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Meh. I enjoy a good comeuppance as much as anyone, but come on. Chess is known for being an activity in which competitors try to fuck with each other and throw opponents off balance.
Also, the sport where major players (Hans Rieman) have been accused of using vibrating anal beads to receive messages from others...
That kid is pretty nuts for an 11 year old. Mine was not so aware to be so insulting at that age!
It isn't even an insult. Woman Grandmaster is a distinct rank made up because chess is sexist or some similar bullshit. It is equivalent to the sexless Master. So the kid is rightly pointing out that she isn't a Grandmaster, shes a lower rank that only women can have which has a similar name.
That's the part many aren't getting. He wasn't being misogynistic or insulting at all but he was being technically correct, something tons of boys his age with a brain often do.
Boys can be surprisingly honest when they don't have mentally-retarding hormones in their system.
Or when they just don't realize yet that they can be severely punished for speaking their mind.
Like... under-12 chessmaster.
EDIT: I think that kid is a "bona-fied" 2300 master, eh? Not in a special category.
Having separate categories for girls is good though. Women's hockey & all that. If they're THAT good they can play the men if they want, there's no "Men's Category" it's open to all.
Straightest chess player
are you pulling my pizzle??
She's not the only one. A couple of male players have been accused of it.
iirc? One got disqualified because the referee could hear the buzzing from his butt area? Might be mistaken.
this is an amazing thread
What kind of messages were they receiving? Were other people watching the game and giving them strategy tips?
Sounds like a pretty shitty "sport"...
Haha, you know, I went out of my way to avoid the term "sport" at first, and then I finally gave up. Yeah, agreed.
Chess is such a shitty boring “sport” (can you even call it that?). Even my boy bobby fischer called it shit after he completely dominated it for years.
It’s honestly unreal how much time and effort people put into playing such a bad game. Mind blowing.
you can make millions if you play competatively
every sport becomes legendary once money and prestiege is involved
also is a White man's game, i'm no pro but i can definitely understand why we dominate it so well
its about predicting your opponent, and reacting to his move, something most brownoids can't possbily do (you know, use their frontal lobe)
Would your opponent have more or less concentration if they hadn't had breakfast this morning?
TOPKEK
And also brings in women wanting their "fair share".
trannies too
the industry is so fcking pozzed that basically every E-sport is filled with them
Sure, but you can make millions doing anything at the top level... So many better things to dedicate your life to IMO.
But it isn't anymore. At the highest levels, you literally just memorize the first half of the game. Then after that you just have the computer tell you the optimal strategies for mid and late game, and memorize those too... Because no human can beat "stockfish" the chess engine, so all the best players just sit there and memorize what the program would do.
At least prior to computers, the chess players would need to actually read chess books and think about the optimal moves themselves, but with computers, that's all sub optimal. Why figure anything out if you can just let the computer do the thinking for you? Because you'll never beat it, and you'll never beat humans that are using it, so you're forced to use it.
Ultimately, it's too simple of a game that chess engines have effectively "solved" it.
I play chess sometimes. Yeah, I don't consider it a sport but the game is complex, and that's why it remains popular to this day. You can play it for your whole life, and still not have mastered all its aspects. Speaking on whether it's a bad game, it isn't; however, some of the rules are dumb, admittedly. Many of them don't make sense. For example, if you trap the king, it's declared a draw. Imagine that -- you have the king completely surrounded, and he can't move, so it's called a draw. What? Bullshit.
There really should be a distinction between Stalemate (board state has not changed for 50 turns) and Stalemate (no valid moves can be made). The former is a standoff with no signs of adjustment, an actual stalemate, while the latter is a loss dressed up as a tie.
Like with most games, it's fun if the people playing it are extremely casual and no one takes it too seriously. As soon as people start to sperg out about the game such that they min/max it and play it to death, it becomes unfun.
Damn, that boy is cold as ice. I love him.
What's with the anti chess garbage in this thread? It's an intellectual pursuit not a Girl, it won't hurt you and it's good for you.
I mean, it's just my opinion. But Bobby Fischer (the greatest player of all time) also thought the game had turned to trash. So I'm essentially sharing his opinion on the matter.
She handled it well. The kid was pretty obnoxious. If the point of the video is to make women look bad, it fails.
Seriously?
The first thing she does is looks under the table as though he was cheating. The second thing she does is ask about his age, as though he's beneath her. Then, after he shows his credentials she decides she needs to one up him.
This would be pathetic if he were a teenager, but the fact that she acts this way towards an 11yo is bitch level 100.
Yeah, he acted like you'd expect an obnoxious kid to act.
She was acted like you'd expect an insecure, obnoxious cunt to act.
Not really, not until she started chirping at least.
An adult pulling the "I'm ranked higher than you" bullshit on a kid absolutely reeks of insecurity. Or pulling it on an adult for that matter.
Let your play speak for itself.
Guys, the chess player is named Dina Belenkaya. She's a streamer. She's just playing a character. It's for the sake of entertainment.
Your captain save-a-hoe indoctrination from the media and academia is showing.
She had every bit of that coming. If you're going to stir the shit, you had better be willing to lick the spoon. If I was his dad, I would be proud as hell. Never tolerate disrespect from some useless cunt.
