It's never going to happen. Humans can't survive for long in the radiation outside of the Earth's magnetosphere. To properly shield against it would require literal tons of mass. Every extra pound requires more fuel to lift it, which adds extra pounds, which requires more fuel to lift it, which adds extra pounds...
The only thing we will be sending into space for any stretch of time are robots. We're stuck here.
You're missing the point. We could only get that done with a high-trust, cohesive, ethnically homogeneous society run by high-IQ White men. Those days are over, never to return.
NASA is now just another welfare program for troons, fags and roasties.
I don't think so, I think we'll at least planet hop, especially if we learn how to cryogenically suspend people.
Space is a barrier we HAVE to overcome as so long as we stick with the mindset of 'Earth is the only planet we can have', the current globalist scumbags of the world will ALWAYS have a leash on us.
Because space exploration and exploitation is the OPPOSITE of what they want.
After all their actions I believe this one thing about globalists, they are NOT legacy builders. All their actions seem to be focused on retaining power than passing it on and using scarcity as a weapon. They are the modern vampires.
Now any other empire in history from Greek, Roman, Hun hell even British and a certain Reich would see space if they had the technology to just reach the belt as a perfect conquest. A vast area with an abundance of every resource imaginable and a canvas to build monuments that would be enjoyed for centuries, it's perfect for those that are the opposite of globalists.
What makes you think the current globalist scumbags will be able to stop it? Even the most pure expression of such dedicated effort (North Korea) still has defectors every now and then. The moment privatised space travel takes off is the moment authoritarian freaks will always have to spend extra effort to ignore the fact that they are locked in permament failed/lose status. It will only take one bored billionaire or gorbachev-like figure to become a tiny runaway spark of freedom that will remain forever beyond their grasp much like both Voyagers probes are right now.
It makes me wonder if a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away something like that already happened and the authoritarians left behind got so spiteful that they keep expanding the Bootes Void just to catch up to one such runaway spark of freedom.
Also he’s likely going for what he can achieve in his lifetime. He’s probably taking stock in whether any of his children can be worthy successors and not liking the odds.
This. He thought we'd get to Mars in 10 years. We didn't. He's got a better sense of how things actually move. He wants to see the big step happen, so he's got to pull in the goalposts.
No. It isn't. The delta-v to go back and forth from the moon makes other interplanetary trips more difficult by an unreasonable factor.
Aside from that interplanetary travel is a game of alignment. The best windows to travel to Mars, for example, only open every 2 years for a period of 1 month. Mars spends half it's time on the other side of the Sun. The Moon has zero utility to this problem.
There's no resources there. The day night cycle is 28 days long. There are moonquakes. Moon dust has the same properties as sandpaper.
It's still a decent testbed for the technologies and techniques that would have to be developed. The proximity is a win in that regard. And if you can deal with the quakes and abrasive dust, you'll have habitats that are arguably over-engineered for Mars.
It's like testing in the desert, but you have to prove it can be launched, landed, and deployed in the same run.
I know the Soviets managed to land probes and get a minute or two of data, hell if we could do floating platforms to test the concept, that would open the door to how we could terraform earlier than the time it would take to set anything up on Mars.
Do you see any cities underground? At the bottom of the ocean? Both are 100x more feasible than cities on planets without pre-existing biospheres, ionospheres, etc.
Yep, reminds me of the self-sustaining underground bunker, which was built for about 30 mil. Sounds expensive but it's FAR more luxurious and high-tech than a lot of mansions for the same price:
He's been talking a lot lately about using the moon as a staging area for orbital data centers. Gets around a lot of political barriers and creates a lot of thermal and energy collection efficiencies if you can pull it off.
he's telling a new lie to get it. which he has to do because his current "starship" is a fucking joke, over budget, way behind schedule, de-rated to 1/3 it's original payload capacity, and still melts easily on re-entry.
they were supposed to be doing orbital refueling LAST YEAR.
This is weird. He had to have thought a long time about whether it was more productive to go to the moon first, or to Mars, and he obviously concluded it was better to go to Mars. That was the thinking with a lot of knowledgeable people, as far as I knew. So why the moon now? Because Bezos will likely make it to the moon before he makes it to Mars?
Maybe it's ignorance, but I don't see much, if anything, about these companies getting more into asteroid mining and orbital stations. I understand there are energy issues, would there be legal issues too?
No, it's a more extreme version of Antarctica where no-one owns any celestial body and they all belong to "all of mankind". They've started giving companies mineral rights if they can mine anything, but actual colonisation will make them Earth colonies, not any one country.
I agree. The moment a non-western nation plants their flag on whatever moon/ planet, that treaty isn't the worth the paper nor the ink it's printed on.
Earth, the Moon, Mars is a reasonable power base for mankind over a span of a few hundred years. After that things get real tricky but there’s several moons around to colonize in the outer planets, assuming we can get some solid radiation shielding. After that though, we’re going to need to start messing with fundamental laws that DO NOT like to be messed with to go anywhere else.
