I can imagine the Amazon exec getting increasingly frustrated as pitches came to they/them about combatting aliens in the Canadian wilderness instead of focusing on how queer the members of Stargate Command are. Maybe if they’d done a plot about refugees coming through the Stargate to start a new life on Earth and how evil conservatives oppose them. Or the evil system lord Ponald Drumpf and his Magalien army which attacks the capital building.
Ehhhh. A bit more nuanced than that. Parts of the US military there were very eager to exploit the living hell out of the group of Tolan for potential advances in technology. And the Tolan just wanted to figure out a way to get home.
It was more of a typical case of the military being power abusing assholes kind of cliche, not necessarily conservatives.
Almost reads like a Babylon bee title but that is the way modern execs thinks. The people who are actual fans would like this? Gotta get rid of it. Imagine if Rings of Power or Wheel of Time catered to actual fans
There's an unholy union between the executives (who are simultaneously risk-averse and obsessed with growth) and the leftist creatives (who are obsessed with culture and politics but also desperate for work). The only way for an activist writer to bypass the executive firewall is to dusguise her retarded story as part of a preexisting popular IP. So gay race communists can only gain access to a big entertainment platform if they wear the skinsuit of something we love.
It's like a machine purpose built to systematically destroy all of our favorite things.
"Mistaking goals for strategy." Executives always want infinite growth but typically have no concrete plan to achieve it. So they're very open to suggestions, and everyone around them, conveniently, is a leftist activist. Because that's who HR has installed everywhere throughout the company. That's why every "plan" proposed to the big wigs is some form of "radically alter your product in order to pursue this (entirely theoretical) untapped market comprised of people who hate your product". And this strategy is often proposed with pure malice because an activist doesn't care if the company is destroyed. She's a gay race communist. If your business can't be made to serve the revolution, then seeing the company implode is a perfectly acceptable plan B.
It's not a hunt, it's a social engineering product. By only producing this garbage you will eventually get a generation who has grown up knowing nothing else and will happily accept it. This is part of the long march through the institutions.
I'm in a few SG fan groups and it's refreshing to see almost a majority of people be glad for this and understand that it would be shit if it were made.
I actually do look forward to a "gritty" slightly more realistic take of SG1 focusing on the military and logistics side of it but I don't see how it would be done well.
I was holding out hope for a while that the actor that played Young Jack in the episode he was cloned would end up playing an older cloned Jack in a new series. He's the right age for it now, and it would be interesting to see another Jack O'Neill who still has all the memories and training and experience of the RDA Jack, but is still a different person from the point he got cloned. It's an interesting way to get a new cast in for a new show, while having a clever way to work in some continuity with the older series, since SG-1 already laid the foundation for it.
And we know Jack was a hobbyist astronomer, so you could have Clone Jack be the scientist of the team instead of a military guy. Maybe after his second chance at high school, he decided to go into science instead of going back into the Air Force a second time. But he could still be involved in action scenes because we know he still has the skills and experience for it. And it would be a funny character thing to have the military members of the team knowing this Jack is a clone of General O'Neill and is way more training with more years of military and gate experience then them, even though this version is a civilians.
There's already an episode from SG1 where he got cloned into a teenager though, and the actor who played teenage clone Jack is the perfect age to play adult jack now though. No need to reinvent the wheel. The original already set it up.
It will, later. They apparently didn't like that this one was trying to be faithful to the originals and appeal primarily to the SG audience instead of the "modern audience".
I watched Universe once. I remember almost nothing of the show now, but at the time I was so fascinated by their choice to make the military commander a complete fuckup. I'd be curious, if I watched it again, to see if that was the intent. I'd be willing to bet it was meant to be a "no right answers" kind of thing, but I distinctly remember him screwing up real obvious calls and not cut out for command, like Gorman in Aliens.
Universe got muddied down for almost the majority of the series, trying to be too much like BSG.
Somewhere towards the end-ish I think of its run? Not sure actually when, but at some point the show actually managed to pitch a really fascinating core premise: That the Discovery's real core mission was to try to investigate what the Ancients had discovered was some kind of pattern embedded into the universe's background radiation, that seemed to be of intelligent design.
