left will be pushed globally and SJW anti-white and anti-male propaganda will be a global phenomenon
Media and games will also be empowered to be as SJW as possible
Hopefully I die before I get to see everything going to shit
Reconciliation will happen over generations, as it takes generations to undo the damage of demoralization. The process might speed up with the mass exodus from large cities, but only time will tell.
In the mean time, it's important to remember that the useful idiots are victims, and are not inheritly your enemy. Many are so far gone that they can't be brought back, but most are not. Do your best to rehabilitate them by reminding them how good we have it, how great your country is, and reminding them of their individuality.
There is no reconciling, the right has already lost. All of this is just squabbling and dragging out the inevitable. Look at what ethnic groups vote for which party and population growth. Even if by some miracle the republicans win the next election and the next president is a republican too - is that somehow gonna reverse the trend? Same in Europe. I don't see any way to change this without radical action nobody would support (no, not violence either)
No, I can tell you. It's basically more of what we already have.
Being stricter on immigration,
making sure "refugees" MUST go home at some point,
making sure there is some way to still get the endless money back that was given to them,
encouraging families with progressively bigger tax breaks for more educated or income generating families (because those are exactly the people who we want more of and who can guarantee their children a decent childhood and education just based on personal wealth, so that the state won't have to give them even more money)
I don't see anyone leaning left nowadays agreeing to any of that because those are the exact things they hate and want to get rid of already.
Lol you're an incel because you have a lousy job and can't afford a family, we're gonna make you even more unappealing as a mate by taxing you even more
Even if I thought it was possible, why would I want to? How does it benefit me?
Certainly I want to see them defeated, but I want that to be done in such a way that I'm no longer in a political union with them. Let them do their thing somewhere else where it doesn't affect me. That's the main thing for me: if a bunch of people want to live in a society where 8 year olds can "change gender", that's their business. But I don't want anything to do with it or be forced to put up with it.
It's the same thing with these "unity" candidates the Weinstein Brothers are trying (and failing thanks to twitter censorship) to put forward. Who honestly thinks either of those guys would want to be "united" with some Evangelical in rural Appalachia if they truly thought the rural Appalachian had any chance at wielding political power over them? The only reason they want "unity" is because they think they'll be the ones wielding the political power.
The only "unity" I want is agreement on where the boundaries between my nation-state ends and where theirs begins, and an understanding of what the penalties are if someone crosses that boundary without permission.
Reconciliation is not really possible. The Right and Left cannot come together, not when the Left wants the Right dead. There’s a war going on and only one side is fighting it. If you truly want the left and right to come together, the Left’s massive power bases need to be destroyed. Hollywood, corporations, media and academia all need to be subjugated and their ringleaders made examples of.
I think there is a real possibility we reconcile after an outburst of violence. I want us to be able to reconcile in a civil fashion, but this has been decades in the making and it's not the sort of thing that can be undone at a moment's notice.
Our social contract is being strained, and in some places outright shredded. We're losing the ability to trust one another as countrymen. Not everywhere, but too many places where the left is willing to take advantage of people's good natures. Many urban metro areas, for example. That sort of behavior comes with a price, and if we start losing the ability to rely on the police to enforce the law? It's going to get ugly.
I'm hoping and praying that cooler heads prevail and someone in the democrat party leadership, or an influential leftist populist, is able to grasp the reins of the party and steer it away, but it's probably not going to happen before there's a flaring. They've chosen to embrace their crazies and let them run wild, because they think it will give them power. I don't know how you oppose that, other than staying true to principals, setting a good example, and defending one's rights.
The left has successfully hollowed out many of the old pillars of society. They're going to crumble, and the country is going to need other pillars to hold everything up while we rebuild. I think the best thing we can do is try and be those pillars, and hope that reconciliation follows. Otherwise, I guess we have to play it by ear.
I agree with this 100% but there are pitfalls to be avoided. Part of the problem isn't that the left simply takes a side, they tend to go all in. These people are true believers.