I always wondered about this rubbish. Mars has no atmosphere because its magnetic shield deteriorated when the core solidified. It can't sustain an atmosphere. but Musk knows people don't understand this. Maybe his buddy Peter Thiel and Palantir can solve it using biodiesel from dead men.
Space isn't filled with radiation. It's our Sun. You can mostly predict it. The van allen belts are tricky because all the energy directed at Earth is redirected around it. It tends to collect in magnetic pockets.
Outside of that it's not a huge factor.
Your bigger problem is lack of liquid surface tension. It makes it very easy for humans to choke in microgravity environments. Think of the heimleich. You can't do that without body weight created by gravity.
Reasonable, best to set up some kind of infrastructure on the moon first to aid travel later.
I just wonder if we have the wrong path, by that I mean, could we do anything with Venus than focusing on Mars?
Mars is a wasteland but Venus is hell. The Moon isn't any good either, but at least it's close enough that you can go home.
Need to start really getting off world though. Resource extraction alone in space if successfully done would destroy globalism in seconds.
It's never going to happen. Humans can't survive for long in the radiation outside of the Earth's magnetosphere. To properly shield against it would require literal tons of mass. Every extra pound requires more fuel to lift it, which adds extra pounds, which requires more fuel to lift it, which adds extra pounds...
The only thing we will be sending into space for any stretch of time are robots. We're stuck here.
You're missing the point. We could only get that done with a high-trust, cohesive, ethnically homogeneous society run by high-IQ White men. Those days are over, never to return.
NASA is now just another welfare program for troons, fags and roasties.
I don't think so, I think we'll at least planet hop, especially if we learn how to cryogenically suspend people.
Space is a barrier we HAVE to overcome as so long as we stick with the mindset of 'Earth is the only planet we can have', the current globalist scumbags of the world will ALWAYS have a leash on us.
What makes you think the current globalist scumbags of the world won't seize control of space travel, and will allow anyone to leave it?
Because space exploration and exploitation is the OPPOSITE of what they want.
After all their actions I believe this one thing about globalists, they are NOT legacy builders. All their actions seem to be focused on retaining power than passing it on and using scarcity as a weapon. They are the modern vampires.
Now any other empire in history from Greek, Roman, Hun hell even British and a certain Reich would see space if they had the technology to just reach the belt as a perfect conquest. A vast area with an abundance of every resource imaginable and a canvas to build monuments that would be enjoyed for centuries, it's perfect for those that are the opposite of globalists.
They don't even want us leaving our sleep pods to take a walk around our "15 minute smart cities" without permission.
What makes you think the current globalist scumbags will be able to stop it? Even the most pure expression of such dedicated effort (North Korea) still has defectors every now and then. The moment privatised space travel takes off is the moment authoritarian freaks will always have to spend extra effort to ignore the fact that they are locked in permament failed/lose status. It will only take one bored billionaire or gorbachev-like figure to become a tiny runaway spark of freedom that will remain forever beyond their grasp much like both Voyagers probes are right now.
It makes me wonder if a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away something like that already happened and the authoritarians left behind got so spiteful that they keep expanding the Bootes Void just to catch up to one such runaway spark of freedom.
Or maybe I'm just waxing lyrical...
...you realize there is mass there right?
Read The High Frontier by Dr. Gerard O'Neill. All the theoretical work has been done, but The Powers That Be keep trying to squash the execution.
Big if. It's prohibitively expensive.
And ironically, if done would crash the economy.
But since said economy according to a certain blonde idiot justifies not looking into pedo rings, I'm ok with this...
Mars does have water you can use. Although the equipment for that would take a bit
Also he’s likely going for what he can achieve in his lifetime. He’s probably taking stock in whether any of his children can be worthy successors and not liking the odds.
This. He thought we'd get to Mars in 10 years. We didn't. He's got a better sense of how things actually move. He wants to see the big step happen, so he's got to pull in the goalposts.
Oh I recall the Soviet probes, the surface I know is a no go zone, I just wonder in the atmosphere since it has a unique structure.
We basically need to look at options depending on time, as any longer plan increases risk to stall.
Better to spit ball than just rely on the recommended sources, especially Wikipedia.
Besides with robotics and AI, maybe we can find uses for planets we can't inhabit but still exploit.
No. It isn't. The delta-v to go back and forth from the moon makes other interplanetary trips more difficult by an unreasonable factor.
Aside from that interplanetary travel is a game of alignment. The best windows to travel to Mars, for example, only open every 2 years for a period of 1 month. Mars spends half it's time on the other side of the Sun. The Moon has zero utility to this problem.
There's no resources there. The day night cycle is 28 days long. There are moonquakes. Moon dust has the same properties as sandpaper.
You do not want to build anything there.
Worse, asbestos. People laugh at the Cave Johnson bit in Portal 2, but it really is like breathing in tiny, sharp fragments of broken glass.
Earth dust at least has erosion and weathering to round off the edges.
It's still a decent testbed for the technologies and techniques that would have to be developed. The proximity is a win in that regard. And if you can deal with the quakes and abrasive dust, you'll have habitats that are arguably over-engineered for Mars.