Yeah, I think it's fair to say that the biggest "shame" of Universe was that right when it was starting to get some feet and figure out what the fans and audience actually might want, it was canned.
Which is a double edged sword. It absolutely deserved to be canned. It failed to be a good show. But right at the end you could see glimpses of potential that if they stuck with it, maybe they'd have worked out.
That said, I still found it baffling that they killed off all of the Lucien Alliance members, effectively undoing the whole arc of having them on the ship anyway.
I also remember thinking how odd it was that they used the Lucien Alliance as a major plot element there, I guess because I was never really a big fan of them from Stargate SG1. Not that their premise in SG1 was bad, it made sense, but for me, something about their execution was just a bit "meh" from the get-go.
Sort of a side-note, but I have to ask if I'm the only one who thought the young "wiz genius" character in Universe looked a lot like a younger and fatter version of the actor who played Chakotay in Star Trek Voyager?
The Lucien Alliance was definitely poorly handled. I guess the reason they were used was because the goa'uld were pretty much defeated and the replicators make a formidable threat, but not necessarily a nemesis or rival since they lack personality. I think the idea to use them was fine, it was just the execution.
And on that side note, I never really watched Star Trek all that much, and never touched Voyager, but I can see how they look alike. Personally, I didn't hate Eli as a counterpart to Rush. I get that Eli was definitely the audience insert we're meant to align or identify with, but even then, I think he was mostly fine once they moved past the whole swooning for Chloe crap. Just sucks how much time was dedicated to the drama.
Universe fascinated me as a pastiche of the moment it was made. There was the “documentary style” direction (shaky camera, occasionally out of focus) lifted from the BSG reboot. Episodes often ended with slow pans across characters looking pensive while some slow song played, which is how a lot of drama shows ended. Plots were driven by mystery boxes like LOST or Heroes. Requisite LGBT representation.
These days we’d accuse the show of being generated by AI since it was so much NOT its own thing.
It was very BSG-esque and most of the drama was forced and walking on stilts. Particularly the conflict between that military commander and the mad scientist.
This one had some good potential- it wasn't a reboot and the guy behind it worked on all the OG TV shows.
That said he did work on the woke Quantum Leap but I was excited to see this might actually be good. The fact they, the people who greenlit 5 seasons of Rings of Power, cancelled it would hint it was.
I mean the evidence in regards to this project. You can't dismiss THIS PROJECT as that, if anything it was cancelled because they weren't doing the same thing all the other Hollywood IP projects are.
it was cancelled because they weren't doing the same thing
You're almost there. Think it through. So if it hadn't been canceled, what do you think would have been different about it? Have you considered that in order to actually get produced, they would have had to subvert it?
You said it yourself that it was canceled for not fitting the mold of what Hollywood makes. Ergo, Hollywood was never going to make it unless they could fit it into the same mold. Your entire argument only proves my point.
I actually understand what the executives were getting at. As much as Stargate fans want to pretend they're a large group of people, they aren't large enough to justify making the whole show.
Any new show needs to be made such that it has "Stranger Things" potential rather than just reviving an old label and not expanding the fanbase.
What they should have done is set things into the future (maybe 50 years so limited changes to incorporation new sci-fi tech needs to be implemented but long enough all of the original cast is dead). Have backstory that Earth fully sealed and buried the Stargate because of the dangers it posed and because there were increasing leaks to the public such that maintaining secrecy was becoming more difficult. Then start the show off fresh following some civilians around (perhaps teenagers) and make it a coming-of-age mystery sci-fi show because that seems to be what gets all the views. The Stargate itself doesn't even need to be introduced until the end of Season 1 or even the end of Season 2-3 depending on how the initial story transpires. The show should be good enough on its own that no one even necessarily realizes it's Stargate, similar to how people said Andor barely even seemed like a Star Wars show. Then they should call the show something different than Stargate. Stargate has a lot of potential for this too because of the mind control races. Just have some opposing ones end up on Earth, take control of some people, give the kids magic powers, throw in the usual drama, mystery and love-stories as things start to eventually escalate to a point where the Stargate is introduced as a necessity and the kids become the new main group traversing the Stargate.