Punishing a single bad actor, guilty as they are, creates a martyr in the eyes of the rest of the movement. Instead of deterring wrong, they rally around the prosecuted and push to abolish crimes related to whatever they were punished for. This is how we get calls to disband police when a thug gets shot. The left can't resist letting good victimhood go to waste. They thrive on it.
So it's a little tricky. How do you discourage and prosecute without becoming a target, either immediately or down the road?
The cult has had subversive power for decades, it won’t disappear over night.
I’ve seen various predictions, but I don’t trust any of them to be accurate. You do have to remember that the internet loves to amplify the extremes, and the US isn’t Twitter, Reddit, etc.
I live in the middle of the Southern US, and most people around here are open Trumpers, but the city I go to Uni in is quite a bit more supportive of the left. A lot of my lefty classmates happen to be Bernie supporters though, so turn out for Biden is questionable.
My generally non-political parents are pissed at the Democrats this year and even though they don’t love Trump, they have been “red-pilled” about the media, and there is no telling how many other Americans feel the same way.
I’m not quite seeing the Dems losing by a small enough margin that mail in ballots will change the outcome without looking extremely suspicious, but I could be extremely wrong. That is also assuming that the Dems haven’t gone so far gone that they no longer care about optics at all, which might be giving them too much credit.
If the Dems do manage to win, they will likely double down on making sure Trump never happens again, and will disenfranchise half of the population to get their way. To know what happens afterwards you just have to look at what has happened in the past whenever a similar minded group of individuals have no political say and are getting actively oppressed by a government.
The media has convinced people that Democracy is dying and the fascists are rising to power, so if the Dems lose the violence will increase before it decreases. Cities will burn and people will be killed, and we have to hope it doesn’t leave the cities that allow it.
The US is full steam ahead in the demographic transition. There is nothing to reconcile about. This isn't a Civil War, where the same people is killing each other and can make peace latter. This is literally different people's fighting for resources, wealth and power. Trump with his last minute deal for Black America is just a desperate attempt to bribe one of those people's and keep the power. It is like what Gaddafi used to do in Lybia.
If you think we are ever going back to normal you are mistaken. The rift that happened in the last 4 years is not going to go away no matter who wins. Media and academia have made anyone who is not a leftist to be subhuman. They will continue this trend, the left is not listening to the right, why would they listen to subhuman monsters. Nothing short of complete submission to leftist ideology will appease them.
Just the debate over immigration went totally insane.
Now anything but totally open borders with limitless immigration makes you a racist nazi. It is outside the realm of acceptable opinion to refuse to have the population of your nation replaced by mass-migration.
In many areas and most universities everywhere, you cannot oppose immigration without being censored for hate speech and sent to re-education "sensitivity training".
How does a society unite back from that? It dosen't. It either snaps into another major paradigm-shift conflict eliminating mass-migration from the landscape of political opinion, or dissolves in mass-migration and stops existing.
I'll settle for subjugating them and seeing to it that can spread no more harm.
It was already starting at the end of the Bush years. Obama accellerated it, and the election of Trump was the final straw.
You're right, though. There's no going back to how it was. It's going to be like this for the forseeable future, and whatever it becomes, it won't ever be what it was, ever again.
There is a very real possibility the US is heading for civil war and secessions very soon.
Irrelevant of the result, how do we reconcile? Do you believe if Trump loses, people will just go "oh the polls must be right, I guess he lost"? Do you believe the left won't unhinge twice as hard in its attempts to pack courts, push the agenda, and stop any hope of the US staying the US? I don't know that we do reconcile frankly, the left is pushing division at every opportunity.
Spez: to answer the question, no I don't believe we can. "Best" case it gets memoryholed.
I think were fucked eventually, the next democrat that gets in, unless something changes, is going to flood us with immigrants/refugees, pack the courts, make mail in a regular thing, and look the other way on all of the fuckery going on.
And then you have nothing but leftists getting elected and a giant chunk of the country feeling like they don't have a voice.
Gonna be real fucking fun.
court packing and removing the filibuster will result in secession of texas, florida and a lot of the south and midwest
if the then president harris calls up the army to stop it the corrupted brass might go for it but the grunts won't participate enthusiastically
that will necessitate UN "peacekeepers" at which point they will realize "behind every blade of grass" is closer to reality than metaphor
Texas is purple, no way for a secession. Fuck I'm depressed.