It's like testing in the desert, but you have to prove it can be launched, landed, and deployed in the same run.
I know the Soviets managed to land probes and get a minute or two of data, hell if we could do floating platforms to test the concept, that would open the door to how we could terraform earlier than the time it would take to set anything up on Mars.
that's quite an ambitious project JUST to escape niggers...
Sure. Let me know when modules actually start landing.
I really would love to join a lunar of mars colony. Golden age sci fi really got me excited about the possibilities.
Sorry, never going to happen.
Do you see any cities underground? At the bottom of the ocean? Both are 100x more feasible than cities on planets without pre-existing biospheres, ionospheres, etc.
I choose to be optimistic. The universe of golden age sci fi can happen eventually. Perhaps after I’m long gone
Yep, reminds me of the self-sustaining underground bunker, which was built for about 30 mil. Sounds expensive but it's FAR more luxurious and high-tech than a lot of mansions for the same price:
(Hour long tour highlights that a similar base on the moon could definitely work:) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8FO9cMKyOU&pp=ygURMzAgbWlsbGlvbiBidW5rZXI%3D
He's been talking a lot lately about using the moon as a staging area for orbital data centers. Gets around a lot of political barriers and creates a lot of thermal and energy collection efficiencies if you can pull it off.
kek.
he wants money.
he's telling a new lie to get it. which he has to do because his current "starship" is a fucking joke, over budget, way behind schedule, de-rated to 1/3 it's original payload capacity, and still melts easily on re-entry.
they were supposed to be doing orbital refueling LAST YEAR.
he's a fucking clown.
At this point, it's been 55 years. I want someone to go to the Moon again. Anyone. Send a fucking chimp for all I care.
This summer, Will Smith returns...
Musk has said before that a permanent moon manufacturing facility was the first step to Mars.
We’ll see if the moon aliens put up with it.
Are you referring to the moonites? I think we can defeat their Quad Laser
He thought about sending a few jeets and some algae to Mars to start the terraforming process but watched that one anime and realized his mistake.
This is weird. He had to have thought a long time about whether it was more productive to go to the moon first, or to Mars, and he obviously concluded it was better to go to Mars. That was the thinking with a lot of knowledgeable people, as far as I knew. So why the moon now? Because Bezos will likely make it to the moon before he makes it to Mars?
Aka Gamergaters
I don't recall anyone in gamergate offering an opinion on Mars missions
Life isn't going to live in space until we've terraformed some planets over the next couple hundred years.
A more realistic goal is robot "colonies" for extracting resources.
Please get us a picture of the so called flag we left there, the ATV as well. Bet they are gone though
How about the ocean?
Let's get our SeaQuest on
Maybe it's ignorance, but I don't see much, if anything, about these companies getting more into asteroid mining and orbital stations. I understand there are energy issues, would there be legal issues too?
Does someone own the moon?
According to lots of really bad sci-fi I've watched it's filled with Nazis.
No, it's a more extreme version of Antarctica where no-one owns any celestial body and they all belong to "all of mankind". They've started giving companies mineral rights if they can mine anything, but actual colonisation will make them Earth colonies, not any one country.
I agree. The moment a non-western nation plants their flag on whatever moon/ planet, that treaty isn't the worth the paper nor the ink it's printed on.
Earth, the Moon, Mars is a reasonable power base for mankind over a span of a few hundred years. After that things get real tricky but there’s several moons around to colonize in the outer planets, assuming we can get some solid radiation shielding. After that though, we’re going to need to start messing with fundamental laws that DO NOT like to be messed with to go anywhere else.
I always wondered about this rubbish. Mars has no atmosphere because its magnetic shield deteriorated when the core solidified. It can't sustain an atmosphere. but Musk knows people don't understand this. Maybe his buddy Peter Thiel and Palantir can solve it using biodiesel from dead men.
just for fun, if there was a fully functioning moon city, would you move there?
Only so I could throw rocks at John Flynt.
No, because it would be death. Low-g is very hazardous to the human body.
The radiation in space is even more hazardous.
Space isn't filled with radiation. It's our Sun. You can mostly predict it. The van allen belts are tricky because all the energy directed at Earth is redirected around it. It tends to collect in magnetic pockets.
Outside of that it's not a huge factor.
Your bigger problem is lack of liquid surface tension. It makes it very easy for humans to choke in microgravity environments. Think of the heimleich. You can't do that without body weight created by gravity.
Think direct ultraviolet that we're protected from on Earth. You'd basically have to live in a submarine 24/7.
UV is relatively easy to filter. We already need to do space walks and that's why there's a layer of gold mylar on the visor.
Flat Earthers getting closer to being right... damn...
What do you mean closer, globehead
1 + Infinity closer ofc
Mars is a shit hole and anyone with any real knowledge of astronomy and physics would tell you it's a stupid plan to colonize mars.
Right now it does just have broke down cars on it
https://imgur.com/a/3CYUomU
Further evidence of the quality of formal education.
Melon dust lies to prop up stocks. Propaganda.
Imagine believing in a psycho manipulator liar. People are so fool and dumb.