The idea of let's dust off all the old actors and bring them back for a direct continuation is not really a good idea tbh.
What they should have done is set things into the future
Part of the appeal of Stargate was that it was current day people trying to manage in a universe full of advanced aliens.
Biggest problem with not rebooting is you can't start over like the movie & SG-1 did where they had guns against energy weapons but have to deal with us having advanced spaceships.
The show's lore doesn't make sense to just bury the Stargate as we and the aliens have spaceships and Earth was almost conquered by Apophis because someone tried to shit the program down.
Right, but that was what the 1990s they were in? Setting things 50 years into the future wouldn't change much for the setting. The point is just so the old characters have died of old age or are quite deep into retirement as to go away.
The Apophis threat was ended. There wasn't any immediate danger to Earth. They could cancel it no problem and that's the argument that would have been used and it would have evidently been correct for 50 years as per the show. It's easy to explain to.
I can imagine the Amazon exec getting increasingly frustrated as pitches came to they/them about combatting aliens in the Canadian wilderness instead of focusing on how queer the members of Stargate Command are. Maybe if they’d done a plot about refugees coming through the Stargate to start a new life on Earth and how evil conservatives oppose them. Or the evil system lord Ponald Drumpf and his Magalien army which attacks the capital building.
It wasn't a fat mouthy black lesbian kicking a White man in the crotch for 30 uniterrupted minutes. 0/10.
TBF that was almost literally the first episode with the Tolan.
Ehhhh. A bit more nuanced than that. Parts of the US military there were very eager to exploit the living hell out of the group of Tolan for potential advances in technology. And the Tolan just wanted to figure out a way to get home.
It was more of a typical case of the military being power abusing assholes kind of cliche, not necessarily conservatives.
that episode would be like 5 minutes long of just THUMP THUMP THUMP THUMP THUMP as the unscheduled offworld travelers hit the iris
Almost reads like a Babylon bee title but that is the way modern execs thinks. The people who are actual fans would like this? Gotta get rid of it. Imagine if Rings of Power or Wheel of Time catered to actual fans
They put lib arts grad roasties who hate the fans in charge on purpose.
Yup
There's an unholy union between the executives (who are simultaneously risk-averse and obsessed with growth) and the leftist creatives (who are obsessed with culture and politics but also desperate for work). The only way for an activist writer to bypass the executive firewall is to dusguise her retarded story as part of a preexisting popular IP. So gay race communists can only gain access to a big entertainment platform if they wear the skinsuit of something we love.
It's like a machine purpose built to systematically destroy all of our favorite things.
"Infinite growth" is a way to describe cancer
"Mistaking goals for strategy." Executives always want infinite growth but typically have no concrete plan to achieve it. So they're very open to suggestions, and everyone around them, conveniently, is a leftist activist. Because that's who HR has installed everywhere throughout the company. That's why every "plan" proposed to the big wigs is some form of "radically alter your product in order to pursue this (entirely theoretical) untapped market comprised of people who hate your product". And this strategy is often proposed with pure malice because an activist doesn't care if the company is destroyed. She's a gay race communist. If your business can't be made to serve the revolution, then seeing the company implode is a perfectly acceptable plan B.
It's intentional
lol, thank fuck for that.
And so continues the hunt for the mythical Modern Audience.
It's not a hunt, it's a social engineering product. By only producing this garbage you will eventually get a generation who has grown up knowing nothing else and will happily accept it. This is part of the long march through the institutions.
I'm in a few SG fan groups and it's refreshing to see almost a majority of people be glad for this and understand that it would be shit if it were made.
I actually do look forward to a "gritty" slightly more realistic take of SG1 focusing on the military and logistics side of it but I don't see how it would be done well.
I was holding out hope for a while that the actor that played Young Jack in the episode he was cloned would end up playing an older cloned Jack in a new series. He's the right age for it now, and it would be interesting to see another Jack O'Neill who still has all the memories and training and experience of the RDA Jack, but is still a different person from the point he got cloned. It's an interesting way to get a new cast in for a new show, while having a clever way to work in some continuity with the older series, since SG-1 already laid the foundation for it.