How did she stir the shit? What did she do that was disrespectful?
That was the bare minimum of decorum for professional chess. They're required to shake hands, say congrats, etc. It's not like say, Yugioh where not shanking your opponent in the parking lot after the game is where the bar sits, or professional VGC Pokemon where comp espionage is so prevalent that some people literally go undercover so their comp isn't suss'ed out before the event.
Chess actually has behavior standards, and she tiptoed the line on it as close as she could manage.
This is wild to me. The kid is incredibly confident--because he can back it up. He knows it going in, she snarks at him, pulling rank, and he rebuffs it. He mops the floor with her, grandmaster notwithstanding.
He then, and this is the special part, tells her a (to him at least) true thing: That someday (after he has ascended even further) he hopes she'll be happy that she had the opportunity to play him. When he was young and small. Because in the future he's going to be big and famous, and he won't have the time, and she won't have the pull, for this match-up to even happen.
He doesn't defer to her womanness or her superior credentials. That's fantastic.
We all talk about what needs to happen to fix the natural relations between men and women in modernity. It's this. It's don't give her a pass when she's being bitchy, don't defer, and don't make yourself small to appease her.
She tries to pull rank by calling herself a Grandmaster after he shows his credentials as a Master. Except, as he points out, shes a Woman Grandmaster, which is an entirely different rank made specifically for women, a rank which is equivalent to the sexless Master rank that the boy holds. If he had a vagina, he would have the same Woman Grandmaster title she does. He's throwing her attempt to shove her rank in his face back in her face. This is an even matchup, and there is no reason for her to act so haughty in the first place.
TL;DR Her credentials aren't actually superior, they are equal to his own.
Objective numbers are sexist, use made up words instead.
All the credentials in the world don't mean a thing after Pe4, eh? 😸
When was she bitchy? When did she ask him to defer? Who asked the kid to be small? You are tilting at windmills
You really can't tell? Like when he says he's a master, and she counters that she's a grandmaster? Or right off the bat when she peeks under the table to see what he's up to? Or starting her interaction with him with "how old are you?" Or when she says she's "still higher than you?"
Brother, for whatever reason you're glazing this chick. He's not. He's doing better than you.
No one is "glazing" anyone. I'm just not some over emotional little boy looking to be offended by human behavior. She looks at his pillow, oh my days, she looked at his pillow. Clearly this bitch needs to be corrected. She asked a child how old he is? Are you serious, the nerve to ask a kid who's playing adults in a tournament his age. He offers his rank unsolicited she responds in kind. And she's in the wrong?
But, it's not just me, several others besides me have pointed out to you what's sitting in front of your face. You're choosing to have a chimp-out over this rather than actually listen and synthesize what's being reported to you. When numerous other people tell you "I see this," your sheer insistence that you're not seeing it doesn't make you right and them wrong, it makes you increasingly more likely to be seeing things (or not seeing them) inaccurately.
She challenged him, he pushed back. That's what happened here. It's not about "wrong," she was swinging dick. I guess that's part of the sport, but you are refusing to see this in her, and assigning all aggression to him.
You're wrong about this. And that's the limit of my interest in this, take it or leave it.
Chimp-out, how? Not agreeing with you isn't a chimp-out. Oh concensus makes any answer the correct one. How did she challenge him? Oh that's right she asked his age, and because that would offend you, you assign her a motive and that's the objective truth.
Her use of an unearned title, Grandmaster, was a power play. He correctly pointed out that her title is actually Woman Grandmaster, which is equal to his own title of Master.
Attempting to one-up an 11 year old with a title you don't even have is some class A bitchy behavior.
He brought up rank unsolicited. She asked how old he was, he responded he was 11 and was a master rank. She said nothing about his rank. So how should she have responded when he brings up his rank?
Something along the lines of "Oh, good job. I'm a grandmaster," would've been nice. Instead she retorts him, saying "And I'm a grandmaster" as response to his "I'm a master." A retort is not friendly conversation. There's nothing friendly in her approach. Everything she says is questioning his right to be there. You can call it ribbing or trash-talk if you like, but the one thing you can't call it (though you seem to be determined to do so) is neutral or friendly.
You really don't see this. Hmm.
After the second watch on the video, it kind of looks like lighthearted trash talk from both of them. She's Slavic, the kid might be too. Their humor is a little dry.
Dina is a Russian chess player and YouTuber. This is her schtick.
IDK how much was staged or scripted? But it's fun.
Speed chess is brutal. You can only go so far with pre-planned, memorized scripts (perfectly legal) and then the shit hits the fan and it's all talent.
That's why computers can win: they play the end-game where the number of outcomes is greatly reduced. They can run random moves 6, 7-8 ahead to see which give better results. Millions of them, some will be better, most will be terrible.
A computer has all the optimal moves already calculated. Chess is a solved game.
No. A solved game means something very specific in Mathematics and AI.
Chess is demonstrabley not solved.
It is however solved from all positions containing 7 or fewer pieces.
Seven pieces each player, or seven total?
Either way yeah we're not even close. Some quick googling shows that even storing all that data would require stupid amounts of storage. Like several quintillion times the amount of all the storage on earth stupid.
I believe it's seven total. The two kings and up to five others.