Nay, son, if they take Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin they're in.
So GEOTUS wins in a landslide on Election Day, and then the race is on for the Dems to find as many ballots as they can.
There is no reconciliation with people who would rather me or anyone like me be dead.
I guess that raises another question, what bar is currently set that people will believe a result is legitimate? I dint know anyone who can be convinced their candidate lost in this particular election.
Then, at what point does secession become a worthwhile option?
As soon as someone can determine how to divide the country into urban and rural in a way both sides will respect (because the Constitution already does that, but the urban population centers don't respect it).
I'm demoralized, but I spend to much time online and my hobbies turned to shit. If Trump does not win, I'll just cut myself off from online and most people and just wait for time to passes and hope to stay safe while everything I love, outside of family turns to shit. I do not think I'll get involved in politics in the future. I'm thinking maybe start fishing? I'm not much in to outdoors but good time to start I guess.
If I could rid you of your tunnelvision that ignores the pathetic, smelly, greasy men ruining your hobbies and the women who are based, I would die a happy man.........
At that point, red state seccessionism will be the hot topic. Civil war.
Or that's when the optics game will end and people will start looking for solutions outside the system.
Trump or Biden giving freedom to the people? Yeah right...
What I expect:
This is what the left believed after Obama won two terms.
They got cocky. I'm not counting on that mistake again.
The goal isn't to die for your country, but to make the other motherfucker die for theirs. Stop fucking whimpering. If push comes to shove, shove.
There is no reconciling. Either Biden wins and we're crushed, or Biden loses and we're crushed in 4 years.
Reconciliation will happen over generations, as it takes generations to undo the damage of demoralization. The process might speed up with the mass exodus from large cities, but only time will tell.
In the mean time, it's important to remember that the useful idiots are victims, and are not inheritly your enemy. Many are so far gone that they can't be brought back, but most are not. Do your best to rehabilitate them by reminding them how good we have it, how great your country is, and reminding them of their individuality.
Yeah, I suspect that this level of hate will die out along with the old, bitter cat ladies that today's gender warriors will become.
I'm imagining the male feminists of the group will either have been #metoo'd or contributed to the suicide statistics by that point already.
There is no reconciling, the right has already lost. All of this is just squabbling and dragging out the inevitable. Look at what ethnic groups vote for which party and population growth. Even if by some miracle the republicans win the next election and the next president is a republican too - is that somehow gonna reverse the trend? Same in Europe. I don't see any way to change this without radical action nobody would support (no, not violence either)
You don't have to believe it, but you will have to suffer the truth of it.
No, I can tell you. It's basically more of what we already have.
Being stricter on immigration,
making sure "refugees" MUST go home at some point,
making sure there is some way to still get the endless money back that was given to them,
encouraging families with progressively bigger tax breaks for more educated or income generating families (because those are exactly the people who we want more of and who can guarantee their children a decent childhood and education just based on personal wealth, so that the state won't have to give them even more money)
I don't see anyone leaning left nowadays agreeing to any of that because those are the exact things they hate and want to get rid of already.
Lol you're an incel because you have a lousy job and can't afford a family, we're gonna make you even more unappealing as a mate by taxing you even more
Even if I thought it was possible, why would I want to? How does it benefit me?
Certainly I want to see them defeated, but I want that to be done in such a way that I'm no longer in a political union with them. Let them do their thing somewhere else where it doesn't affect me. That's the main thing for me: if a bunch of people want to live in a society where 8 year olds can "change gender", that's their business. But I don't want anything to do with it or be forced to put up with it.
It's the same thing with these "unity" candidates the Weinstein Brothers are trying (and failing thanks to twitter censorship) to put forward. Who honestly thinks either of those guys would want to be "united" with some Evangelical in rural Appalachia if they truly thought the rural Appalachian had any chance at wielding political power over them? The only reason they want "unity" is because they think they'll be the ones wielding the political power.
The only "unity" I want is agreement on where the boundaries between my nation-state ends and where theirs begins, and an understanding of what the penalties are if someone crosses that boundary without permission.