And we know Jack was a hobbyist astronomer, so you could have Clone Jack be the scientist of the team instead of a military guy. Maybe after his second chance at high school, he decided to go into science instead of going back into the Air Force a second time. But he could still be involved in action scenes because we know he still has the skills and experience for it. And it would be a funny character thing to have the military members of the team knowing this Jack is a clone of General O'Neill and is way more training with more years of military and gate experience then them, even though this version is a civilians.
you don't even need to go that far. it's stargate. the ultimate machina.
old jack goes thru gate. stargate magic. young jack comes back thru!
There's already an episode from SG1 where he got cloned into a teenager though, and the actor who played teenage clone Jack is the perfect age to play adult jack now though. No need to reinvent the wheel. The original already set it up.
Thank God, another franchise that won't get ass raped and ruined
Origins already tried that.
It will, later. They apparently didn't like that this one was trying to be faithful to the originals and appeal primarily to the SG audience instead of the "modern audience".
This proves that these people are incapable of giving the fans what they want - by choice.
I actually like stargate, terrible news.
If you like Stargate this isn’t terrible news.
Absolutely fucking this.
I like the Stargate movie.
I like SG-1.
I like Atlantis.
I find Universe mindnumbingly droll for literally being the episode 200 joke about making Stargate 90210 where all the cast are younger and fucking.
I'm never watching Origins.
Unironically how they introduce the main military dude, fucking another character [with massive tits] in a cupboard.
I watched Universe once. I remember almost nothing of the show now, but at the time I was so fascinated by their choice to make the military commander a complete fuckup. I'd be curious, if I watched it again, to see if that was the intent. I'd be willing to bet it was meant to be a "no right answers" kind of thing, but I distinctly remember him screwing up real obvious calls and not cut out for command, like Gorman in Aliens.
Universe got muddied down for almost the majority of the series, trying to be too much like BSG.
Somewhere towards the end-ish I think of its run? Not sure actually when, but at some point the show actually managed to pitch a really fascinating core premise: That the Discovery's real core mission was to try to investigate what the Ancients had discovered was some kind of pattern embedded into the universe's background radiation, that seemed to be of intelligent design.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHmr80Bf0zg
That's the kind of hook that should've been in the show nearly from the start.
Yeah, I think it's fair to say that the biggest "shame" of Universe was that right when it was starting to get some feet and figure out what the fans and audience actually might want, it was canned.
Which is a double edged sword. It absolutely deserved to be canned. It failed to be a good show. But right at the end you could see glimpses of potential that if they stuck with it, maybe they'd have worked out.
That said, I still found it baffling that they killed off all of the Lucien Alliance members, effectively undoing the whole arc of having them on the ship anyway.
I also remember thinking how odd it was that they used the Lucien Alliance as a major plot element there, I guess because I was never really a big fan of them from Stargate SG1. Not that their premise in SG1 was bad, it made sense, but for me, something about their execution was just a bit "meh" from the get-go.
Sort of a side-note, but I have to ask if I'm the only one who thought the young "wiz genius" character in Universe looked a lot like a younger and fatter version of the actor who played Chakotay in Star Trek Voyager?
The Lucien Alliance was definitely poorly handled. I guess the reason they were used was because the goa'uld were pretty much defeated and the replicators make a formidable threat, but not necessarily a nemesis or rival since they lack personality. I think the idea to use them was fine, it was just the execution.
And on that side note, I never really watched Star Trek all that much, and never touched Voyager, but I can see how they look alike. Personally, I didn't hate Eli as a counterpart to Rush. I get that Eli was definitely the audience insert we're meant to align or identify with, but even then, I think he was mostly fine once they moved past the whole swooning for Chloe crap. Just sucks how much time was dedicated to the drama.
Universe fascinated me as a pastiche of the moment it was made. There was the “documentary style” direction (shaky camera, occasionally out of focus) lifted from the BSG reboot. Episodes often ended with slow pans across characters looking pensive while some slow song played, which is how a lot of drama shows ended. Plots were driven by mystery boxes like LOST or Heroes. Requisite LGBT representation. These days we’d accuse the show of being generated by AI since it was so much NOT its own thing.
It was very BSG-esque and most of the drama was forced and walking on stilts. Particularly the conflict between that military commander and the mad scientist.
Origins was actually pretty boring and awful.
Jaffa Kree!
This one had some good potential- it wasn't a reboot and the guy behind it worked on all the OG TV shows.
That said he did work on the woke Quantum Leap but I was excited to see this might actually be good. The fact they, the people who greenlit 5 seasons of Rings of Power, cancelled it would hint it was.
Agree but maybe it's good they didn't get the keys. If hate to see Teal'c in drag.
Indeed.
Read this in his voice lmao. The classic can never be beaten.
He was practically in drag already with that horrendous haircut of his in the later seasons.
It's only terrible news if you were looking forward to the IP being raped and pillaged.
This guy worked on the OG shows, it had the potential to be good.
So did Dr. Who when Moffat and Tenant came back. Look at how that worked out.
And how many of the people involved with that were also involved in this Stargate show? Oh, literally fucking zero?
Scrubs came back and look at how that worked out- it was pretty good!
Y'all are writing this off like it was guaranteed to be woke slop when the evidence we have actually points to the opposite.
No it doesn't. What we do have is a recent history of every major IP being destroyed by Hollywood. A single exception doesn't make that go away.
I mean the evidence in regards to this project. You can't dismiss THIS PROJECT as that, if anything it was cancelled because they weren't doing the same thing all the other Hollywood IP projects are.
You're almost there. Think it through. So if it hadn't been canceled, what do you think would have been different about it? Have you considered that in order to actually get produced, they would have had to subvert it?
You said it yourself that it was canceled for not fitting the mold of what Hollywood makes. Ergo, Hollywood was never going to make it unless they could fit it into the same mold. Your entire argument only proves my point.
It being funded by Amazon is a big neon sign that's hard to ignore, you gotta admit that.
It was cancelled by Amazon for not targeting the "modern audience" enough, that seems hard to ignore.
Sure, it's a good argument
on the one hand, i was kinda looking forward to this
on the other, stargate is the only thing i like that hasn't been ruined by THE MESSAGE
I actually understand what the executives were getting at. As much as Stargate fans want to pretend they're a large group of people, they aren't large enough to justify making the whole show.
Any new show needs to be made such that it has "Stranger Things" potential rather than just reviving an old label and not expanding the fanbase.
What they should have done is set things into the future (maybe 50 years so limited changes to incorporation new sci-fi tech needs to be implemented but long enough all of the original cast is dead). Have backstory that Earth fully sealed and buried the Stargate because of the dangers it posed and because there were increasing leaks to the public such that maintaining secrecy was becoming more difficult. Then start the show off fresh following some civilians around (perhaps teenagers) and make it a coming-of-age mystery sci-fi show because that seems to be what gets all the views. The Stargate itself doesn't even need to be introduced until the end of Season 1 or even the end of Season 2-3 depending on how the initial story transpires. The show should be good enough on its own that no one even necessarily realizes it's Stargate, similar to how people said Andor barely even seemed like a Star Wars show. Then they should call the show something different than Stargate. Stargate has a lot of potential for this too because of the mind control races. Just have some opposing ones end up on Earth, take control of some people, give the kids magic powers, throw in the usual drama, mystery and love-stories as things start to eventually escalate to a point where the Stargate is introduced as a necessity and the kids become the new main group traversing the Stargate.
The idea of let's dust off all the old actors and bring them back for a direct continuation is not really a good idea tbh.
Part of the appeal of Stargate was that it was current day people trying to manage in a universe full of advanced aliens.
Biggest problem with not rebooting is you can't start over like the movie & SG-1 did where they had guns against energy weapons but have to deal with us having advanced spaceships.
The show's lore doesn't make sense to just bury the Stargate as we and the aliens have spaceships and Earth was almost conquered by Apophis because someone tried to shit the program down.
Right, but that was what the 1990s they were in? Setting things 50 years into the future wouldn't change much for the setting. The point is just so the old characters have died of old age or are quite deep into retirement as to go away.
The Apophis threat was ended. There wasn't any immediate danger to Earth. They could cancel it no problem and that's the argument that would have been used and it would have evidently been correct for 50 years as per the show. It's easy to explain to.