Reconciliation is not really possible. The Right and Left cannot come together, not when the Left wants the Right dead. There’s a war going on and only one side is fighting it. If you truly want the left and right to come together, the Left’s massive power bases need to be destroyed. Hollywood, corporations, media and academia all need to be subjugated and their ringleaders made examples of.
I think there is a real possibility we reconcile after an outburst of violence. I want us to be able to reconcile in a civil fashion, but this has been decades in the making and it's not the sort of thing that can be undone at a moment's notice.
Our social contract is being strained, and in some places outright shredded. We're losing the ability to trust one another as countrymen. Not everywhere, but too many places where the left is willing to take advantage of people's good natures. Many urban metro areas, for example. That sort of behavior comes with a price, and if we start losing the ability to rely on the police to enforce the law? It's going to get ugly.
I'm hoping and praying that cooler heads prevail and someone in the democrat party leadership, or an influential leftist populist, is able to grasp the reins of the party and steer it away, but it's probably not going to happen before there's a flaring. They've chosen to embrace their crazies and let them run wild, because they think it will give them power. I don't know how you oppose that, other than staying true to principals, setting a good example, and defending one's rights.
The left has successfully hollowed out many of the old pillars of society. They're going to crumble, and the country is going to need other pillars to hold everything up while we rebuild. I think the best thing we can do is try and be those pillars, and hope that reconciliation follows. Otherwise, I guess we have to play it by ear.
Yes, we can reconcile by making an example of bad actors and punishing them. Then people will wake up.
I agree with this 100% but there are pitfalls to be avoided. Part of the problem isn't that the left simply takes a side, they tend to go all in. These people are true believers.
Punishing a single bad actor, guilty as they are, creates a martyr in the eyes of the rest of the movement. Instead of deterring wrong, they rally around the prosecuted and push to abolish crimes related to whatever they were punished for. This is how we get calls to disband police when a thug gets shot. The left can't resist letting good victimhood go to waste. They thrive on it.
So it's a little tricky. How do you discourage and prosecute without becoming a target, either immediately or down the road?
The cult has had subversive power for decades, it won’t disappear over night.
I’ve seen various predictions, but I don’t trust any of them to be accurate. You do have to remember that the internet loves to amplify the extremes, and the US isn’t Twitter, Reddit, etc.
I live in the middle of the Southern US, and most people around here are open Trumpers, but the city I go to Uni in is quite a bit more supportive of the left. A lot of my lefty classmates happen to be Bernie supporters though, so turn out for Biden is questionable.
My generally non-political parents are pissed at the Democrats this year and even though they don’t love Trump, they have been “red-pilled” about the media, and there is no telling how many other Americans feel the same way.
I’m not quite seeing the Dems losing by a small enough margin that mail in ballots will change the outcome without looking extremely suspicious, but I could be extremely wrong. That is also assuming that the Dems haven’t gone so far gone that they no longer care about optics at all, which might be giving them too much credit.
If the Dems do manage to win, they will likely double down on making sure Trump never happens again, and will disenfranchise half of the population to get their way. To know what happens afterwards you just have to look at what has happened in the past whenever a similar minded group of individuals have no political say and are getting actively oppressed by a government.
The media has convinced people that Democracy is dying and the fascists are rising to power, so if the Dems lose the violence will increase before it decreases. Cities will burn and people will be killed, and we have to hope it doesn’t leave the cities that allow it.
I don’t have to reconcile anything. I say live and let live, but if you want to fuck around, you’ll find out.
A house divided against itself cannot stand.
But that was the point to begin with. Radical leftists hate their country, no matter what it is.
Like I said, if they want to fuck around-
No.
The US is full steam ahead in the demographic transition. There is nothing to reconcile about. This isn't a Civil War, where the same people is killing each other and can make peace latter. This is literally different people's fighting for resources, wealth and power. Trump with his last minute deal for Black America is just a desperate attempt to bribe one of those people's and keep the power. It is like what Gaddafi used to do in Lybia.
There's no reconciliation that needs to be done. Marxists have to be expunged from existence.